Panorama “Crime Wave” Transcript BBC1 6th Feb 2005

This BBC Panorama “Crime Wave” transcript is valuable. It is about William Goad, a serial child rapist and the effects his sexual abuse had on the victims, many in Plymouth where he abused hundreds of children. It is available here [53] or below.

Other links are BBC Comments on the programme [2] and BBC articles A one-man crime wave? [3]  BBC Panorama Crime Wave [5]  and A letter from William Goad [4]

NB: THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM A TRANSCRIPTION UNIT RECORDING AND NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT: BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF MIS-HEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY, IN SOME CASES OF IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS, THE BBC CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS ACCURACY.
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PANORAMA

CRIME WAVE
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC-1 DATE: 6:02:05
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IAN GIBBONS: Common assault on an adult so ABH, GBH, section two violent disorder.

RAY ZOLLA: I’ve been found guilty of burglary, theft, blackmail, violence…

PAUL WYATT: GBH, I took 34 square centimetres of flesh from someone’s face and neck after biting them in a frenzy.

BETSAN POWYS: Why do some young men commit so much crime? A recent case encouraged a judge to speak out about one possible cause.

JUDGE TAYLOR: I recognised a lot of faces that had been before me again, and again, and again. It just brought it home with raw simplicity why they were there, why they had been in the dock and why they came back again and again.

POWYS: Tonight Panorama uncovers the grim legacy of one man’s crimes, and reveals the hidden story behind a city’s crime figures.

Home Park in Plymouth and a good crowd has turned out to watch Argyle. They’re one nil down and some are losing patience. Ian Gibbons has been thrown off the terraces more than once. His aggressive behaviour tonight is about to earn him another ban. But he’s used to trouble. Ian has been in and out of the city’s police cells for years.

IAN GIBBONS
I became a drug addict, I became a smack head, as you call it, and just.. some people just used to look at and just dislike me because I was on drugs, or dislike me because of the things I used to be like, because I didn’t used to be a very nice person.

POWYS: Plymouth has its fair share of trouble. The city centre with its long strip of pubs and clubs is a hot spot for boozing and brawling. But Ian is one of the hard core of prolific offenders. The police even considered applying to ban him from the city centre after one punch up too many.

IAN: Some of the things I do are crazy – as some of my mates call me – crazy. But it’s just.. don’t know, part of my brain’s missing I suppose cos I just don’t think, and then the next day I wake up and I think oh my god, I can’t believe I’ve done that.

LYN MCDONALD
Ian was absolutely a smasher. He really was. He had these big brown eyes, absolutely and he’d look at you like this. You’d give him actually anything. He was a lovely boy, absolutely wonderful.

POWYS: And did you see him change?

LYN: Yes, I’ve seen quite a few of them change, from lovely boys to.. well criminals, there’s nothing else you can say.

POWYS: Lynne McDonald watched as her own son, Phillip, Ian’s best friend, followed the same path.

LYN: Started stealing from shops, got expelled from school, got into a lot of car crime, drugs, it just went really from bad to worse… bad to worse, and I didn’t know the reason why.

POWYS: Home for Ian is a one bedroom flat in the city centre. At 28 he spends his life in and out of psychiatric institutions and gaol. Things went wrong when he was 9. His medical records reveal a boy who became aggressive, uncontrollable, unhappy. By 12 he was on heroin, in care and sent away to boarding school. In trouble ever since. He’s just been thrown out by his girlfriend and now relies on prescription pills to manage his days and a chaotic life.

IAN: Diazepam is an antidepressant, I’ve been on them for years, at the doctor’s and stuff, since I was 14. I take it as soon as I get up because if I don’t take them when I get up then I just don’t feel like getting up. I just feel like a hit.

POWYS: Another Plymouth boy has spent years destroying himself and others. Ray Zola went off the rails early. He was a teenage binge drinker who became an alcoholic and a serial offender. He’s been inside five times, one a five year stretch. Now 42 he’s twice divorced, his children in foster care.

RAY ZOLLA: I was addicted to valium, that was the classic western heroin to be on and it changes your moods, makes you very aggressive, especially mixed with alcohol, and I was doing that and I would get into fights quite easily, and that got me quite a reputation within the city.

POWYS: Growing up in Plymouth Paul Wyatt was in his element. He was doing well in school and had ambitions to join the forces like his dad. But for him too, something happened that put paid to those plans.

PAUL WYATT
From the age of 13 my behaviour changed rapidly. I was in trouble at school, I was kicked out of most of my lessons. I was getting in trouble with the police regularly. I was sniffing butane and glue. My mother found me collapsed in a bedroom once through taking too much butane. At the age of 15 ½ I left home, just packed my stuff and left.

POWYS: Between them Ian, Ray and Paul have committed nearly 150 offences. Their story a destructive cycle of drugs and crime is one that’s heard over and again in the local courts.

Judge WILLIAM TAYLOR
Recorder of Plymouth
They have a hopeless existence going from day to day, drug to drug, and that’s all they care about – oblivion. They have no job, they know nothing other than to steal, they have nothing to look forward to, nothing.

POWYS: And was it quite striking for you to discover that there was one common story that linked many of these men together?

JUDGE TAYLOR: Yes.

POWYS: The common link was this man, Bill Goad, a local businessman and millionaire. Last October he was sentenced to life in prison after four decades of offences against children.

GOAD: [in the market place] Forget the £2, that’s the price of stolen property. Stolen property – mind your business. It’s not stolen, just not paid for.

POWYS: Goad made his money the hard way. His upbringing in 60s Plymouth had been tough but armed with the gift of the gab and a pitch at the outdoor market, he was a man with big ideas.

GOAD: Don’t worry about the money.

BILL GOAD
Interviewed in 1976
In Plymouth I am not interested in having a market here just once a year. What I’m interested in doing in Plymouth is to have a permanent open air market run by the council.

POWYS: By the 80s the cash was flowing and Goad was moving on. He leased warehouses and opened Pan Shops, Barbican Discounts was a big draw for families on a tight budget and for young boys on the lookout for Saturday jobs and extra pocket money.

PAUL: I idolised him, I really did idolise him, the same as everybody else did really. He used to take us
out to top restaurants, buy us meals and buy us clothes. If we needed anything else all we had to do was ask
for it and it was always there.

POWYS: You say “us” who is us?

PAUL: The other boys that were working for him as well at the time.

POWYS: Lots of boys?

PAUL: Yeah.. yeah.

POWYS: Goad’s former home overlooked a school playing field. Boys were always welcome and indulged. There were computer games and a pool table, snacks and petty cash, anything they wanted. But what Goad wanted were boys to sexually abuse, some as young as 8, others just turned teenagers.

PAUL: Once the abuse had started, it was into a pattern, it could happen anything up to three or four times a week, and that went on until I was 15 ½.

POWYS: What sort of places?

PAUL: It could be an office, a warehouse floor, in his car, in the back of a lorry, in a hotel. It progressed from touching me to actually touching him, to masturbating him to committing oral sex on him.

POWYS: Goad made sure of the boys’ silence with fear. Treats soon turned to threats. There was talk of beatings and guns, and he passed them on to other paedophiles who like him routinely abused boys.

RAY: There was alcohol and he poured scotch down my throat, and there was other men present this time, laughing and joking. I was an object, and I was raped by all of them.

PAUL: We were led to believe all the young lads that were working and that he was a very powerful man, he had contacts all over the country and we were actually aware because he told us that if ever we told anybody.. I mean in my case he threatened to drive up on the pavement in a lorry and run me and my mother down if I ever told anybody.

POWYS: Ian Gibbons was 8 when he was first raped by Bill Goad.

IAN: I remember the smell. I remember what he made me do. I remember everything. (vomiting)

Judge WILLIAM TAYLOR
Recorder of Plymouth
The youngsters have real pain emotionally as to know how to deal with it and most can’t. They don’t want to remember it. They feel dirty, degraded and what to put it firmly behind them. They find it impossible to have a relationship with a girl, a meaningful one, or friendship with a boy. They have to learn all over again what it means to trust somebody.

POWYS: Years went by before Goad’s victims found they could talk to anyone. In the end the serious drug habit led several victims to one of the city’s most experienced drugs counsellors. It was only when he noticed they’d gone off the rails as children and asked why, that the harrowing stories of four decades of abuse emerged. Phil Wilson encouraged his clients to speak out and give evidence against Goad.

PHIL WILSON
Drugs Counsellor
They didn’t see much of a future, thought they were very worthless, and actually didn’t see anywhere that they could go, and I suppose it very much was in a circle of crime, drugs and a lot of them used the drugs in order to self-medicate, the memories of what had taken place because it was too awful to think about.

POWYS: One of those who did make a statement to the police in late 1997 was Ray Zolla. Spelling out the full horror of Goad’s abuse was hard. But then came nothing, no major inquiry or news of an arrest, no support for the victims. As months went by, there was no sign Devon and Cornwall Police had grasped the scale of Bill Goad’s abuse.

RAY: After giving interviews for about two or three days, 13, 14 pages long statements, I was just left cold, that was it, nothing. It was: “Right, okay Ray” boomph… “Bye”. No follow up, no counselling, no victim support, no nothing, and I really couldn’t get to grips with everything. I felt totally isolated, I had no one around. I’d just had a broken down marriage and I’d lost my family and lost everything at this point, and I was on a bit of a rocky road to say the least. So I wanted to take my life big time and I jumped off
Portland Cliffs, Weymouth, which are quite high, about 139 feet by last estimate, and I broke my back in a couple of places and survived.

POWYS: Not all of Bill Goad’s victims did survive. On Christmas day 1998 Phillip Egar took a heroin overdose. It was a few months after he too had given a statement to the police.

How old was he?

LYN: 28… just 28, and he’s gone, he’s gone forever, and that man’s taken his life away, not just his life, my life as well because my life will never be the same, never. Bill Goad’s to blame as he killed my son. He killed my son a long time ago… a long time ago.

POWYS: For years a single detective from general CID ploughed on, struggling to gather evidence against Goad. There was little urgency, little progress. It was only when a specialist child protection team was brought in, experts in dealing with vulnerable witnesses that the police turned the tied on years of failure.
Gaining trust, persuading wary drug addicts and criminals that the police would listen to male victims of sex crimes wasn’t easy. Some, like Danny Salmon, made unlikely witnesses.

Police Video Interview

DANNY SALMON
I didn’t think I’d have turned into a criminal and spent fucking most of my time in gaol, do you know what I mean, I didn’t… I’m just a fucking nervous wreck still, do you know what I mean? It’s fucking out of order. It is, all because of that prick as well.

DC Shirley Thompson
Child Protection Team
As the adults they are now, they would think like an adult, so then have difficulty in understanding how this could have happened, but they weren’t thinking.. you know.. as the boy they were. So there was a lot of guilt and anxiety and fear.

Reconstruction

DANNY SALMON
I was taken down there the first time by someone that actually introduced me to him and got paid £50 for introducing him to me where I was raped and then he was paid £50. I had a tenner shoved in my mouth and… “You tell anyone, everyone’s going to think you’re gay, everyone’s going to call you a coyer, no one will believe you.

DC JOHN LIVINGSTONE
Child Protection Team
A lot of people that we approached said that they weren’t victims, although we knew from other people that they were victims, but you can’t blame them for not coming forward. They’ve got a new life, moved on in life and it was something they didn’t want to bring up.

4th October 2004
NEWS
A Plymouth businessman described in court as Britain’s most prolific paedophile was today gaoled for life.
William Goad once boasted of his serious sexual abuse dating back 40 years.

POWYS: In all, 17 victims agreed to testify against Goad. Faced with their evidence, he pleaded guilty to 14 specimen charges of rape, buggery and indecent assault. Sentencing him the judge said that in Goad’s case life could well mean life.

That day in court must have been very emotional.

Judge WILLIAM TAYLOR
Recorder of Plymouth
It was because I recognised a lot of faces that had been before me again, and again, and again.

POWYS: You saw them in the gallery.

TAYLOR: Yes.

POWYS: What did that tell you?

TAYLOR: Why they were there, why they had been in the dock and why they came back again and again.

POWYS: No one can say how many of the boys Goad abused would have gone on to offend anyway, but with the exception of one minor charge, none of the witnesses had a record before the abuse, neither Ian, Ray or Paul had ever offended. Goad had been through the courts three times in the 70s and 80s, but though found guilty, the police only scratched the surface with the easier option of indecency charges. Goad was never gaoled.

PHIL WILSON
Drugs Counsellor
That’s the frightening thing about the whole Bill Goad case, it’s about decades of abuse. Surely people must have known about him, about the market, about young boys working at the market and it’s about young boys who were vulnerable, boys that were in care, and boys that were using drugs. But it’s like no one seemed to raise any awareness and it just became almost accepted.

POWYS: Nowhere was that failure to act more acute than in the care system. Until 1998 that system was the responsibility of Devon Social Services. It’s now in the hands of Plymouth City Council. Of the men who’d given statements to the police, a third had contact with the care system as boys. Ian Gibbons was one. Raped at 8, as a 9 year old he was out of control, put in care and sent to a boarding school. Goad would turn up to see him, posing as his uncle. Could no one have seen the signs Ian was being abused?

IAN: I’ve lost so many years of my life that I can’t remember. I need to, because I need to remember some of those years. I need to try and get some of it back. I’d like to know why they never done nothing. I’d like to know why they never said anything.

POWYS: Plymouth Social Services hold copies of Ian’s files. He’s asked if he can see them to find out whether anything could have been done to stop the years of abuse. Had the care system sat on information it could have given to the police? Today Ian gets to see his records for the first time.

“His mum… ”

IAN: “…phoned last night, Ian was really pleased. Been keen to go home. Said that Ian talked a lot about a man called Bill who owns Barbican Discounts saying Bill is a millionaire and will give him money or anything else he wants. Thought this was worrying.” I can’t read that. What does it say?

POWYS: “I agreed and..”

IAN: “.. said I’d try and find out who he was. Bill Goad (sexual offender)” in brackets.

POWYS: So they did find out who he was then.

IAN: “Seeing Ian’s parents tomorrow with a view to arranging Ian’s return home on Thursday am.” (emotional) “Will see again tomorrow after 3.30.” They were going to send me home. (breaks down crying)

POWYS: Is it seeing his name, Ian, or is it knowing that they knew who he was.

IAN: It’s seeing his name, it’s seeing it in the words that they’ve said, they were seeing my parents with a view to “arranging Ian’s return home” and yet I never returned home. “When I came pick Ian up at 12.30 I was informed Bill Goad had just left the home giving Ian £5.”

POWYS: Ian was still only 12. He was allowed home occasionally and his mother had reported Goad was giving him pocket money. Ian’s social workers now knew Goad was a sex offender.

IAN: “…Mrs Gibbons was told that Mr Goad had been in prison for sexual offences against children.” It’s not being worried by it. (crying) She knew all the way fucking through, she fucking knew. (sobbing)

POWYS: Ian’s mother had clearly been told by social workers that Bill Goad posed a risk of harm to her son. But there’s no note that Social Services passed on that same concern to the police. Even in the 1980s there was a clear duty on social workers to report to police if a child was at risk.

JOHN BAKER
Director of Social Services
Plymouth City Council
With regard to William Goad I don’t know whether any call was placed to the police, certainly the file doesn’t indicate that there was.

POWYS: It should have been, shouldn’t it, in retrospect?

BAKER: Yes.

POWYS: Can you explain why it wasn’t to Ian?

BAKER: I can’t, no. I’ve looked at the file and certainly I would expect a call to have been made. This was some time ago and unfortunately I don’t have an explanation for that.

POWYS: It was a mistake?

BAKER: Yes.

POWYS: Finding out that something could have been done but wasn’t has been tough on Ian. Afraid he’ll slide back into taking drugs he’s putting himself in the care of the local psychiatric unit.

IAN: I’m going back to the Glenbourne Unit, Psychiatric Unit, after I admitted myself here on Saturday. I’ve been home to get some stuff, put myself in here because my head just got scrambled, just everything came back up and reading what I’ve read just too much, it’s just.. I just want to get myself sorted out, just going into rehab and come out clean.

POWYS: But Ian wasn’t the only one of Goad’s victims let down by the care system. Panorama has seen evidence of a pattern of failure to bring Goad to the attention of the police, a pattern that let a dangerous paedophile off the hook, that allowed him to carry on raping and threatening boys for decades. Goad – or ‘Billy’ as he was known – was always on the road, travelling far and wide to buy stock. He took favourite boys on trips to Birmingham and Manchester, abusing them in lay-bys and hotels. He even used boys he’d
corrupted to lure children off the street.

RAY: There was this other lad, with blondish hair, a lot like me, and he came back to the van on the pretext of helping him load up the van and that, he’d met Goad and Billy’s taken over. Next thing you know he’s told me to F off round the front of the wagon where he raped the other boy in the back, and just left him on the side of the road.

POWYS: Do you know that he raped him?

MAN: Yes.

Reconstruction

POWYS: The abuse Bill Goad inflicted on Ray Zola was particularly brutal. He was handed around to other men, a group of paedophiles associated with Goad. Some of those men were named to the police during the inquiry. Ray named one when he made his statement 7 years ago. A friend of Goad’s from the market he knew as ‘Bob’.

RAY: I’ve told police about Bob and I’ve given indications of where he lived, where he worked in the market.. the market stalls, what car he used to drive.

POWYS: What were you told by the police when you mentioned Bob’s name?

RAY: I was told that it wouldn’t carry on, they couldn’t.. they didn’t have the resources or the manpower and that to carry on the investigation, it had to stop somewhere to get this conviction against Goad.

POWYS: The police would say they have to draw a line somewhere.

RAY: How can you draw a line against child abuse? You can’t draw a line against child abuse, you’ve got to protect the children, and the only way you’re going to protect them is by a proper investigation.

POWYS: We checked the street in Plymouth where Ray told the police his abuser Bob lived. A Robert did live there. Newspaper cuttings told us more. The same Robert wasn’t only a sex offender, he knew Bill Goad. They’d faced the same indecency charges in 1980 where Robert was known to his victim as Bob. But the police say they weren’t able to identify a suspect.

DCI MICHELE SLEVIN
Senior Investigating Officer Goad Case
We did investigate fully but we haven’t got to the extent or as far in our investigations as you’ve got. Obviously we can take that further and any investigations can go forward now.

POWYS: But he says he gave the same information, the name Bob, where he used to work, and the street he thought where he lived.

SLEVIN: And all I’m saying is, (laughs) that the investigations, as far as I was aware, because I wasn’t in charge of that investigation, was taken as far as it could be, so therefore, as you say, if the street was given, then we would have identified him, so I can only believe that we weren’t given that information.

POWYS: So you didn’t identify Bob.

SLEVIN: No, we didn’t.

POWYS: But those working in child protection say it’s still not a priority. It’s drugs and burglaries that bother the public. That’s where the government sets targets, where the money is spent. Until the hidden cost of child abuse is recognised, the crime wave caused by men like Goad and protecting children will never top the list.

DC JOHN LIVINGSTONE
Child Protection Team
Until more resources are put into child protection issues, then there will always be people that are out there abusing children and people like Bob, whoever Bob is, will get away with it.

POWYS: So are there still people out there who abused boys, who abused these boys, who these boys have named but who haven’t been questioned?

DC SHIRLEY THOMPSON
Child Protection Team
Yeah.

POWYS: That’s quite an admission, isn’t it.

THOMPSON: Yeah.

POWYS: One of those men has moved to France. We’ve discovered he’s one of three alleged abusers
named in the Goad inquiry. The Devon and Cornwall Police did not investigate. Danny Salmon was a key witness against Bill Goad, but he’s also one of several boys who’ve named another man, a paedophile with a long record called Eddie Pratt.

DANNY: He was present on more than one occasion when I was raped by Goad. I was present when he actually raped someone in Goad’s warehouse.

POWYS: You’re sure of that?

DANNY: Yeah, I’m sure of that. I even can remember him screaming and crying and then the bag over his head, and then bending him over and…

POWYS: What bag was this?

DANNY: They used to have money bags, used to have yellow money bag for tying people’s hands up, the red bag would either go over the head or in the mouth.

POWYS: Danny agreed to come with us to France to do what the police still hadn’t done. Find and question Eddie Pratt.

DANNY: I told the police officer about Pratt but at that time they needed to focus on Goad.

POWYS: Is that what they told you, that they wouldn’t be looking into Eddie Pratt because they had to concentrate on Goad?

DANNY: They needed to concentrate on Goad…

POWYS: But they’d come back to the others named later.

DANNY: Yeah.

POWYS: But the police never did trace Eddie Pratt. It took us less than a day to find a man of the same name running a bar in Brittany.

Reconstruction

The license here is held by Eddie Pratt. That means French police have a note of his name, and if it’s the right man, they’ll know of his record.

EDDIE PRATT: [behind the bar] I have a neighbour two doors down from here and he told me bluntly: “Go back to England, I’d sooner have the Germans here.”

POWYS: But is this the man Danny Salmon accuses of rape in his police statement? Danny hasn’t seen him for 18 years.

DANNY: Pratt?

POWYS: He told us he’d lost a lot of money and needed to start over again.

DANNY: Right, not that he was raping and abusing kids and things was probably getting hot for him, he had to disappear – no?

POWYS: The next day we went back to the bar, we wanted to ask Eddie Pratt whether he’s even been questioned by police about Danny’s allegations of rape.

Secret filming

Are you aware that allegations have been made against you during the inquiry into Bill Goad, very serious allegations?

PRATT: Oh really?

POWYS: Yes.

PRATT: No, I’m not aware of that, no.

POWYS: There’s certainly.. there’s one witness in the case against Bill Goad who says that you were there, you were there in the room when he was raped by Bill Goad.

PRATT: Oh really? Well, let’s put it this way. If that is the case, yes, umm… it’s possible I might have been here in France because I’ve been here for 18 years.

POWYS: No, no, this is before you came to France.

PRATT: Before I came to France?

POWYS: This is when he was a little boy, he was certainly under 13.

PRATT: Well, I have never…

POWYS: And he says that when he was being raped by Bill Goad, he looked up and he saw you and you were there and you….

PRATT: That is a load of lies.

POWYS: He also says that on another occasion, in fact he refers to a few occasions, that you raped his friend.

PRATT: Just excuse me a moment. (calling out) Alfi would you like to come down please. Right now I’ll tell you what, all I can tell you is I’ve been back to England, I go back to England two or three times a year, yeah, on many occasions, yeah, I’m sure that if there were any allegations being made against me by now the police would have arrested me and they would have discussed the matter with me.

POWYS: Is that what you would expect, if an allegation had been made in a statement?

PRATT: I would have thought so, yes.

DCI MICHELE SLEVIN
Senior Investigating Officer Goad Case
All allegations that were made to us as part and parcel of this were investigated to as far as we could take them. If those people weren’t identified or couldn’t be traced, it doesn’t mean to say that the investigation is completed or forgotten about, it’s just the fact that those people have not been arrested yet.

POWYS: Are you saying you couldn’t trace the man in France whose full name you were given?

SLEVIN: As I say, from the information that we had, we were aware that somebody was in France but no we haven’t traced him.

POWYS: How could you not have traced him? We did it very quickly. Why haven’t you talked to him?

SLEVIN: As I say, from my… my records, we haven’t traced him, so therefore we haven’t spoken to him. Since this inquiry and your investigations have identified where he’s living, we are making arrangements to progress the inquiry.

PRATT: If I see this in the newspapers in England I personally will bloody well sue you.

POWYS: A few days after our visit Eddie Pratt phoned Devon and Cornwall Police. If they had questions for him, he said, then they should come out to France to see him.

12th January 2005

Last month Bill Goad’s case came to the Court of Appeal. Though he was sent to prison for life, he was told he could ask for parole after just six years. The Prosecution thought that was too soon. But their appeal failed. Goad may have to serve his full life sentence, but for his victims ‘may’ isn’t good enough.

Can we ask you all what you made of what you heard this morning?

DANNY: I’ve been robbed of my life, right, and I thought that the bloke that robbed me of my life was spending life in prison. I’ve just been told that even though my life has been stolen, I ain’t got a life, he can have his life back.

DC SHIRLEY THOMPSON
Child Protection Team
I just sincerely hope that life, as Judge Taylor said, will.. may and hopefully will mean just that.

POWYS: Should it?

THOMPSON: In this case I think it definitely should. I can’t see that he would ever not be a risk to children.

POWYS: Are we tough enough on child abusers?

Judge WILLIAM TAYLOR Recorder of Plymouth
I like to think so. I like to think so.

POWYS: Because the consequences of their crimes are so clear to you?

TAYLOR: The consequences of child abuse are as a clear scar in the mind as a scar on the side of the face. It’s there forever.

POWYS: Days later Panorama received a long letter from Parkhurst Prison. Remarkably Bill Goad told us he too thought he’d been treated leniently, let off with a fairly short tariff. His so-called victims, as he put it, had exaggerated and lied solely in the hope of claiming compensation. And by the 90s Goad was a rich man. He was a joint owner of a huge indoor market in Cornwall. The business is worth several million.
He knew his share would be at risk if he was arrested and ordered to compensate his victims. In 1998 he fled abroad. With a false passport Goad set about hiding not just himself but his assets too. He was now wanted for questioning.

Secret filming

But when police approached Ken Gorvin, associate and business partner of over 30 years, he couldn’t help.

Did he ever offer you any help to tell you where Mr Goad was?

SLEVIN: Certainly no information came to us to indicate where he was.

POWYS: So there was no information from Mr Govin that “Yes, I know where he is and this is where he is”?

SLEVIN: No.

POWYS: What police didn’t know was that the two men were in contact. In October 1999, while he was on the run, Goad travelled to Spain to meet Gorvin. There they struck a deal. What exactly they agreed isn’t known, but what is clear from the company documents is that Bill Goad resigned from the business and transferred his shares. Ken Gorvin became the sole director of a new company in which he and his family hold all the shares. In 2003 Goad ventured back to the UK and stayed at this hotel on the outskirts of Plymouth, he was caught and arrested on his way back from a meeting with Gorvin and lawyers to discuss the Cornish market’s trading hours. It was then police found out Goad was booked into the hotel under his false identity.

He was booked in under the alias.

SLEVIN: Yes.

POWYS: What name was given?

SLEVIN: The name of Gorvin was used to confirm the booking.

POWYS: So the name of Ken Gorvin was used.

SLEVIN: And to confirm the credit card booking, yes.

POWYS: Was it paid by credit card, cash? How was it paid for?

SLEVIN: It was by credit card in the name of Gorvin.

Secret filming

POWYS: Mr Gorvin declined to answer our questions saying we were acting maliciously. We wanted to ask if he knew of Goad’s false identity and how the business assets had been dispersed. At Goad’s sentencing the court heard that his money from the deal must have been secreted or hidden, and that as a result, there was nothing left to compensate the victims. Most of those victims can’t sue Goad either. The law says victims of abuse have to sue within six years of turning 18. For Ian Gibbons it’s too late, he’s too old, and he’s been warned his record may put off the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority. They make awards to victims of violent crime, but not always if they themselves have gone on to  offend.

HOWARD WEBBER
Chief Executive, Criminal Injuries
Compensation Authority
The view of the government has been, for more than 40 years since the scheme has been set up, that people with a serious criminal record should be refused compensation unless there are good mitigating circumstances.

POWYS: If you’re raped as an 8 year old boy, is that a good mitigating circumstance?

WEBBER: It certainly can be. We know of course that sex abuse in childhood can have horrible psychological effects and among those effects can be to lead the victim into a criminal lifestyle and that’s something we would certainly take account of in any application. Obviously I can’t comment on any individual case.

POWYS: The news, when it comes, from the CICA is as bad as it gets. Ian’s violent record has gone against him, he gets nothing.

IAN: Well it’s bollocks really, it makes me less of a victim because I’ve got a criminal record – not at all and it is bollocks. Well it’s stupid, I get punished twice.. well, my criminal convictions didn’t start until after the abuse. I mean whether I’d have ended up in trouble or not I don’t know. I’ll never know will I, because I’ve no fucking choice. What if he had never abused me, what if I had stayed at home, what if fucking people had done their jobs properly and maybe it never fucking happened – civil services, police all
of them, and now they’re going to fucking punish me again because I’ve got a criminal record. I think they punished me fucking enough… for fucks sake.

POWYS: Ian will appeal against the CICA’s decision.

IAN: Bollocks to them, fuck it.

Reconstruction

POWYS: A dangerous paedophile is in prison but the hurt and damage he caused has not been confined.

If you want to comment on tonight’s programme them contact our website. Next week the campaign to tackle bullying in schools. Celebrities signed up, money poured in, but bullying still makes life miserable for thousands. Now bullies and their victims tell Panorama why bullies win.

If you’ve been affected by tonight’s programme and would like support, the call the BBC action line on 08000 566 065. Lines are open seven days a week from 7.30am till midnight. All calls are free and confidential.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/panorama

CREDITS

Reporter
BETSAN POWYS

Camera
MARC PERKINS
DON SLATER

Sound
JOHN McGUFFOG

Online Editor
BOYD NAGLE

Dubbing Mixer
Rowan Jennings

Production Co-ordinators
KAREN SADLER
JO WADE

Web Producer
ALEX MURRAY

Research
KATHLYN POSNER

Graphic Design
DIMITRI KEVGAS

Post Production Co-ordinator
LIBBY HAND

Production Manager
GINNY WILLIAMS

Production Executive
EMANUELE PASQUALE

Film Editor
SIMON THORNE

Assistant Producer
PATRICK BARRIE

Producer
STEPHEN SCOTT

Deputy Editor
ANDREW BELL
FRANK SIMMONDS

Editor
MIKE ROBINSON

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Transcribed by 1-Stop Express, 3 Southwick Mews, London W2 1JG Email: panorama@bbc.co.uk

Other links are BBC Comments on the programme [2] and BBC articles A one-man crime wave? [3]  BBC Panorama Crime Wave [5]  and A letter from William Goad [4]

Please note that victims of abuse may be triggered by reading this information. The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.  National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups. Other useful sites are One in Four [C]  and Havoca [D]. Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog. Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.

Links

[1] 2005 Feb 6 BBC Panorama http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/crimewave.txt

[2] 2005 Feb 10 BBC Comments http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4241239.stm

[3]  2005 Feb 4 BBC A one-man crime wave? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4237355.stm

[4] 2005 Feb 6 BBC  A letter from William Goad http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4241345.stm

[5]  2005 Feb 7 BBC Panorama Crime Wave http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4225827.stm

[A] Sanctuary for the Abused http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.co.uk/2006/07/for-survivors-coping-with-triggers-if.html

[B] NAPAC http://www.napac.org.uk/

[C] One in Four http://www.oneinfour.org.uk/

[D] Havoca http://www.havoca.org/HAVOCA_home.htm

[E] SurvivorsJustice Triggers post http://survivorsjustice.com/2014/02/26/triggers-what-are-they-and-how-do-we-work-through-them/

[F] SurvivorsJustice Blog http://survivorsjustice.com/

[G] Jim Hopper Mindfulness http://www.jimhopper.com/mindfulness/

[H] Jim Hopper Meditation http://www.jimhopper.com/mindfulness/#cultivate

This is all written in good faith but if there is anything that needs to be corrected please email cathyfox@bigfoot.com

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