Svali Speaks

Posted on 2022, February, 23 by cathy fox blog on Child Abuse

This is a very rare interview with Svali, the first I am aware of since she recovered deeper memories of Jesuit programming, rather than just regional Illuminati programming.

It includes some insightful history of mind programming as well as Svalis experiences in the cult and her thoughts. Svali can speak with authority about the goings on in mind controlled programming.

Mind control programming is huge but still very few talk about it or take it into account when talking geopolitics. It is a huge secret army.

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2022 Feb 14 Bitchute S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” [2]

You Tube S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” [1]

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This week, I am so honored to introduce you to someone I have personally learned so much from and who I believe has one of the most important voices on the planet: Svali, aka “Svali Speaks”! Some of you may know from her Svali Speaks / Svali Speaks Again Blog, or her Svali Speaks book collection she’s authored including the books “I’m Possible”, and “Breaking Free from Cult Programming”. Svali broke free from her cult group several years ago – she used to be a programmer in the cult, and now as a survivor, she wants to share the knowledge that she has learned from personal experience to help others. It IS possible to break free of cult abuse if a person is involved. It is a long, heart-breaking process, but well worth it. In all the content she has publicly provided and made easily accessible to all, she hopes to help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help in their journey towards freedom.

Svali’s work has accelerated my own personal learning journey and some of my own takeaways have been having a better understanding of elite hierarchies and secret societies, how programming works, how it’s done, how it’s broken, and how to meet evil with compassion and love in tandem with the deep anger and sadness that has come up for me often in hearing these stories and learning these hard truths. Understanding the bigger picture of these elite societies, the ins and outs of mind control, as well as the details that make up the big picture are so helpful for anyone on a quest to learn the hard truths of the world. She’s a walking miracle and I believe as more and more people awaken; her literature will become more and more increasingly important in helping survivors, therapists, and those with the courage to learn the great secrets of the world.

Svali has been speaking out since 2006 and doesn’t do many interviews or public apperances, so it’s truly an honor to have her on and I ask everyone listening to give Svali your full attention while listening and taking in the information she is generously offering everyone. I hope you all learn and gain as much insight and knowledge as I did from this episode and from Svali.

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[1] 2022 Feb 14 You Tube S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhSohUE0lM

[2] 2022 Feb 14 Bitchute S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” https://www.bitchute.com/video/m8wGyXZmplaY/

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Transcript

Heavenly father today we put on the full armor to protect us against attack we put on the belt

of truth to protect against lies and deception we put on the breastplate of righteousness to

protect our hearts from the temptations we put the gospel of peace on our feet to walk in your light

peace and freedom with the holy spirit we rebuke anxious thoughts we take up your shield of faith

for protection to block and destroy all the darts and threats thrown at us by the enemy we put on

the helmet of salvation to cover our minds and thoughts reminding us that we are children of a

mighty king we are forgiven set free saved by the blood of jesus we take up the sword of the spirit

your living word that has the power to demolish strongholds and is sharper

than any double-edged sword we come to you in prayer daily in jesus mighty name we pray amen

Hey you guys welcome to another episode of the imagination

i’m your host emma and today i’m honored to introduce to you someone i have learned so

much from who i believe has one of the most important voices on the planet right now

folly aka svali speaks for those of you who follow her online some of you may know her online from

her folly speaks blog or her folly speaks book collection she’s authored and here’s one of the

the books that she’s had that i’ve had the honor of reading um spolly broke free from her group

several years ago she used to be a programmer in the cult and now she wants to share the knowledge

that she has to help others it is possible to break free of cult abuse if a person is involved

it’s a long heartbreaking process but well worth it all in the consent she has publicly provided

and made easily accessible to all she hopes to help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help

in their journey towards freedom spally thank you so much for being here with me today

well thank you for having me too i appreciate it it’s such an honor um i’m more recent to

learning about you over the last few months whenever i reached out to you and i immediately

went and bought your book breaking free of cult programming and it just had the most tremendous

impact on me you know it’s like it’s not easy learning about these topics but for somebody

like me who’s passionate about learning and who’s never personally experienced it something such as

programming or cults it’s like i i have my own idea of what that could be but your readings

and your book and your blog have just been key in accelerating my learning so i’m absolutely honored

to having you on here and i think a lot of people listening are going to be able to connect those

dots themselves on some of these topics so for people who may not have heard of you or who may be

new to your story can you give us some background and insight on your upbringing and your backstory

okay i’ll do it briefly um well i when i was in my early 30s i started to remember

my cold abuse before that i was amnesic i went through quite a process of working through

memories um at that time i was searching for someone who could help me understand what i was

going through even though i was in therapy with someone who had information and knowledge about

cults and programming this was in the mid-1990s they didn’t know much and when i started to share

with them with them my stuff they said i’ve never heard of this and i remember saying well how did i

break free from it and they said just about react all my lands you know and i wanted validation too

and that’s why i wrote my first blog because i was really seeking um i went i knew others would

go through what i was i want them to have the validation i couldn’t find

and why i had support from several people um it’s been a long journey i at one point i

spent two years with a friend of mine in texas did some intensive time of journaling prayer

um basically worked on my own pretty much with god’s help and my friends that were supportive

they gave me a safe place tons of memories started coming out then too and um eventually you

know i knew enough about my system to get a good understanding of what programming was in place um

over the years i’ve struggled to get free i’ve struggled with a lot of harassment as i did so

um there’ve been a couple times when um i did get sucked back in it was very traumatic it was very

terrible and then i had to work twice as hard afterwards to get free again and so my book um

it’s not impossible is based on that because i realize that sometimes when a person has

complex programming it’s easy to think there’s no way you can get out there’s no way to get free

and that’s not true people do get free um it’s not easy always and i go into some of the reasons why

you know in my on my blog if if you read it but i my main desire is to help people find a source

of help and truth um i want to encourage people not to give up i want to encourage people that

i’m a strong christian and for me that’s personally a source of help

that if you can find enough love in your life i found in god’s love and

my friend’s love but if you can find that and enough safety it is possible to heal

yeah i really encourage people to read your blog and i know we’ll talk about that

a little bit more later but as someone who is extremely knowledgeable on mind control

would you mind giving us the history backstory of mind control programming and its use in

secret societies such as i’ll use the one the illuminati yeah well first of all i’m gonna i

want to correct something um i’m not all that knowledgeable on mind control because anyone

raised in any of these sophisticated cults is going to have quite a good grasp of programming

these groups teach their children to become programmers from an early age

so anyone who’s been raised in any say any of the 12 big occultic societies has a pretty

extensive knowledge of mind control from their experience and also doing it to others the

difference is not every survivor is willing to discuss mind control for various reasons

it could be fear of retaliation or other things so i just considered myself a person who is willing

to talk about it more than as an authority if that makes sense well you know it does it’s

more for people like me and i know a lot of the listeners it’s it’s kind of a 101 to we

look at you as the ones who are going to help educate us so to us you’re super knowledgeable

but that makes a lot of sense that there’s a lot of people across the planet that have the

you know extensive knowledge oh yeah yeah oh yeah a history of mind control well how much time

as much time as you need well let’s see mind control has been around probably ever since

the first secret societies i i’m thinking back to ancient babylon when they had rituals and

people were sworn to keep something secret you know i’m talking about biblical times probably

um even back then there was some amount of mind control but it’s not

the same as it is today historically um up until the early 1900s mind control was mainly rituals

in other words the writ the the ritual itself was the mind control and the mind control was a ritual

for many secret societies so that might be something where you have a child who’s hung you

know who’s hung in a well and still we won’t bring you up and unless you promise never to tell or

being buried alive or um the child is taught how to build a wall you know using um i’m sorry

i’m being graphic too by the way but but using human bodies as as a mortar to build the wall

to create amnesia those are ancient rituals they’ve been around for all thousands of years

and that was probably the type of mind control you saw until the early 1900s

in the early 1900s the shift started though in which the focus became

not just during the ritual which was effective in fragmenting a child and getting them to

keep the secrecy but into more of a scientific mind control or modern mind control

and starting around 1912 um the emphasis became on people started to ask how can we make this better

and that’s the difference between modern mind control and ancient mind control

they start using the scientific method to look at behavior attachment because basically

mind control is a manipulation of a child’s need to be feel safe or to have attachment

in order to get a desired result i mean you can basically those are the two things because in

most mind control methods they will take away the child’s feeling of either safety

or they will threaten them with abandonment or lack of love to coerce them and or the destruction

of loved ones which is a form of destruction of attachment in order to get the child to do what

they want so starting in about 1912 you started to see your behavioral scientists like b.f skinner

and some of the others introduced operant conditioning and that became part of mind control

then fast forward to the late 1930s early 1940s and that’s when mengele and some others were

also investigating mind control as well and in fact in nazi germany mengela was

doing a much more extensive experiments than have been ever documented but that’s a whole other

topic that i’m not going to dive into right now um he’s considered the father of modern

programming by many groups because he’s collected extensive databases then he collected databases

on what he called endpoint experiments which was to see what the limits of human tolerance

for certain things were and endpoint meaning death either psychological or physical death

and then aft after mengele of course and at the same time the japanese also were also doing

huge mind control experiments people don’t talk a lot about that but the asian societies and

the japanese were also doing similar things during the world war afterwards um

uh programming became more and more sophisticated you saw programs like mk ultra developed in the

united states for its mind control or the mi6 the greenhouse over in the uk

which actually had children at greenhouse being trained and taught to

you had other mind control programs around the world then starting or either starting or

else continuing in a more sophisticated level so government came in and also the military came in

too with their they called them my lab or military lab program indoctrinated mind control then um

in the um 19 and 80s they started to develop high-tech programming which are machines like uh

virtual reality machines holograms um high-tech torture the use of of emf um of

different uh bursa microwaves and things they also at that point um the the occultic groups

were able to actually you may have seen some pet images of the brain well the cold had access to

technology like that about 60 years ago and after like the 70s and 80s they were actually

mapping out the human brain the emotion centers the thought centers and the consciousness center

so that they could actually pinpoint and target and area the brain to create an emotion within

their high-tech machines or and sense and they also create like portable machines or helmets too

where the person could be programmed with vrs and actually feel the sensations

but basically those are some of the methodologies but the main purpose of mind control is to control

individuals to do a specific action and to me to maintain the secrecy of the group so that’s

a brief run through uh do you have any questions about that um i think you answered most of that

history i guess i’ll go off of what you said um you said a little bit of what they’re used for

why are these so important why is mind control so important to these generational cults slash

illuminati other uh secret societies well think about it if without mind control um people would

remember what they’re doing and that makes them a security risk especially some of the a lot of

these groups have secrets they’re involved either in illegal activities to make money

or they’re involved in traffic such as trafficking or other things or they’re gathering intelligence

and they found that let’s say you have someone who you’re using as an agent overseas to gather

information and that person actually is identified and questioned if if they have mind control and

they’re completely amnesic truly amnesic they can pass polygraph tests all kinds of tests

and they will look innocent let’s say but the main thing too is uh to keep the people in the groups

they have to use various forms of mind control or else people would leave these groups

because a lot of people i mean the methods are horrific they’re used i mean a child is not going

to want to stay and be involved most children won’t in rituals and in some of the activities

unless they were forced to so this is a way of psychologically pressuring and forcing the child

to maintain the activities that that the group wants it’s basically for its continuance and for

its secrecy that makes sense and i think that’s the part that a lot of people who

might just start hearing about this that’s what’s hard to imagine is that there are things that

people are doing that could potentially be so bad that they have to utilize these types of things to

not just silence people but keep them loyal to the the families that they’re in oh yeah yeah and

of course the biggest part what i think though is missing is some discussions of mind control

i’ve seen is the role of attachment you see oh the bad guys hurt me they terrified me and that’s why

i was scared to leave but that’s early in healing it takes later in healing to understand these are

the people i love most on earth and the biggest hole they had on me was the fact that i love them

you know this is my father my mother my sister my brother my cousins my best friends you know

my lover you know whoever these three the people i attached to growing up the people who rocked me

nursed me fed me at least in in the some of the occultic societies especially the ones where

the child is raised in a facility as i was i was raised in a facility overseas so the people that

that that first rocked me helped me and said i love you were the people in the group

my mother was a member of the group my father was you know i did not know anybody outside of

the group my first three years of life i was not allowed outside of a facility until then

and so that was my whole world that’s why it’s so hard to break free though too

because then in order to step away from a group like this you are breaking your entire

attachment you’ve created through a lifetime and that’s one of the most difficult things and most

people who are mind-controlled their systems will protect the person they loved most they bonded to

most on earth because they love them love is a much bigger motivator than fear ever could be

that’s a really interesting point you know that’s something you’re right but that’s

a very missing element to you when people talk about this love i think is just in general you

know that’s the most powerful force in the world that we combat and so there are ways

to use love and to manipulate it and invert it and you know we can think that something is love

when really it’s you know where does that line blur between like love and hate and you know love

and violence it’s like it becomes so enmeshed when you have those relationships that are so

uh going back to programming like i mean what age does this start

very very young a lot of children right yes it varies from group to group but i know that

what mangala did and why he’s called the father of modern programming he initiated programming in the

womb before him that the groups usually started the programming and mind control at about age

two or three but what mangala showed is that the earlier and earlier the child was indoctrinated

he started with infants and then he went east and then he thought well if an infant can be

programmed what about a fetus you have to remember that the these sophisticated

coal groups have technology that’s at least 50 to 70 years ahead of what is available publicly

so they had sophisticated fetal monitoring devices and so you could program a fetus

in the womb so let’s and what they would do is they would insert a very tiny slender um

flexible uh cord into the uterus and they could shock the fetus to tell it you know

if you ever disobey this is what happens and the fetus will just like like you know quiver

and shake in the womb or they can pat the womb you know and flood the mother with um drugs that

make her feel bliss and tell the the fetus this is what happens when you obey us you feel happy you

know things like that so the operant conditioning actually begins uh prenatally uh for some of the

more sophisticated groups such as the illuminati the knights templar um the knights of malta

gosh yeah now when it comes to programming um two words that i think people hear but

they’re not they might not know what they are would you be able to just briefly describe what

neuro-linguistic programming or nlp and hypnosis is because i know that that’s a big part of this

mind control too and then we’ll kind of get into i’ll let you talk about some types of programming

that exists well nlp and uh hypnosis were used very early on like in the 20s and 30s that was

usual a mengele used it a bit but basically um like hypnosis is when a person enters into what’s

called a trance state it’s actually a state of deep relaxation where the brain goes into say

goes runs through alpha state and then slows down and slows down and so um the person feels very

relaxed and some of their normal inhibitions leave and then they become very suggestible

neuro-linguistic programming is a bit different that’s more of of like a

a combination of body language sensory input as well as um

in an attempt to end words and other things to influence a person towards an attempted aim

and so sometimes like nlp will incorporate some techniques that could be think of as

hypnotic for instance in nlp you might have like a little um laser light going back and

forth almost like with emdr but not quite to to um and you tell the person to track the light

and while they’re being given suggestions but they’re still awake they’re not exact

they’re not in the trance state necessarily that you would be in say with um hypnosis

but anyway okay that’s a brief explanation well i appreciate that because i think that you know

those are two things that have been i think a lot of people have been exposed to those words over

the last couple years and they might have an idea of what it is but don’t you think that between

hollywood and books they make hypnosis look like this crazy thing that nobody does and that it’s

this non-sophisticated type of you know thing that wacky doctors do and it’s actually a very

powerful therapy for good or for bad i’ve also you know you talk about how it can be manipulated

in a really bad way with this programming and it can also be super healing which is interesting too

and a lot of people don’t realize that i think so um yeah i think you need to be with a safe person

and be very careful who you do that with but there are cases where people have described

being able to get in touch with memories and body sensations and emotions that way but hypnosis

is a very small part of modern programming it is used but it’s not a primary um methodology used

anymore it used to be but much less the closest to hypnosis nowadays would be like if you’re sitting

in front of your television set and you’re just like in a total you know uh slow slower brainwave

state and you’re more susceptible you’re not really hypnotized but that’s about as close to

that deep relaxed state that you’re you are more susceptible to input at that point though than you

might be if you were like alert and active and and doing something a hundred percent that’s always a

weird feeling to you whenever you get engrossed and then somebody’s calling your name off to

the side and you’re just zoned into the yeah and you’re like oh yeah you were just calling me yes

yes that zone is right on the borderline between consciousness and a very light trans state almost

relatable for people who are like okay i can’t imagine what hypnosis is a lot of people haven’t

you know experienced it and it’s definitely not covered by any insurance so it’s not something

that people go seek usually unless you know they might have extra money or like you said maybe find

a good therapist and help them with that but boy i would be real cautious because i’ve also heard of

times when hypnosis was abused by someone seeking therapy that way too so that’s why it’s always

good to be careful about the practitioner you know check them out carefully their references and

even if you know someone who’s seen them you know see what their experience was was like as well

such a good tip and i think especially survivors can probably really relate to that that’s

something i get i’m told a lot is just how hard it is to find and you mentioned it earlier how

hard it is to find therapists that go out of their way to study this stuff because it’s not something

that you know is even in their curriculum so a lot of them are like that’s just a conspiracy or it’s

uh what do they call it um when it instead of d.i.d they call it fake memory syndrome or

something like that which is false yeah the false memory syndrome oh man well anyway that’s a whole

other topic you don’t want to hear my rants about them but let’s just i will say the false memory

syndrome their goal was to target as many of the most effective therapists in the united states

and give them get them with lawsuits and that’s one reason why in the 1990s there were a lot

of therapists working with did and ritual abuse and occultic abuse and then suddenly

now it’s called the satanic panic which is a lie because um and partly that’s because

of the litigation against the good therapists you know so now there are people willing to

work with it but they’re very careful how they advertise in the words they use

they might say i work with trauma survivors or complex trauma you know or um cptsd but they

normally you won’t hear people saying i work with um did specifically or it’s rare now that

there are exceptions to that i have some links on my blog to um people who i know of that that

either work with it or can or may know people that uh can be referred and the isstd is a refreshing

exception as well that’s the um i think it’s an international society for this study of trauma

disorders or something like that money white they do have a ritual group abuse um study group

with some excellent therapists in it and that’s one thing i love about your blog and something

that i loved about your book it’s not something that i’m currently doing working with clients but

again to to understand it it almost helps to just uh kind of take it all apart explain what it is

and then uh reverse engineer it so that way you can see how it comes undone so somebody like me

can have that big picture and i think that’s so so so helpful that you’ve done that because i can

only imagine how much feedback you’ve gotten from therapists and from people who are working with

survivors saying thank you this information is really hard to find you know for some of

these really extreme cases and you know breaking through all these different layers of programming

well i’m doing my blog now to because to help therapists understand that this stuff is real

um i actually it’s more dragged toward therapists than survivors at this point because those are the

people i i guess i got furious when i found out what the false memory syndrome was doing

and that’s why i share some of these things and also because people don’t rise um how

complex programming can be and how extensive uh the infiltration by these societies is

although i think people are starting to get an idea nowadays in fact i you know some

people say well let’s expose the illuminati i say well look at uh your your local news

and you’ll see them on tv almost you know it’s it’s it’s so blatant at this point it’s

no longer about exposing what’s going on but sharing instead what do you do to heal

how do you help people who are suffering from this or who have undergone this are trying to get free

absolutely and i think it’s even helpful for somebody like me who listens to these stories

even if it’s just on a podcast and it’s not a clinical setting it helps somebody like me have

better empathy to even if they don’t want to go into details or can’t for whatever reason

or even if it’s not in a podcast form and it’s just maybe a friend talking about abuse it it

helps to get comfortable understanding these topics so when it does come into your life

you know how to wrap your arms around it instead of almost repel it or get scared of it

yeah yeah and but the main thing too is even on my blog i just touched the tip of the iceberg because

mind control and programming are very um big issues and they’re going to be very

different for each person so there’s no one-size-fits-all with this either

and i think that’s important to realize too that even though i share my experiences and some of my

information you may have another survivor whose story is totally different than mine

and whose needs are going to be very different as well but the basics safety and attachment

i believe are the common thread that run through almost all mind control done by organized groups

now could you talk about some of the different types of mind control programming

you touch on some of them in your blog the one that i’m i’ve most recently dove into is the

jesuit programming which was super super new to me um if you could touch on some of those um satanic

ritual b some ultra maybe a few of them and kind of uh what are the differences between them do

they belong to different societies um maybe just a couple differentiations for people who might come

across these terms well i think in one of my blog posts i mentioned the hierarchy of the societies

racial abuse and occultic abuse and mind control there’s a huge continuum for instance it you may

have the dabbler who some teenage kids who get a book about paganism or wicca and decide to do a

few rituals to go one step beyond harry potter and then you know and do some things like that that’s

that’s the you know local level occultism then you have your generational families who

may be born in podunk wherever you know on the middle you know a small town and they kind of

own the town and their group runs that town and the person people in that town all know

that there’s cult abuse going on but no one really talks about openly but it’s it’s it’s just there

again then you have your national groups like the brotherhood and others in the united states

and uh who their members are programmed from childhood on to much more intentionally they

have access to more um technology more funding but then you have what are considered the

at least in the group i was in are considered the the the 12 occultic societies

these are your international groups and they include groups like the illuminati

the opus d a magnificat uh the knights of malta the templar knights

uh groups like that and some of the the the also the the very well organized

asian clients as well are considered an international occultic society nowadays because

they have they have tentacles everywhere so you have these 12 societies okay then

over them all is the vatican

okay and now when i say vatican i’m not saying your average cows like by the way

most people in the catholic church have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes

you go to local i’m not talking about your local catholic parish where it there’s probably very

good people there where the local priest may be fined but i’m talking about in the center

of power at the vatican in rome and that’s where the jesuit order is located and the jesuit order

is actually the shadow government of the vatican okay so they they are over all the the other 12

societies and so they um would you maybe say that they’re the most powerful group that

they’re up on top or yes or a differentiation of how the groups under them look at them

is it kind of a powerful no no no they are the most powerful groups the other groups

i get pay homage to them okay and they okay so in other words um

the illuminati in america or germany report to rome not the other way around okay the knights

uh the knights of malta which were in switzerland they report to rome rome does not report to them

is is that is that america do you have any questions about that no that makes total sense

yeah i think that that’s always a question that comes up in people’s minds at least it did in mine

is are all these societies equal and they almost like i don’t want to say compete with each other

but they’re just separate um or is there kind of a way that they all look at each other like oh this

society is above us or this one’s below us um so i appreciate you clarifying that well i think okay

well first of all not all the members of these societies know about the vatican rule that they

they’re over them like if you’re illuminati and you’re like you know mid-level management you

will have no idea that rome is actually that your top leaders are reporting to rome okay

or if you’re opus d8 you may or may not know there there’s there’s going to be varying people

it’s like the inner circle the top know about it but not your typical person in those groups um

it depends these groups are territorial they’ve they’ve divided the world up into

different territories and they rule them so let’s okay so today in the united states

is obviously the illuminati we’re given mostly u.s

the brotherhood runs parts of it and some of the other groups too but they have a minor presence

now if you go into say france the night the temple or knights have a much greater presence

yes there’s illuminati there but they’ve actually divided france up between the templar knights and

the illuminati there is run by the illuminati switzerland is run by knights of malta um

magnificat is based in italy and runs a lot and is over quite a bit a few of the wealthy families

there so in other words each have their region so let’s say that i’m an illuminati member and i want

to go to switzerland and i have a mission there i actually have to go to the knights of malta

leadership and say i have a mission here um and ask their permission to enter in a sense it’s

considered courtesy they they don’t want someone on their grounds operating without their their

authorization or their knowledge of what’s going on okay or let’s say that i am a member of opus

d.a and i have something that i need to do in russia i would go to the russian illuminati and

ask their permission by the way i don’t do that but i’m just i’m just hypothetically telling

you how it works so they work cooperatively but they’re also very competitive as well

now if because that’s how just a normal cult is run through a hierarchy so that makes sense

they would structure everything that way to where their this group’s the highest or this leader and

you know every place under it yeah so if you go into another group’s territory it’s considered

uh courtesy and also common sense just to let the leadership there know

i’m doing this this is how long i’ll be here i’ll be out of there

within two months you know blah blah blah can you and then can you offer me resources and they

might do that depending on if it furthers their group’s missions they usually do you know wow

now yeah what is what’s the difference between the types of programming that some of these

societies use because the jesuit they have their own way of programming then there’s

mechanic ritual abuse there’s mklt you don’t have to go super in depth if you don’t want to

into into some of them but what are some of the maybe major differences or characteristics

that differ between those for people who are like they all sound similar or i don’t know what the

differentiating factor is they’re all pretty similar in the 12 o’clock the 12 international

societies it’s fairly similar i mean since uh the 1970s they each have their okay there’s genetic

labs that these groups use okay to create like improve the dna of their individuals and and uh

one group might purchase dna from another say for their fetuses things like that normally um

the jesuit order usually has tried to has held on to the most sophisticated programming but over the

years they shared quite a bit with other groups and mengele did too because mengele kept extensive

databases and so rome actually allowed him to share a certain amount with the other groups

you know to help improve their programming um over time but nowadays with technology with

um the sharing of information most of the groups have shared quite a bit of information now they

each have proprietary programming that they keep to themselves but in general there’s a

lot of sharing of information because they want to improve mind control within their members and so

it’s often very similar not exactly the same but very similar now uh they’re not all groups have

their children though in say an institution or or a facility for the first three years of life

that is a jesuit thing um some groups will send their children to these facilities for

intermittent periods as they’re growing up but we’ll host them in a family or two

gotcha and is that generational how they decide which child ends up where whenever they’re born

or are there certain things that they look for and maybe a mother or a child to determine if

they’re in a facility or somewhere else no no that’s just like like in the jesuits all the

kids are raised in the facilities you know um in the illuminati they will send their children

out for periods of time in early childhood for specific training but the illuminati tend to host

their children in uh two or three host families okay so you might have like a child an illuminati

who’s hosted in america france and maybe another country you know for their presentations um

knights of malta have their own facilities that their babies go to for periods of time and their

infants again so not all groups do 24 7 facility programming gotcha that makes a lot of sense now

along the lines of programming um there are obviously negative ways that

programming is is used and ways that there are really horrific things used to install the

programming into a child or whoever they’re doing it to you are there ways that programming can be

positive um as far as are there things that we can access within ourselves through programming

are there things that have been uh accessed through programming that are actually positive

um and that can be beneficial to somebody all right i’m going to um i get asked this a lot

and of course i have my own prejudices because of my past experience but i’m gonna

in general i think that when people say can programming be positive i think they’re not

actually asking about programming the way i’m describing because what i’m describing is trauma

based mind control and programming whereas i think when a person changes their internal

uh thought patterns to a more positive one i don’t consider that programming i know some

you know practitioners say well you’re reprogramming your mind in a positive way

i don’t look at that so much as programming though as because pro in my world view programming

means the locus of control does not belong to me but to an external person who is trying attempting

to control me to tell me what to do whereas when the when the locus of control is internal

and i’m choosing to change the way i’m thinking then that to me that is no longer programming but

it’s actually a self-actualization or choice so i think are there methods that allow a person to

uh self-actualize yes i mean um

that’s cbt dbt um thought-based therapies are all methods where a person can change the way they

think and volitionally through their own choice change but i don’t consider that programming

you know even though i know it gets mandy about what this is reprogramming the mind well

because of my background then when i use the term programming say on my blog i’m talking about

traumatic abuse of mind control which is what the cultic societies do so that the

groups i’m talking about never do well they never do positive program as far as

beneficial to the person because their goal is to enslave and chain the person

now will they allow positive experiences that make the person feel happy blissful or whatever

as part of their operant conditioning that because there’s always a reward yes so they may give you

feelings of safety peace happy joyful and that’s part of their programming

but it’s for a purpose it’s to control the person i’ll give an example

in programming sessions in the occultic societies and infant is often traumatically abused but

immediately afterwards the infant will be held and cuddled given a bottle or breastfed by the trainer

they will be they will be told i love you and you did a good job because

they want to create the bond and and in these groups the bond is real it’s not

it’s not the person just saying the words because infants pick up on that and they’re not going

to bond with someone that they believe is just saying words they actually do love the infants

and the infant knows that and that’s what brings the infant back into a more

normal state from the awful trauma they went through and the programmers know that

they use attachment now is that a happy positive bliss experience yes but is it used for a bad

purpose yes that makes sense that’s a great uh delineation between terms i almost feel like

kind of the positive side when people are stepping away from it or maybe if they get out or like you

said a person wants to change their mindset to positive uh i wouldn’t say it’s deprogramming

but it’s almost like you’re shedding uh belief systems that maybe you’ve had that you’re changing

you know yourself uh something that you learned or you know so i can see how that can be confused

and why a lot of people would ask that for you now you mentioned that the abuse that you talk about

is trauma based has that changed throughout the years i know many many years ago decades

ago the only way really to achieve that was to use abuse have they modernized that are

they using technology are there ways that are less abusive than maybe what were in the past

or have most of the methods been unchanged uh for the majority of time the methods are actually more

abusive with the use of technology i in my opinion because they have they now have the capability

to take neural imprints from people who have had their arms sliced off put it into a a one of these

machines and then put the person through a vr and it feels exactly as if their arm is being

sliced off so actually it’s much more traumatic and abusive in the negative forms than in prior

years the technology has made the abuse worse and at the same time the reward systems they can now

target the bliss under the brain the joy center of the brain to create um parts who feel a great

sense of joy and bliss when they’re doing some of the the um actions that they want

so i believe in my opinion it’s much more coercive and abusive than it was even before the

technologies were developed this is not a kinder gentler cult world we’re talking about this is

a cult world that wants to bring in their world leader and they want these they want

people completely chained to him and to the goals goals of the occultic societies and

they’ll do whatever it takes and they don’t want people breaking three free

the good news is people do break free i know and people like you are just you know you’re an

absolute walking miracle that you’re free and that a lot of the people i’ve had on my show

you know you look at the statistics and you might know better than me but i read somewhere that

i think seven percent of all people who get in these systems make it out and that might even be

high but regardless even if it is seven percent that’s such a small percentage

of people that even have a fighting chance of being somewhere to have a voice or getting a

home or getting a job or living something that resembles somewhat of a normal life

yeah but um people that want to get out have a lot of strength as well

and i believe god placed in our hearts our wills and minds our will we have a human will

we have a choice and that’s something you can go through a lifetime of programming and it cannot

completely take away your will it cannot take away that part of you that says this is bullcrap

one day i and you know one of your questions was at what age do people leave it varies um sometimes

people leave when they’re teenagers sometimes they leave in their 60s but it eventually comes down to

the person waking up and saying you know what i’ve been lied to my entire life they lied to

me and they lied to me because they believe the lie see and that’s the other thing issue i have is

sometimes i read survivor accounts it sounds like i was a poor wounded victim and and that happens i

i’m not saying that doesn’t happen in some cases this when they go i was a wounded victim and the

evil people hurt me but what they don’t rise is those evil people were hurt too as children

i have never met a trainer or an abuser in these groups that was not dissociative

and had not been tortured themselves as a child i’m talking all the way up the chain

i’m talking about the leaders of the leaders people talk about the awful people who know

what they’re doing when i was in the groups i did not know anyone who knew what they were

doing consciously there’s not this secret cabal of people who consciously know oh i’m hurting people

because you cannot as a human being we cannot come into contact i believe with the deep satanic evil

that these groups perpetrate and not dissociate you go nuts otherwise i believe

or you would go into probably emotional shocks of some kind so from top leadership down

people are dissociative but at some level people know they’re being lied to we just have something

that god put in us that says this is right and this is wrong it is wrong to hurt children deep

in our hearts that’s why babe infants are enraged when they feel pain they’re not supposed to

that’s why your teenagers will try to sometimes run away from these groups that’s why they use

mind control if they didn’t everybody would be running away when they’re five years old

or talking to their teachers left and right so mind control is an attempt to silence

that voice inside that says something is wrong and there’s something better out there

and i think for me that was one of the biggest takeaways that i got from studying your material

it’s not that i’m not a compassionate person but it’s really easy to look at

what people are capable of doing and to judge them and to think that they’re in the same conscious

mind that i am and to think how could somebody do that you know so you automatically judge somebody

and not that there shouldn’t be some judgment like you said there’s there’s a choice too at the end

of the day and a lot of people don’t explore the other choice or even consider it they just

bury it you know and there’s people like you who weigh both choices and say ah this choice isn’t

as good for me as this choice so i’m gonna go with this choice but for me it’s really helped

me look at people uh say political figures or you know a lot of the people in the spotlight

that get villainized and again they should be villainized for for what they’re doing but

to think that they’re doing this consciously it’s incomprehensible that people could do that like

you said like these are unconscious human beings these are traumatic children like the traumatized

adults that are carrying on something that was literally like you said it could have been

instilled in them from the time that they were still in their in their mother’s fetus oh yeah

you can look at political figures um and see that blank almost shell-like look on them and you go

oh man they worked hard on them to get them to do that you know and it grieves me when i see that

yeah and me too now you know it’s like i said not that i didn’t have empathy before but it’s easy

like i feel sense learning through you i have that emotional charge or that initial anger has been

replaced with empathy like that’s the first thing i go to is like

that poor person and it’s not that i agree with what they’re doing or that like i endorse them

but think like gosh what did that person go through that this is who they are today as

an adult or an older person or middle aged or however old they are you know like what what’s

their story and how sad that that’s the result of you know they never how you said broke free

yeah at the same time survivors do have the right to feel anger hurt and rage at those that abuse

them so knowing that doesn’t mean you don’t get angry because you do and and do everything you can

to stop what is happening 100 yes there’s a way to feel both it’s so easy to get caught up in not

expressing both ends of the equation and to just let that anger fester up and i think that that

happens with a lot of people who aren’t survivors too who are studying this they get enraged and we

need to have some type of you know negative emotion fueling us into action um but we also

need to balance that through that compassionate effort of asking that question like what did this

adult go through as a child to make them this person to make them this unconscious today or this

evil for a better lack of words you know and yeah you’re just so good i think helping

balance out those emotions to make people say oh i really want to do something about this

and i feel a little bit more confident i’m not as emotionally charged approaching these these topics

anymore i have two sides of the story i can ask different types of questions now instead of just

focusing on the ones that make me mad yeah yeah and so as far as uh you mentioned that somebody

normally you know it can begin in the fetus or at a a toddler age that programming begins

yeah people start to i guess recall memory later on in life i’d love for you to go through

uh maybe talking about the age that that typically happens i know it can vary and

for some people it could even be earlier later than an average but um and how do people how

have you in your personal experience and then from people that maybe you’ve dealt with or therapists

who have talked to you about clients what’s the process of somebody recognizing or asking and

being able to know are these memories real am i imagining things and kind of clearing the air for

that realization and that breaking free element of their mind okay um that’s going

to be again different for each person um i mean you could probably have several

dozen survivors here and each one would have a different process

but sometimes there’s a common thread though is that niggling feeling that something’s wrong even

as a child growing up um even if there are music sometimes there’s a feeling like all is not well

on the home front but i don’t know why or the child feels really different or the child feels

has things in their life they can’t they can’t explain well but they try to explain away

when they get older um i once heard a description by someone i thought

was wonderful they said when a person has developed enough positive life experiences

that they believe that they no longer deserve to be abused they’ll try to break away from it

i thought that was a great description when a person gets older and especially if they’re

intelligent or they have skills but regardless of your of your iq that’s not what i’m talking about

but and their innate desire to fight they may say you know what i’m sick of this for some people

it’s an event that makes them just realize they’re i’m fed up i can’t take it anymore

sometimes maybe um they lose someone they traumatically lose lose someone in the

group that they loved in a very ugly way or as a punishment another person might um

see some signs of things to come in their group and they’re not happy with the direction it’s

going they’re rising i cannot agree with this anymore some people just they get sick of the

hypocrisy and they’re saying why do we have to lie direct to each other all the time why do we have

to abuse each other all the time why do we have to coerce and manipulate when can i actually really

truly love someone and it’s not either a reward or a punishment based thing so for i think for each

person that moment is going to be different but when they realize that i cannot put up with this

anymore i went out or they and they something makes them believe it’s possible to break free

maybe they maybe they meet someone that got out or maybe they hear stories that make them realize

others got out which is a big reason for my blog and my book the number one reason maybe they

have an experience outside of their group where they realize wait not everybody is mind controlled

and when they have that experience in their life or that kind of thinking then

they will often internally make plans to break free at some at some point and if they can keep

that away from their programmers their internal parts will start making a plan and when they do

that the person will leave and that’s going to vary for each person like i said um if a person um

i i can’t predict the age i i know that there’s been studies that say well people that have

amnesia tends to break in their 30s well i’ve known people in their teens and their 20s and

their 50s and 60s when it first broke so i i can’t speak to that you know but what i do know

is that when the person receives enough truth in their life to rise that they’ve been lied to

and they have that strength of will to say well i’m not going to put i’m going to do fight this

with everything in me and get out then they will and they know it’s going to be hard

their their presentation their hosts may not know how hard the fight’s going to be but their their

cult host will know their back parts will know this is oh my gosh this is giving up

everyone i’ve loved and going into a world that doesn’t understand what i’ve been through and

trying to make friends and live in a world view that’s so different from the one i was raised in

those are the tasks that the survivor faces and lucky is the survivor who meets someone

who is willing to walk with them through that process you know we talk about how hard it

is for someone who’s been trafficked all their life to leave the the life

it’s the same only multiplied for a member who’s been raised in a cult setting i believe

because at least our society accepts and acknowledges that trafficking is real

but there’s a lot of denial in our society regarding ritual abuse

still so imagine the survivor who goes into their church setting or their support setting and saying

i need prayer because i’m trying to leave a cult group

and instead with will help you and stand by you they’re met with

you’re scary go away well that’s a conspiracy theory it’s not real yeah exactly syndrome yeah

and that is not the helpful response the helpful response is to say how can we help you what do

you need and i think the biggest disservice is the fact that people here in the united states

the only time that they’ve heard of you know say mk ultra i would say is probably the most popular

form or name of mind control that people might have heard even if they don’t know what it is and

even that you know they said stopped in the 60s so there’s such a stigma around oh this doesn’t

even happen anymore you know you weren’t born with back then or before then and you know that was a

cia program they didn’t use test subjects and you know there’s so much misunderstanding on that i i

i have a response to that how often has our government do you believe lied to people

exactly come on do you really think that our department of

justice and our government and the us government is telling the truth

i know that’s the part that boggles my mind i’m like when historically have we ever

not years later been like oh that was a lie that was a lie that was fine from everything even

nutrition you know there’s so many things that they’ve lied to us about and we’re

we still every time they say something people are like oh i’m gonna believe that like they’re

telling the truth this time it’s like we have an abusive relationship with our government you know

yeah yeah it is and i think that if anyone who believes that mk ultra st stopped in the

60s that’s when they stopped allowing freedom information act uh to uh to retrieve documents

because the people had already retrieved the documents it’s been going on since then but but

they’re not going to open themselves up to further lawsuits i mean they’ve settled for for uh tons of

money behind the scenes with survivors in the past for what happened in the 50s and i don’t

think they’re going to they don’t want to open themselves up to criticism so what’s the easiest

way just lie just say oh it’s stopped we don’t do it anymore we’re good people now exactly i’m sorry

yeah all those scientists that were studying little kids and doing those things oh well they

just decided to become good people and stop doing those nasty things right right not right

exactly or after nazi germany ended it all ended and you know people just went back to their lives

and that never continued again you know it’s so interesting the narratives that come up and

if they’re told yeah many years people buy into it eventually especially as new generations come up

now you have anything else or is there anything that you would like to say that we didn’t get to

talk about to survivors or listeners about anything that we talked about today or is

there anything that we left out just that um i want people to know it is possible to get out

it is possible um i i’m not gonna i don’t want to make it sound too difficult but it’s really

it’s a journey be aware that it’s a journey if you fall down during your journey um pick your

ask god to pick you up or pick yourself back up keep trying don’t give in um

mind control can be broken and anytime a person can find a real love in their life it really helps

someone who’s not part of an abusive group anytime you can find a safe person who

they will not totally replace what’s lost but who can be part of your journey that’s i really

recommend that as well you know that’s not always possible and if you don’t have that pray for it

ask god to bring that into your life you know um and keep searching for solutions for options

um the other thing is um i’ve been criticized for being too christian but i do believe that my

faith is the number one thing in my life that helped me get out um

the love of god held me during some of my worst times i would not have survived

some of the memories i had personally without that love helping me through it um i know everyone’s

different and i’m there maybe there are people who have the strength to go through trauma remembering

without that and i admire that but for me personally it was knowing that there’s a god

who loves me and cares for me who is good and this is and by the way how can god be good with

what people go through that’s all that could be a whole other hour debate on your show and i

don’t want to delve into that right now but ultimately i do believe he is good regardless

of what happens and i believe that he is going to make things right one day

you know you hear a lot about well you know the antar crisis coming in the you know the

illuminati are taking over the world but there is a verse in scripture that says the government

is on his meaning jesus’s shoulders there is one who will one day govern with truth and

righteousness and it will not be the antichrist it will be the true god and his loving care

and that’s a hope too that everyone can hang on to okay okay i love that that’s one of the

things that i love most about your literature is you’re very graphic and detailed with the truth

but you’re so hopeful too and providing solutions for people like therapists and

giving tools to survivors and you know even for me i get a different perspective reading it to where

i can not only have more hope but more tools and i can see the hopeful side of it you know

and being able to use the truth to empower is so important instead of letting it debilitate you and

i just want to commend you for that and thank you so much for coming on here svali it’s such an

honor to have you on here and to share your voice where can people find you and where’s your book

can you tell us about where to find your blog and anywhere else that you’re out online for people

who want to connect with you well i’ve got a a blog it’s a word press blog it’s smalliespeaks

again dot wordpress.com okay and you just type in smally speaks again and it should come up uh

my book is it’s not impossible and um that had but i’ve really tried to cover my blog

a lot of the things are in it too because i feel this information is so important

that people understand how how this stuff works and that it is possible to find healing

um but it’s on my blog you know or on amazon you know you can find just type in svali and

and you’ll find it on amazon okay i encourage everybody please go dive into her blog get her

books um like i said the one that i have breaking free of cult programming it’s helped me understand

details of a bigger picture that i was struggling to put together in my head of okay i know that

this exists but what are the details and like how does how does it work on on somebody or in general

and i believe nobody has done a better job at putting this material together than swally so

smallie thank you so much for being here it’s been such an honor to get to talk to you and for people

listening thank you so much for listening i’m going to link all of us folly’s links

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you too god bless you too with survivors we see you we hear you and we stand by you

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