Svali Speaks

This is a very rare interview with Svali, the first I am aware of since she recovered deeper memories of Jesuit programming, rather than just regional Illuminati programming.

It includes some insightful history of mind programming as well as Svalis experiences in the cult and her thoughts. Svali can speak with authority about the goings on in mind controlled programming.

Mind control programming is huge but still very few talk about it or take it into account when talking geopolitics. It is a huge secret army.

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2022 Feb 14 Bitchute S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” [2]

You Tube S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” [1]

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This week, I am so honored to introduce you to someone I have personally learned so much from and who I believe has one of the most important voices on the planet: Svali, aka “Svali Speaks”! Some of you may know from her Svali Speaks / Svali Speaks Again Blog, or her Svali Speaks book collection she’s authored including the books “I’m Possible”, and “Breaking Free from Cult Programming”. Svali broke free from her cult group several years ago – she used to be a programmer in the cult, and now as a survivor, she wants to share the knowledge that she has learned from personal experience to help others. It IS possible to break free of cult abuse if a person is involved. It is a long, heart-breaking process, but well worth it. In all the content she has publicly provided and made easily accessible to all, she hopes to help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help in their journey towards freedom.

Svali’s work has accelerated my own personal learning journey and some of my own takeaways have been having a better understanding of elite hierarchies and secret societies, how programming works, how it’s done, how it’s broken, and how to meet evil with compassion and love in tandem with the deep anger and sadness that has come up for me often in hearing these stories and learning these hard truths. Understanding the bigger picture of these elite societies, the ins and outs of mind control, as well as the details that make up the big picture are so helpful for anyone on a quest to learn the hard truths of the world. She’s a walking miracle and I believe as more and more people awaken; her literature will become more and more increasingly important in helping survivors, therapists, and those with the courage to learn the great secrets of the world.

Svali has been speaking out since 2006 and doesn’t do many interviews or public apperances, so it’s truly an honor to have her on and I ask everyone listening to give Svali your full attention while listening and taking in the information she is generously offering everyone. I hope you all learn and gain as much insight and knowledge as I did from this episode and from Svali.

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Links

[1] 2022 Feb 14 You Tube S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhSohUE0lM

[2] 2022 Feb 14 Bitchute S2E17 | “Svali Speaks: Ex-Programmer and Cult Survivor on Secret Societies and Mind Control” https://www.bitchute.com/video/m8wGyXZmplaY/

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Transcript

Heavenly father today we put on the full armor  to protect us against attack we put on the belt  

of truth to protect against lies and deception  we put on the breastplate of righteousness to  

protect our hearts from the temptations we put the  gospel of peace on our feet to walk in your light  

peace and freedom with the holy spirit we rebuke  anxious thoughts we take up your shield of faith  

for protection to block and destroy all the darts  and threats thrown at us by the enemy we put on  

the helmet of salvation to cover our minds and  thoughts reminding us that we are children of a  

mighty king we are forgiven set free saved by the  blood of jesus we take up the sword of the spirit  

your living word that has the power  to demolish strongholds and is sharper  

than any double-edged sword we come to you in  prayer daily in jesus mighty name we pray amen

Hey you guys welcome to another  episode of the imagination  

i’m your host emma and today i’m honored to  introduce to you someone i have learned so  

much from who i believe has one of the most  important voices on the planet right now  

folly aka svali speaks for those of you who follow  her online some of you may know her online from  

her folly speaks blog or her folly speaks book  collection she’s authored and here’s one of the  

the books that she’s had that i’ve had the honor  of reading um spolly broke free from her group  

several years ago she used to be a programmer in  the cult and now she wants to share the knowledge  

that she has to help others it is possible to  break free of cult abuse if a person is involved  

it’s a long heartbreaking process but well worth  it all in the consent she has publicly provided  

and made easily accessible to all she hopes to  help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help  

in their journey towards freedom spally thank  you so much for being here with me today  

well thank you for having me too i appreciate  it it’s such an honor um i’m more recent to  

learning about you over the last few months  whenever i reached out to you and i immediately  

went and bought your book breaking free of cult  programming and it just had the most tremendous  

impact on me you know it’s like it’s not easy  learning about these topics but for somebody  

like me who’s passionate about learning and who’s  never personally experienced it something such as  

programming or cults it’s like i i have my own  idea of what that could be but your readings  

and your book and your blog have just been key in  accelerating my learning so i’m absolutely honored  

to having you on here and i think a lot of people  listening are going to be able to connect those  

dots themselves on some of these topics so for  people who may not have heard of you or who may be  

new to your story can you give us some background  and insight on your upbringing and your backstory

okay i’ll do it briefly um well i when i  was in my early 30s i started to remember  

my cold abuse before that i was amnesic i went  through quite a process of working through  

memories um at that time i was searching for  someone who could help me understand what i was  

going through even though i was in therapy with  someone who had information and knowledge about  

cults and programming this was in the mid-1990s  they didn’t know much and when i started to share  

with them with them my stuff they said i’ve never  heard of this and i remember saying well how did i  

break free from it and they said just about react  all my lands you know and i wanted validation too  

and that’s why i wrote my first blog because i  was really seeking um i went i knew others would  

go through what i was i want them to  have the validation i couldn’t find  

and why i had support from several people  um it’s been a long journey i at one point i  

spent two years with a friend of mine in texas  did some intensive time of journaling prayer  

um basically worked on my own pretty much with  god’s help and my friends that were supportive  

they gave me a safe place tons of memories  started coming out then too and um eventually you  

know i knew enough about my system to get a good  understanding of what programming was in place um  

over the years i’ve struggled to get free i’ve  struggled with a lot of harassment as i did so  

um there’ve been a couple times when um i did get  sucked back in it was very traumatic it was very  

terrible and then i had to work twice as hard  afterwards to get free again and so my book um  

it’s not impossible is based on that because  i realize that sometimes when a person has  

complex programming it’s easy to think there’s  no way you can get out there’s no way to get free  

and that’s not true people do get free um it’s not  easy always and i go into some of the reasons why  

you know in my on my blog if if you read it but  i my main desire is to help people find a source  

of help and truth um i want to encourage people  not to give up i want to encourage people that  

i’m a strong christian and for me  that’s personally a source of help  

that if you can find enough love in  your life i found in god’s love and  

my friend’s love but if you can find that  and enough safety it is possible to heal

yeah i really encourage people to read  your blog and i know we’ll talk about that  

a little bit more later but as someone who  is extremely knowledgeable on mind control  

would you mind giving us the history backstory  of mind control programming and its use in  

secret societies such as i’ll use the one the  illuminati yeah well first of all i’m gonna i  

want to correct something um i’m not all that  knowledgeable on mind control because anyone  

raised in any of these sophisticated cults is  going to have quite a good grasp of programming  

these groups teach their children to  become programmers from an early age  

so anyone who’s been raised in any say any  of the 12 big occultic societies has a pretty  

extensive knowledge of mind control from their  experience and also doing it to others the  

difference is not every survivor is willing  to discuss mind control for various reasons  

it could be fear of retaliation or other things so  i just considered myself a person who is willing  

to talk about it more than as an authority if  that makes sense well you know it does it’s  

more for people like me and i know a lot of  the listeners it’s it’s kind of a 101 to we  

look at you as the ones who are going to help  educate us so to us you’re super knowledgeable  

but that makes a lot of sense that there’s a  lot of people across the planet that have the  

you know extensive knowledge oh yeah yeah oh  yeah a history of mind control well how much time

as much time as you need well let’s see mind  control has been around probably ever since  

the first secret societies i i’m thinking back  to ancient babylon when they had rituals and  

people were sworn to keep something secret you  know i’m talking about biblical times probably  

um even back then there was some  amount of mind control but it’s not  

the same as it is today historically um up until  the early 1900s mind control was mainly rituals  

in other words the writ the the ritual itself was  the mind control and the mind control was a ritual  

for many secret societies so that might be  something where you have a child who’s hung you  

know who’s hung in a well and still we won’t bring  you up and unless you promise never to tell or  

being buried alive or um the child is taught  how to build a wall you know using um i’m sorry  

i’m being graphic too by the way but but using  human bodies as as a mortar to build the wall  

to create amnesia those are ancient rituals  they’ve been around for all thousands of years  

and that was probably the type of mind  control you saw until the early 1900s  

in the early 1900s the shift started  though in which the focus became  

not just during the ritual which was effective  in fragmenting a child and getting them to  

keep the secrecy but into more of a  scientific mind control or modern mind control  

and starting around 1912 um the emphasis became on  people started to ask how can we make this better  

and that’s the difference between modern  mind control and ancient mind control  

they start using the scientific method to  look at behavior attachment because basically  

mind control is a manipulation of a child’s  need to be feel safe or to have attachment  

in order to get a desired result i mean you can  basically those are the two things because in  

most mind control methods they will take  away the child’s feeling of either safety  

or they will threaten them with abandonment or  lack of love to coerce them and or the destruction  

of loved ones which is a form of destruction of  attachment in order to get the child to do what  

they want so starting in about 1912 you started  to see your behavioral scientists like b.f skinner  

and some of the others introduced operant  conditioning and that became part of mind control  

then fast forward to the late 1930s early 1940s  and that’s when mengele and some others were  

also investigating mind control as well  and in fact in nazi germany mengela was  

doing a much more extensive experiments than have  been ever documented but that’s a whole other  

topic that i’m not going to dive into right  now um he’s considered the father of modern  

programming by many groups because he’s collected  extensive databases then he collected databases  

on what he called endpoint experiments which  was to see what the limits of human tolerance  

for certain things were and endpoint meaning  death either psychological or physical death  

and then aft after mengele of course and at  the same time the japanese also were also doing  

huge mind control experiments people don’t talk  a lot about that but the asian societies and  

the japanese were also doing similar  things during the world war afterwards um

uh programming became more and more sophisticated  you saw programs like mk ultra developed in the  

united states for its mind control or  the mi6 the greenhouse over in the uk  

which actually had children at  greenhouse being trained and taught to  

you had other mind control programs around  the world then starting or either starting or  

else continuing in a more sophisticated level so  government came in and also the military came in  

too with their they called them my lab or military  lab program indoctrinated mind control then um

in the um 19 and 80s they started to develop  high-tech programming which are machines like uh  

virtual reality machines holograms um  high-tech torture the use of of emf um of  

different uh bursa microwaves and things they  also at that point um the the occultic groups  

were able to actually you may have seen some pet  images of the brain well the cold had access to  

technology like that about 60 years ago and  after like the 70s and 80s they were actually  

mapping out the human brain the emotion centers  the thought centers and the consciousness center  

so that they could actually pinpoint and target  and area the brain to create an emotion within  

their high-tech machines or and sense and they  also create like portable machines or helmets too  

where the person could be programmed  with vrs and actually feel the sensations  

but basically those are some of the methodologies  but the main purpose of mind control is to control  

individuals to do a specific action and to me  to maintain the secrecy of the group so that’s  

a brief run through uh do you have any questions  about that um i think you answered most of that  

history i guess i’ll go off of what you said um  you said a little bit of what they’re used for  

why are these so important why is mind control  so important to these generational cults slash  

illuminati other uh secret societies well think  about it if without mind control um people would  

remember what they’re doing and that makes them  a security risk especially some of the a lot of  

these groups have secrets they’re involved  either in illegal activities to make money  

or they’re involved in traffic such as trafficking  or other things or they’re gathering intelligence  

and they found that let’s say you have someone  who you’re using as an agent overseas to gather  

information and that person actually is identified  and questioned if if they have mind control and  

they’re completely amnesic truly amnesic they  can pass polygraph tests all kinds of tests  

and they will look innocent let’s say but the main  thing too is uh to keep the people in the groups  

they have to use various forms of mind control  or else people would leave these groups  

because a lot of people i mean the methods are  horrific they’re used i mean a child is not going  

to want to stay and be involved most children  won’t in rituals and in some of the activities  

unless they were forced to so this is a way of  psychologically pressuring and forcing the child  

to maintain the activities that that the group  wants it’s basically for its continuance and for  

its secrecy that makes sense and i think  that’s the part that a lot of people who  

might just start hearing about this that’s what’s  hard to imagine is that there are things that  

people are doing that could potentially be so bad  that they have to utilize these types of things to  

not just silence people but keep them loyal to  the the families that they’re in oh yeah yeah and  

of course the biggest part what i think though  is missing is some discussions of mind control  

i’ve seen is the role of attachment you see oh the  bad guys hurt me they terrified me and that’s why  

i was scared to leave but that’s early in healing  it takes later in healing to understand these are  

the people i love most on earth and the biggest  hole they had on me was the fact that i love them  

you know this is my father my mother my sister  my brother my cousins my best friends you know  

my lover you know whoever these three the people  i attached to growing up the people who rocked me  

nursed me fed me at least in in the some of the  occultic societies especially the ones where  

the child is raised in a facility as i was i was  raised in a facility overseas so the people that  

that that first rocked me helped me and  said i love you were the people in the group  

my mother was a member of the group my father  was you know i did not know anybody outside of  

the group my first three years of life i was  not allowed outside of a facility until then  

and so that was my whole world that’s  why it’s so hard to break free though too  

because then in order to step away from a  group like this you are breaking your entire  

attachment you’ve created through a lifetime and  that’s one of the most difficult things and most  

people who are mind-controlled their systems will  protect the person they loved most they bonded to  

most on earth because they love them love is a  much bigger motivator than fear ever could be  

that’s a really interesting point you know  that’s something you’re right but that’s  

a very missing element to you when people talk  about this love i think is just in general you  

know that’s the most powerful force in the  world that we combat and so there are ways  

to use love and to manipulate it and invert it  and you know we can think that something is love  

when really it’s you know where does that line  blur between like love and hate and you know love  

and violence it’s like it becomes so enmeshed  when you have those relationships that are so  

uh going back to programming like  i mean what age does this start  

very very young a lot of children right yes  it varies from group to group but i know that  

what mangala did and why he’s called the father of  modern programming he initiated programming in the  

womb before him that the groups usually started  the programming and mind control at about age  

two or three but what mangala showed is that the  earlier and earlier the child was indoctrinated  

he started with infants and then he went east  and then he thought well if an infant can be  

programmed what about a fetus you have  to remember that the these sophisticated  

coal groups have technology that’s at least 50  to 70 years ahead of what is available publicly  

so they had sophisticated fetal monitoring  devices and so you could program a fetus  

in the womb so let’s and what they would do  is they would insert a very tiny slender um  

flexible uh cord into the uterus and they  could shock the fetus to tell it you know  

if you ever disobey this is what happens and  the fetus will just like like you know quiver  

and shake in the womb or they can pat the womb  you know and flood the mother with um drugs that  

make her feel bliss and tell the the fetus this is  what happens when you obey us you feel happy you  

know things like that so the operant conditioning  actually begins uh prenatally uh for some of the  

more sophisticated groups such as the illuminati  the knights templar um the knights of malta

gosh yeah now when it comes to programming  um two words that i think people hear but  

they’re not they might not know what they are  would you be able to just briefly describe what  

neuro-linguistic programming or nlp and hypnosis  is because i know that that’s a big part of this  

mind control too and then we’ll kind of get into  i’ll let you talk about some types of programming  

that exists well nlp and uh hypnosis were used  very early on like in the 20s and 30s that was  

usual a mengele used it a bit but basically um  like hypnosis is when a person enters into what’s  

called a trance state it’s actually a state of  deep relaxation where the brain goes into say  

goes runs through alpha state and then slows down  and slows down and so um the person feels very  

relaxed and some of their normal inhibitions  leave and then they become very suggestible  

neuro-linguistic programming is a bit  different that’s more of of like a

a combination of body language  sensory input as well as um

in an attempt to end words and other things  to influence a person towards an attempted aim  

and so sometimes like nlp will incorporate  some techniques that could be think of as  

hypnotic for instance in nlp you might have  like a little um laser light going back and  

forth almost like with emdr but not quite to to  um and you tell the person to track the light  

and while they’re being given suggestions  but they’re still awake they’re not exact  

they’re not in the trance state necessarily  that you would be in say with um hypnosis

but anyway okay that’s a brief explanation well  i appreciate that because i think that you know  

those are two things that have been i think a lot  of people have been exposed to those words over  

the last couple years and they might have an idea  of what it is but don’t you think that between  

hollywood and books they make hypnosis look like  this crazy thing that nobody does and that it’s  

this non-sophisticated type of you know thing  that wacky doctors do and it’s actually a very  

powerful therapy for good or for bad i’ve also  you know you talk about how it can be manipulated  

in a really bad way with this programming and it  can also be super healing which is interesting too  

and a lot of people don’t realize that i think so  um yeah i think you need to be with a safe person  

and be very careful who you do that with but  there are cases where people have described  

being able to get in touch with memories and body  sensations and emotions that way but hypnosis  

is a very small part of modern programming it is  used but it’s not a primary um methodology used  

anymore it used to be but much less the closest to  hypnosis nowadays would be like if you’re sitting  

in front of your television set and you’re just  like in a total you know uh slow slower brainwave  

state and you’re more susceptible you’re not  really hypnotized but that’s about as close to  

that deep relaxed state that you’re you are more  susceptible to input at that point though than you  

might be if you were like alert and active and and  doing something a hundred percent that’s always a  

weird feeling to you whenever you get engrossed  and then somebody’s calling your name off to  

the side and you’re just zoned into the yeah and  you’re like oh yeah you were just calling me yes  

yes that zone is right on the borderline between  consciousness and a very light trans state almost

relatable for people who are like okay i can’t  imagine what hypnosis is a lot of people haven’t  

you know experienced it and it’s definitely not  covered by any insurance so it’s not something  

that people go seek usually unless you know they  might have extra money or like you said maybe find  

a good therapist and help them with that but boy i  would be real cautious because i’ve also heard of  

times when hypnosis was abused by someone seeking  therapy that way too so that’s why it’s always  

good to be careful about the practitioner you  know check them out carefully their references and  

even if you know someone who’s seen them you know  see what their experience was was like as well  

such a good tip and i think especially survivors  can probably really relate to that that’s  

something i get i’m told a lot is just how hard  it is to find and you mentioned it earlier how  

hard it is to find therapists that go out of their  way to study this stuff because it’s not something  

that you know is even in their curriculum so a lot  of them are like that’s just a conspiracy or it’s  

uh what do they call it um when it instead  of d.i.d they call it fake memory syndrome or  

something like that which is false yeah the false  memory syndrome oh man well anyway that’s a whole  

other topic you don’t want to hear my rants about  them but let’s just i will say the false memory  

syndrome their goal was to target as many of the  most effective therapists in the united states  

and give them get them with lawsuits and that’s  one reason why in the 1990s there were a lot  

of therapists working with did and ritual  abuse and occultic abuse and then suddenly  

now it’s called the satanic panic which is  a lie because um and partly that’s because  

of the litigation against the good therapists  you know so now there are people willing to  

work with it but they’re very careful  how they advertise in the words they use  

they might say i work with trauma survivors or  complex trauma you know or um cptsd but they  

normally you won’t hear people saying i work  with um did specifically or it’s rare now that  

there are exceptions to that i have some links  on my blog to um people who i know of that that  

either work with it or can or may know people that  uh can be referred and the isstd is a refreshing  

exception as well that’s the um i think it’s an  international society for this study of trauma  

disorders or something like that money white  they do have a ritual group abuse um study group  

with some excellent therapists in it and that’s  one thing i love about your blog and something  

that i loved about your book it’s not something  that i’m currently doing working with clients but  

again to to understand it it almost helps to just  uh kind of take it all apart explain what it is  

and then uh reverse engineer it so that way you  can see how it comes undone so somebody like me  

can have that big picture and i think that’s so  so so helpful that you’ve done that because i can  

only imagine how much feedback you’ve gotten from  therapists and from people who are working with  

survivors saying thank you this information  is really hard to find you know for some of  

these really extreme cases and you know breaking  through all these different layers of programming  

well i’m doing my blog now to because to help  therapists understand that this stuff is real  

um i actually it’s more dragged toward therapists  than survivors at this point because those are the  

people i i guess i got furious when i found  out what the false memory syndrome was doing  

and that’s why i share some of these things  and also because people don’t rise um how  

complex programming can be and how extensive  uh the infiltration by these societies is  

although i think people are starting to get  an idea nowadays in fact i you know some  

people say well let’s expose the illuminati  i say well look at uh your your local news  

and you’ll see them on tv almost you know  it’s it’s it’s so blatant at this point it’s  

no longer about exposing what’s going on  but sharing instead what do you do to heal  

how do you help people who are suffering from this  or who have undergone this are trying to get free

absolutely and i think it’s even helpful for  somebody like me who listens to these stories  

even if it’s just on a podcast and it’s not a  clinical setting it helps somebody like me have  

better empathy to even if they don’t want to  go into details or can’t for whatever reason  

or even if it’s not in a podcast form and it’s  just maybe a friend talking about abuse it it  

helps to get comfortable understanding these  topics so when it does come into your life  

you know how to wrap your arms around it  instead of almost repel it or get scared of it  

yeah yeah and but the main thing too is even on my  blog i just touched the tip of the iceberg because  

mind control and programming are very um  big issues and they’re going to be very  

different for each person so there’s  no one-size-fits-all with this either  

and i think that’s important to realize too that  even though i share my experiences and some of my  

information you may have another survivor  whose story is totally different than mine  

and whose needs are going to be very different  as well but the basics safety and attachment  

i believe are the common thread that run through  almost all mind control done by organized groups  

now could you talk about some of the  different types of mind control programming  

you touch on some of them in your blog the one  that i’m i’ve most recently dove into is the  

jesuit programming which was super super new to me  um if you could touch on some of those um satanic  

ritual b some ultra maybe a few of them and kind  of uh what are the differences between them do  

they belong to different societies um maybe just a  couple differentiations for people who might come  

across these terms well i think in one of my blog  posts i mentioned the hierarchy of the societies  

racial abuse and occultic abuse and mind control  there’s a huge continuum for instance it you may  

have the dabbler who some teenage kids who get a  book about paganism or wicca and decide to do a  

few rituals to go one step beyond harry potter and  then you know and do some things like that that’s  

that’s the you know local level occultism  then you have your generational families who  

may be born in podunk wherever you know on the  middle you know a small town and they kind of  

own the town and their group runs that town  and the person people in that town all know  

that there’s cult abuse going on but no one really  talks about openly but it’s it’s it’s just there  

again then you have your national groups like  the brotherhood and others in the united states  

and uh who their members are programmed from  childhood on to much more intentionally they  

have access to more um technology more funding  but then you have what are considered the

at least in the group i was in are  considered the the the 12 occultic societies  

these are your international groups and  they include groups like the illuminati  

the opus d a magnificat uh the  knights of malta the templar knights  

uh groups like that and some of the the  the also the the very well organized  

asian clients as well are considered an  international occultic society nowadays because  

they have they have tentacles everywhere  so you have these 12 societies okay then

over them all is the vatican

okay and now when i say vatican i’m not  saying your average cows like by the way  

most people in the catholic church have  no idea what’s going on behind the scenes  

you go to local i’m not talking about your local  catholic parish where it there’s probably very  

good people there where the local priest may  be fined but i’m talking about in the center  

of power at the vatican in rome and that’s where  the jesuit order is located and the jesuit order  

is actually the shadow government of the vatican  okay so they they are over all the the other 12

societies and so they um would you maybe say  that they’re the most powerful group that  

they’re up on top or yes or a differentiation  of how the groups under them look at them  

is it kind of a powerful no no no they are  the most powerful groups the other groups  

i get pay homage to them okay and  they okay so in other words um  

the illuminati in america or germany report to  rome not the other way around okay the knights  

uh the knights of malta which were in switzerland  they report to rome rome does not report to them  

is is that is that america do you have any  questions about that no that makes total sense  

yeah i think that that’s always a question that  comes up in people’s minds at least it did in mine  

is are all these societies equal and they almost  like i don’t want to say compete with each other  

but they’re just separate um or is there kind of a  way that they all look at each other like oh this  

society is above us or this one’s below us um so  i appreciate you clarifying that well i think okay  

well first of all not all the members of these  societies know about the vatican rule that they  

they’re over them like if you’re illuminati and  you’re like you know mid-level management you  

will have no idea that rome is actually that  your top leaders are reporting to rome okay  

or if you’re opus d8 you may or may not know  there there’s there’s going to be varying people  

it’s like the inner circle the top know about it  but not your typical person in those groups um

it depends these groups are territorial  they’ve they’ve divided the world up into  

different territories and they rule them  so let’s okay so today in the united states  

is obviously the illuminati we’re given mostly u.s  

the brotherhood runs parts of it and some of the  other groups too but they have a minor presence  

now if you go into say france the night the  temple or knights have a much greater presence  

yes there’s illuminati there but they’ve actually  divided france up between the templar knights and  

the illuminati there is run by the illuminati  switzerland is run by knights of malta um  

magnificat is based in italy and runs a lot and  is over quite a bit a few of the wealthy families  

there so in other words each have their region so  let’s say that i’m an illuminati member and i want  

to go to switzerland and i have a mission there  i actually have to go to the knights of malta  

leadership and say i have a mission here um and  ask their permission to enter in a sense it’s  

considered courtesy they they don’t want someone  on their grounds operating without their their  

authorization or their knowledge of what’s going  on okay or let’s say that i am a member of opus  

d.a and i have something that i need to do in  russia i would go to the russian illuminati and  

ask their permission by the way i don’t do that  but i’m just i’m just hypothetically telling  

you how it works so they work cooperatively  but they’re also very competitive as well  

now if because that’s how just a normal cult  is run through a hierarchy so that makes sense  

they would structure everything that way to where  their this group’s the highest or this leader and  

you know every place under it yeah so if you go  into another group’s territory it’s considered  

uh courtesy and also common sense  just to let the leadership there know  

i’m doing this this is how long  i’ll be here i’ll be out of there  

within two months you know blah blah blah can  you and then can you offer me resources and they  

might do that depending on if it furthers their  group’s missions they usually do you know wow  

now yeah what is what’s the difference between  the types of programming that some of these  

societies use because the jesuit they have  their own way of programming then there’s  

mechanic ritual abuse there’s mklt you don’t  have to go super in depth if you don’t want to  

into into some of them but what are some of  the maybe major differences or characteristics  

that differ between those for people who are like  they all sound similar or i don’t know what the  

differentiating factor is they’re all pretty  similar in the 12 o’clock the 12 international  

societies it’s fairly similar i mean since uh the  1970s they each have their okay there’s genetic  

labs that these groups use okay to create like  improve the dna of their individuals and and uh  

one group might purchase dna from another say  for their fetuses things like that normally um

the jesuit order usually has tried to has held on  to the most sophisticated programming but over the  

years they shared quite a bit with other groups  and mengele did too because mengele kept extensive  

databases and so rome actually allowed him to  share a certain amount with the other groups  

you know to help improve their programming um  over time but nowadays with technology with  

um the sharing of information most of the groups  have shared quite a bit of information now they  

each have proprietary programming that they  keep to themselves but in general there’s a  

lot of sharing of information because they want to  improve mind control within their members and so  

it’s often very similar not exactly the same but  very similar now uh they’re not all groups have  

their children though in say an institution or  or a facility for the first three years of life  

that is a jesuit thing um some groups will  send their children to these facilities for  

intermittent periods as they’re growing  up but we’ll host them in a family or two  

gotcha and is that generational how they decide  which child ends up where whenever they’re born  

or are there certain things that they look for  and maybe a mother or a child to determine if  

they’re in a facility or somewhere else no no  that’s just like like in the jesuits all the  

kids are raised in the facilities you know um  in the illuminati they will send their children  

out for periods of time in early childhood for  specific training but the illuminati tend to host  

their children in uh two or three host families  okay so you might have like a child an illuminati  

who’s hosted in america france and maybe another  country you know for their presentations um

knights of malta have their own facilities that  their babies go to for periods of time and their  

infants again so not all groups do 24 7 facility  programming gotcha that makes a lot of sense now  

along the lines of programming um  there are obviously negative ways that  

programming is is used and ways that there  are really horrific things used to install the  

programming into a child or whoever they’re doing  it to you are there ways that programming can be  

positive um as far as are there things that we  can access within ourselves through programming  

are there things that have been uh accessed  through programming that are actually positive  

um and that can be beneficial to somebody all  right i’m going to um i get asked this a lot  

and of course i have my own prejudices  because of my past experience but i’m gonna  

in general i think that when people say can  programming be positive i think they’re not  

actually asking about programming the way i’m  describing because what i’m describing is trauma  

based mind control and programming whereas  i think when a person changes their internal  

uh thought patterns to a more positive one i  don’t consider that programming i know some  

you know practitioners say well you’re  reprogramming your mind in a positive way

i don’t look at that so much as programming  though as because pro in my world view programming  

means the locus of control does not belong to me  but to an external person who is trying attempting  

to control me to tell me what to do whereas  when the when the locus of control is internal  

and i’m choosing to change the way i’m thinking  then that to me that is no longer programming but  

it’s actually a self-actualization or choice so  i think are there methods that allow a person to  

uh self-actualize yes i mean um  

that’s cbt dbt um thought-based therapies are all  methods where a person can change the way they  

think and volitionally through their own choice  change but i don’t consider that programming  

you know even though i know it gets mandy  about what this is reprogramming the mind well  

because of my background then when i use the  term programming say on my blog i’m talking about  

traumatic abuse of mind control which is  what the cultic societies do so that the  

groups i’m talking about never do well  they never do positive program as far as  

beneficial to the person because their  goal is to enslave and chain the person  

now will they allow positive experiences that  make the person feel happy blissful or whatever  

as part of their operant conditioning that because  there’s always a reward yes so they may give you  

feelings of safety peace happy joyful  and that’s part of their programming  

but it’s for a purpose it’s to control  the person i’ll give an example  

in programming sessions in the occultic societies  and infant is often traumatically abused but  

immediately afterwards the infant will be held and  cuddled given a bottle or breastfed by the trainer  

they will be they will be told i love  you and you did a good job because  

they want to create the bond and and in  these groups the bond is real it’s not  

it’s not the person just saying the words because  infants pick up on that and they’re not going  

to bond with someone that they believe is just  saying words they actually do love the infants  

and the infant knows that and that’s  what brings the infant back into a more  

normal state from the awful trauma they  went through and the programmers know that  

they use attachment now is that a happy positive  bliss experience yes but is it used for a bad  

purpose yes that makes sense that’s a great uh  delineation between terms i almost feel like  

kind of the positive side when people are stepping  away from it or maybe if they get out or like you  

said a person wants to change their mindset to  positive uh i wouldn’t say it’s deprogramming  

but it’s almost like you’re shedding uh belief  systems that maybe you’ve had that you’re changing  

you know yourself uh something that you learned  or you know so i can see how that can be confused  

and why a lot of people would ask that for you now  you mentioned that the abuse that you talk about  

is trauma based has that changed throughout  the years i know many many years ago decades  

ago the only way really to achieve that was  to use abuse have they modernized that are  

they using technology are there ways that are  less abusive than maybe what were in the past  

or have most of the methods been unchanged uh for  the majority of time the methods are actually more  

abusive with the use of technology i in my opinion  because they have they now have the capability  

to take neural imprints from people who have had  their arms sliced off put it into a a one of these  

machines and then put the person through a vr  and it feels exactly as if their arm is being  

sliced off so actually it’s much more traumatic  and abusive in the negative forms than in prior  

years the technology has made the abuse worse and  at the same time the reward systems they can now  

target the bliss under the brain the joy center  of the brain to create um parts who feel a great  

sense of joy and bliss when they’re doing  some of the the um actions that they want

so i believe in my opinion it’s much more  coercive and abusive than it was even before the  

technologies were developed this is not a kinder  gentler cult world we’re talking about this is  

a cult world that wants to bring in their  world leader and they want these they want  

people completely chained to him and to the  goals goals of the occultic societies and  

they’ll do whatever it takes and they  don’t want people breaking three free

the good news is people do break free i know  and people like you are just you know you’re an  

absolute walking miracle that you’re free and  that a lot of the people i’ve had on my show  

you know you look at the statistics and you might  know better than me but i read somewhere that  

i think seven percent of all people who get in  these systems make it out and that might even be  

high but regardless even if it is seven  percent that’s such a small percentage  

of people that even have a fighting chance of  being somewhere to have a voice or getting a  

home or getting a job or living something  that resembles somewhat of a normal life  

yeah but um people that want to get  out have a lot of strength as well  

and i believe god placed in our hearts our  wills and minds our will we have a human will  

we have a choice and that’s something you can go  through a lifetime of programming and it cannot  

completely take away your will it cannot take  away that part of you that says this is bullcrap  

one day i and you know one of your questions was  at what age do people leave it varies um sometimes  

people leave when they’re teenagers sometimes they  leave in their 60s but it eventually comes down to  

the person waking up and saying you know what  i’ve been lied to my entire life they lied to  

me and they lied to me because they believe the  lie see and that’s the other thing issue i have is  

sometimes i read survivor accounts it sounds like  i was a poor wounded victim and and that happens i  

i’m not saying that doesn’t happen in some cases  this when they go i was a wounded victim and the  

evil people hurt me but what they don’t rise  is those evil people were hurt too as children  

i have never met a trainer or an abuser  in these groups that was not dissociative  

and had not been tortured themselves as a  child i’m talking all the way up the chain  

i’m talking about the leaders of the leaders  people talk about the awful people who know  

what they’re doing when i was in the groups  i did not know anyone who knew what they were  

doing consciously there’s not this secret cabal of  people who consciously know oh i’m hurting people  

because you cannot as a human being we cannot come  into contact i believe with the deep satanic evil  

that these groups perpetrate and not  dissociate you go nuts otherwise i believe  

or you would go into probably emotional shocks  of some kind so from top leadership down  

people are dissociative but at some level people  know they’re being lied to we just have something  

that god put in us that says this is right and  this is wrong it is wrong to hurt children deep  

in our hearts that’s why babe infants are enraged  when they feel pain they’re not supposed to  

that’s why your teenagers will try to sometimes  run away from these groups that’s why they use  

mind control if they didn’t everybody would  be running away when they’re five years old  

or talking to their teachers left and right  so mind control is an attempt to silence  

that voice inside that says something is  wrong and there’s something better out there  

and i think for me that was one of the biggest  takeaways that i got from studying your material  

it’s not that i’m not a compassionate  person but it’s really easy to look at  

what people are capable of doing and to judge them  and to think that they’re in the same conscious  

mind that i am and to think how could somebody do  that you know so you automatically judge somebody  

and not that there shouldn’t be some judgment like  you said there’s there’s a choice too at the end  

of the day and a lot of people don’t explore  the other choice or even consider it they just  

bury it you know and there’s people like you who  weigh both choices and say ah this choice isn’t  

as good for me as this choice so i’m gonna go  with this choice but for me it’s really helped  

me look at people uh say political figures or  you know a lot of the people in the spotlight  

that get villainized and again they should  be villainized for for what they’re doing but  

to think that they’re doing this consciously it’s  incomprehensible that people could do that like  

you said like these are unconscious human beings  these are traumatic children like the traumatized  

adults that are carrying on something that  was literally like you said it could have been  

instilled in them from the time that they were  still in their in their mother’s fetus oh yeah  

you can look at political figures um and see that  blank almost shell-like look on them and you go  

oh man they worked hard on them to get them to do  that you know and it grieves me when i see that

yeah and me too now you know it’s like i said not  that i didn’t have empathy before but it’s easy  

like i feel sense learning through you i have that  emotional charge or that initial anger has been  

replaced with empathy like that’s  the first thing i go to is like  

that poor person and it’s not that i agree with  what they’re doing or that like i endorse them  

but think like gosh what did that person go  through that this is who they are today as  

an adult or an older person or middle aged or  however old they are you know like what what’s  

their story and how sad that that’s the result  of you know they never how you said broke free  

yeah at the same time survivors do have the right  to feel anger hurt and rage at those that abuse  

them so knowing that doesn’t mean you don’t get  angry because you do and and do everything you can  

to stop what is happening 100 yes there’s a way  to feel both it’s so easy to get caught up in not  

expressing both ends of the equation and to just  let that anger fester up and i think that that  

happens with a lot of people who aren’t survivors  too who are studying this they get enraged and we  

need to have some type of you know negative  emotion fueling us into action um but we also  

need to balance that through that compassionate  effort of asking that question like what did this  

adult go through as a child to make them this  person to make them this unconscious today or this  

evil for a better lack of words you know  and yeah you’re just so good i think helping  

balance out those emotions to make people say  oh i really want to do something about this  

and i feel a little bit more confident i’m not as  emotionally charged approaching these these topics  

anymore i have two sides of the story i can ask  different types of questions now instead of just  

focusing on the ones that make me mad yeah yeah  and so as far as uh you mentioned that somebody  

normally you know it can begin in the fetus  or at a a toddler age that programming begins  

yeah people start to i guess recall memory  later on in life i’d love for you to go through  

uh maybe talking about the age that that  typically happens i know it can vary and  

for some people it could even be earlier later  than an average but um and how do people how  

have you in your personal experience and then from  people that maybe you’ve dealt with or therapists  

who have talked to you about clients what’s the  process of somebody recognizing or asking and  

being able to know are these memories real am i  imagining things and kind of clearing the air for  

that realization and that breaking free  element of their mind okay um that’s going  

to be again different for each person um  i mean you could probably have several  

dozen survivors here and each one  would have a different process  

but sometimes there’s a common thread though is  that niggling feeling that something’s wrong even  

as a child growing up um even if there are music  sometimes there’s a feeling like all is not well  

on the home front but i don’t know why or the  child feels really different or the child feels  

has things in their life they can’t they can’t  explain well but they try to explain away

when they get older um i once heard  a description by someone i thought  

was wonderful they said when a person has  developed enough positive life experiences  

that they believe that they no longer deserve  to be abused they’ll try to break away from it  

i thought that was a great description when  a person gets older and especially if they’re  

intelligent or they have skills but regardless of  your of your iq that’s not what i’m talking about  

but and their innate desire to fight they may say  you know what i’m sick of this for some people  

it’s an event that makes them just realize  they’re i’m fed up i can’t take it anymore  

sometimes maybe um they lose someone they  traumatically lose lose someone in the  

group that they loved in a very ugly way  or as a punishment another person might um

see some signs of things to come in their group  and they’re not happy with the direction it’s  

going they’re rising i cannot agree with this  anymore some people just they get sick of the  

hypocrisy and they’re saying why do we have to lie  direct to each other all the time why do we have  

to abuse each other all the time why do we have to  coerce and manipulate when can i actually really  

truly love someone and it’s not either a reward or  a punishment based thing so for i think for each  

person that moment is going to be different but  when they realize that i cannot put up with this  

anymore i went out or they and they something  makes them believe it’s possible to break free  

maybe they maybe they meet someone that got out  or maybe they hear stories that make them realize  

others got out which is a big reason for my blog  and my book the number one reason maybe they

have an experience outside of their group where  they realize wait not everybody is mind controlled  

and when they have that experience in  their life or that kind of thinking then  

they will often internally make plans to break  free at some at some point and if they can keep  

that away from their programmers their internal  parts will start making a plan and when they do  

that the person will leave and that’s going to  vary for each person like i said um if a person um

i i can’t predict the age i i know that there’s  been studies that say well people that have  

amnesia tends to break in their 30s well i’ve  known people in their teens and their 20s and  

their 50s and 60s when it first broke so i i  can’t speak to that you know but what i do know  

is that when the person receives enough truth  in their life to rise that they’ve been lied to

and they have that strength of will to say well  i’m not going to put i’m going to do fight this  

with everything in me and get out then they  will and they know it’s going to be hard  

their their presentation their hosts may not know  how hard the fight’s going to be but their their  

cult host will know their back parts will  know this is oh my gosh this is giving up  

everyone i’ve loved and going into a world that  doesn’t understand what i’ve been through and  

trying to make friends and live in a world view  that’s so different from the one i was raised in

those are the tasks that the survivor faces  and lucky is the survivor who meets someone  

who is willing to walk with them through that  process you know we talk about how hard it  

is for someone who’s been trafficked  all their life to leave the the life  

it’s the same only multiplied for a member  who’s been raised in a cult setting i believe  

because at least our society accepts and  acknowledges that trafficking is real  

but there’s a lot of denial in  our society regarding ritual abuse  

still so imagine the survivor who goes into their  church setting or their support setting and saying  

i need prayer because i’m  trying to leave a cult group  

and instead with will help you  and stand by you they’re met with  

you’re scary go away well that’s a conspiracy  theory it’s not real yeah exactly syndrome yeah  

and that is not the helpful response the helpful  response is to say how can we help you what do  

you need and i think the biggest disservice is  the fact that people here in the united states  

the only time that they’ve heard of you know say  mk ultra i would say is probably the most popular  

form or name of mind control that people might  have heard even if they don’t know what it is and  

even that you know they said stopped in the 60s  so there’s such a stigma around oh this doesn’t  

even happen anymore you know you weren’t born with  back then or before then and you know that was a  

cia program they didn’t use test subjects and you  know there’s so much misunderstanding on that i i  

i have a response to that how often has our  government do you believe lied to people

exactly come on do you really  think that our department of  

justice and our government and the  us government is telling the truth  

i know that’s the part that boggles my mind  i’m like when historically have we ever  

not years later been like oh that was a lie that  was a lie that was fine from everything even  

nutrition you know there’s so many things  that they’ve lied to us about and we’re  

we still every time they say something people  are like oh i’m gonna believe that like they’re  

telling the truth this time it’s like we have an  abusive relationship with our government you know  

yeah yeah it is and i think that if anyone  who believes that mk ultra st stopped in the  

60s that’s when they stopped allowing freedom  information act uh to uh to retrieve documents  

because the people had already retrieved the  documents it’s been going on since then but but  

they’re not going to open themselves up to further  lawsuits i mean they’ve settled for for uh tons of  

money behind the scenes with survivors in the  past for what happened in the 50s and i don’t  

think they’re going to they don’t want to open  themselves up to criticism so what’s the easiest  

way just lie just say oh it’s stopped we don’t do  it anymore we’re good people now exactly i’m sorry  

yeah all those scientists that were studying  little kids and doing those things oh well they  

just decided to become good people and stop  doing those nasty things right right not right  

exactly or after nazi germany ended it all ended  and you know people just went back to their lives  

and that never continued again you know it’s  so interesting the narratives that come up and  

if they’re told yeah many years people buy into it  eventually especially as new generations come up  

now you have anything else or is there anything  that you would like to say that we didn’t get to  

talk about to survivors or listeners about  anything that we talked about today or is  

there anything that we left out just that um i  want people to know it is possible to get out  

it is possible um i i’m not gonna i don’t want  to make it sound too difficult but it’s really  

it’s a journey be aware that it’s a journey if  you fall down during your journey um pick your  

ask god to pick you up or pick yourself  back up keep trying don’t give in um

mind control can be broken and anytime a person  can find a real love in their life it really helps  

someone who’s not part of an abusive group  anytime you can find a safe person who  

they will not totally replace what’s lost but  who can be part of your journey that’s i really  

recommend that as well you know that’s not always  possible and if you don’t have that pray for it  

ask god to bring that into your life you know  um and keep searching for solutions for options

um the other thing is um i’ve been criticized  for being too christian but i do believe that my  

faith is the number one thing in  my life that helped me get out um

the love of god held me during some of  my worst times i would not have survived  

some of the memories i had personally without that  love helping me through it um i know everyone’s  

different and i’m there maybe there are people who  have the strength to go through trauma remembering  

without that and i admire that but for me  personally it was knowing that there’s a god  

who loves me and cares for me who is good and  this is and by the way how can god be good with  

what people go through that’s all that could  be a whole other hour debate on your show and i  

don’t want to delve into that right now but  ultimately i do believe he is good regardless

of what happens and i believe that he  is going to make things right one day  

you know you hear a lot about well you know  the antar crisis coming in the you know the  

illuminati are taking over the world but there  is a verse in scripture that says the government  

is on his meaning jesus’s shoulders there is  one who will one day govern with truth and  

righteousness and it will not be the antichrist  it will be the true god and his loving care  

and that’s a hope too that everyone can hang  on to okay okay i love that that’s one of the  

things that i love most about your literature is  you’re very graphic and detailed with the truth  

but you’re so hopeful too and providing  solutions for people like therapists and  

giving tools to survivors and you know even for me  i get a different perspective reading it to where  

i can not only have more hope but more tools  and i can see the hopeful side of it you know  

and being able to use the truth to empower is so  important instead of letting it debilitate you and  

i just want to commend you for that and thank  you so much for coming on here svali it’s such an  

honor to have you on here and to share your voice  where can people find you and where’s your book  

can you tell us about where to find your blog and  anywhere else that you’re out online for people  

who want to connect with you well i’ve got a a  blog it’s a word press blog it’s smalliespeaks  

again dot wordpress.com okay and you just type  in smally speaks again and it should come up uh  

my book is it’s not impossible and um that  had but i’ve really tried to cover my blog  

a lot of the things are in it too because  i feel this information is so important  

that people understand how how this stuff  works and that it is possible to find healing  

um but it’s on my blog you know or on amazon  you know you can find just type in svali and  

and you’ll find it on amazon okay i encourage  everybody please go dive into her blog get her  

books um like i said the one that i have breaking  free of cult programming it’s helped me understand  

details of a bigger picture that i was struggling  to put together in my head of okay i know that  

this exists but what are the details and like how  does how does it work on on somebody or in general  

and i believe nobody has done a better job at  putting this material together than swally so  

smallie thank you so much for being here it’s been  such an honor to get to talk to you and for people  

listening thank you so much for listening  i’m going to link all of us folly’s links  

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these voices and these stories and to help us get  the information out so svali thank you again so  

much for being here today okay and thank you  emma all right god bless you have a good day  

you too god bless you too with survivors  we see you we hear you and we stand by you




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heavenly father today we put on the full armor  to protect us against attack we put on the belt  

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of truth to protect against lies and deception  we put on the breastplate of righteousness to  

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protect our hearts from the temptations we put the  gospel of peace on our feet to walk in your light  

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peace and freedom with the holy spirit we rebuke  anxious thoughts we take up your shield of faith  

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for protection to block and destroy all the darts  and threats thrown at us by the enemy we put on  

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the helmet of salvation to cover our minds and  thoughts reminding us that we are children of a  

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mighty king we are forgiven set free saved by the  blood of jesus we take up the sword of the spirit  

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your living word that has the power  to demolish strongholds and is sharper  

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than any double-edged sword we come to you in  prayer daily in jesus mighty name we pray amen

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hey you guys welcome to another  episode of the imagination  

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i’m your host emma and today i’m honored to  introduce to you someone i have learned so  

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much from who i believe has one of the most  important voices on the planet right now  

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folly aka svali speaks for those of you who follow  her online some of you may know her online from  

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her folly speaks blog or her folly speaks book  collection she’s authored and here’s one of the  

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the books that she’s had that i’ve had the honor  of reading um spolly broke free from her group  

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several years ago she used to be a programmer in  the cult and now she wants to share the knowledge  

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that she has to help others it is possible to  break free of cult abuse if a person is involved  

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it’s a long heartbreaking process but well worth  it all in the consent she has publicly provided  

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and made easily accessible to all she hopes to  help the survivor of cult abuse find tools to help  

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in their journey towards freedom spally thank  you so much for being here with me today  

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well thank you for having me too i appreciate  it it’s such an honor um i’m more recent to  

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learning about you over the last few months  whenever i reached out to you and i immediately  

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went and bought your book breaking free of cult  programming and it just had the most tremendous  

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impact on me you know it’s like it’s not easy  learning about these topics but for somebody  

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like me who’s passionate about learning and who’s  never personally experienced it something such as  

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programming or cults it’s like i i have my own  idea of what that could be but your readings  

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and your book and your blog have just been key in  accelerating my learning so i’m absolutely honored  

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to having you on here and i think a lot of people  listening are going to be able to connect those  

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dots themselves on some of these topics so for  people who may not have heard of you or who may be  

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new to your story can you give us some background  and insight on your upbringing and your backstory

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okay i’ll do it briefly um well i when i  was in my early 30s i started to remember  

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my cold abuse before that i was amnesic i went  through quite a process of working through  

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memories um at that time i was searching for  someone who could help me understand what i was  

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going through even though i was in therapy with  someone who had information and knowledge about  

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cults and programming this was in the mid-1990s  they didn’t know much and when i started to share  

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with them with them my stuff they said i’ve never  heard of this and i remember saying well how did i  

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break free from it and they said just about react  all my lands you know and i wanted validation too  

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and that’s why i wrote my first blog because i  was really seeking um i went i knew others would  

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go through what i was i want them to  have the validation i couldn’t find  

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and why i had support from several people  um it’s been a long journey i at one point i  

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spent two years with a friend of mine in texas  did some intensive time of journaling prayer  

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um basically worked on my own pretty much with  god’s help and my friends that were supportive  

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they gave me a safe place tons of memories  started coming out then too and um eventually you  

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know i knew enough about my system to get a good  understanding of what programming was in place um  

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over the years i’ve struggled to get free i’ve  struggled with a lot of harassment as i did so  

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um there’ve been a couple times when um i did get  sucked back in it was very traumatic it was very  

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terrible and then i had to work twice as hard  afterwards to get free again and so my book um  

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it’s not impossible is based on that because  i realize that sometimes when a person has  

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complex programming it’s easy to think there’s  no way you can get out there’s no way to get free  

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and that’s not true people do get free um it’s not  easy always and i go into some of the reasons why  

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you know in my on my blog if if you read it but  i my main desire is to help people find a source  

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of help and truth um i want to encourage people  not to give up i want to encourage people that  

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i’m a strong christian and for me  that’s personally a source of help  

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that if you can find enough love in  your life i found in god’s love and  

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my friend’s love but if you can find that  and enough safety it is possible to heal

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yeah i really encourage people to read  your blog and i know we’ll talk about that  

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a little bit more later but as someone who  is extremely knowledgeable on mind control  

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would you mind giving us the history backstory  of mind control programming and its use in  

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secret societies such as i’ll use the one the  illuminati yeah well first of all i’m gonna i  

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want to correct something um i’m not all that  knowledgeable on mind control because anyone  

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raised in any of these sophisticated cults is  going to have quite a good grasp of programming  

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these groups teach their children to  become programmers from an early age  

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so anyone who’s been raised in any say any  of the 12 big occultic societies has a pretty  

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extensive knowledge of mind control from their  experience and also doing it to others the  

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difference is not every survivor is willing  to discuss mind control for various reasons  

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it could be fear of retaliation or other things so  i just considered myself a person who is willing  

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to talk about it more than as an authority if  that makes sense well you know it does it’s  

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more for people like me and i know a lot of  the listeners it’s it’s kind of a 101 to we  

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look at you as the ones who are going to help  educate us so to us you’re super knowledgeable  

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but that makes a lot of sense that there’s a  lot of people across the planet that have the  

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you know extensive knowledge oh yeah yeah oh  yeah a history of mind control well how much time

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as much time as you need well let’s see mind  control has been around probably ever since  

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the first secret societies i i’m thinking back  to ancient babylon when they had rituals and  

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people were sworn to keep something secret you  know i’m talking about biblical times probably  

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um even back then there was some  amount of mind control but it’s not  

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the same as it is today historically um up until  the early 1900s mind control was mainly rituals  

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in other words the writ the the ritual itself was  the mind control and the mind control was a ritual  

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for many secret societies so that might be  something where you have a child who’s hung you  

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know who’s hung in a well and still we won’t bring  you up and unless you promise never to tell or  

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being buried alive or um the child is taught  how to build a wall you know using um i’m sorry  

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i’m being graphic too by the way but but using  human bodies as as a mortar to build the wall  

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to create amnesia those are ancient rituals  they’ve been around for all thousands of years  

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and that was probably the type of mind  control you saw until the early 1900s  

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in the early 1900s the shift started  though in which the focus became  

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not just during the ritual which was effective  in fragmenting a child and getting them to  

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keep the secrecy but into more of a  scientific mind control or modern mind control  

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and starting around 1912 um the emphasis became on  people started to ask how can we make this better  

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and that’s the difference between modern  mind control and ancient mind control  

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they start using the scientific method to  look at behavior attachment because basically  

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mind control is a manipulation of a child’s  need to be feel safe or to have attachment  

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in order to get a desired result i mean you can  basically those are the two things because in  

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most mind control methods they will take  away the child’s feeling of either safety  

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or they will threaten them with abandonment or  lack of love to coerce them and or the destruction  

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of loved ones which is a form of destruction of  attachment in order to get the child to do what  

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they want so starting in about 1912 you started  to see your behavioral scientists like b.f skinner  

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and some of the others introduced operant  conditioning and that became part of mind control  

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then fast forward to the late 1930s early 1940s  and that’s when mengele and some others were  

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also investigating mind control as well  and in fact in nazi germany mengela was  

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doing a much more extensive experiments than have  been ever documented but that’s a whole other  

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topic that i’m not going to dive into right  now um he’s considered the father of modern  

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programming by many groups because he’s collected  extensive databases then he collected databases  

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on what he called endpoint experiments which  was to see what the limits of human tolerance  

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for certain things were and endpoint meaning  death either psychological or physical death  

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and then aft after mengele of course and at  the same time the japanese also were also doing  

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huge mind control experiments people don’t talk  a lot about that but the asian societies and  

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the japanese were also doing similar  things during the world war afterwards um

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uh programming became more and more sophisticated  you saw programs like mk ultra developed in the  

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united states for its mind control or  the mi6 the greenhouse over in the uk  

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which actually had children at  greenhouse being trained and taught to  

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you had other mind control programs around  the world then starting or either starting or  

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else continuing in a more sophisticated level so  government came in and also the military came in  

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too with their they called them my lab or military  lab program indoctrinated mind control then um

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in the um 19 and 80s they started to develop  high-tech programming which are machines like uh  

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virtual reality machines holograms um  high-tech torture the use of of emf um of  

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different uh bursa microwaves and things they  also at that point um the the occultic groups  

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were able to actually you may have seen some pet  images of the brain well the cold had access to  

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technology like that about 60 years ago and  after like the 70s and 80s they were actually  

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mapping out the human brain the emotion centers  the thought centers and the consciousness center  

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so that they could actually pinpoint and target  and area the brain to create an emotion within  

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their high-tech machines or and sense and they  also create like portable machines or helmets too  

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where the person could be programmed  with vrs and actually feel the sensations  

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but basically those are some of the methodologies  but the main purpose of mind control is to control  

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individuals to do a specific action and to me  to maintain the secrecy of the group so that’s  

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a brief run through uh do you have any questions  about that um i think you answered most of that  

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history i guess i’ll go off of what you said um  you said a little bit of what they’re used for  

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why are these so important why is mind control  so important to these generational cults slash  

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illuminati other uh secret societies well think  about it if without mind control um people would  

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remember what they’re doing and that makes them  a security risk especially some of the a lot of  

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these groups have secrets they’re involved  either in illegal activities to make money  

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or they’re involved in traffic such as trafficking  or other things or they’re gathering intelligence  

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and they found that let’s say you have someone  who you’re using as an agent overseas to gather  

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information and that person actually is identified  and questioned if if they have mind control and  

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they’re completely amnesic truly amnesic they  can pass polygraph tests all kinds of tests  

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and they will look innocent let’s say but the main  thing too is uh to keep the people in the groups  

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they have to use various forms of mind control  or else people would leave these groups  

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because a lot of people i mean the methods are  horrific they’re used i mean a child is not going  

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to want to stay and be involved most children  won’t in rituals and in some of the activities  

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unless they were forced to so this is a way of  psychologically pressuring and forcing the child  

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to maintain the activities that that the group  wants it’s basically for its continuance and for  

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its secrecy that makes sense and i think  that’s the part that a lot of people who  

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might just start hearing about this that’s what’s  hard to imagine is that there are things that  

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people are doing that could potentially be so bad  that they have to utilize these types of things to  

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not just silence people but keep them loyal to  the the families that they’re in oh yeah yeah and  

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of course the biggest part what i think though  is missing is some discussions of mind control  

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i’ve seen is the role of attachment you see oh the  bad guys hurt me they terrified me and that’s why  

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i was scared to leave but that’s early in healing  it takes later in healing to understand these are  

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the people i love most on earth and the biggest  hole they had on me was the fact that i love them  

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you know this is my father my mother my sister  my brother my cousins my best friends you know  

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my lover you know whoever these three the people  i attached to growing up the people who rocked me  

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nursed me fed me at least in in the some of the  occultic societies especially the ones where  

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the child is raised in a facility as i was i was  raised in a facility overseas so the people that  

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that that first rocked me helped me and  said i love you were the people in the group  

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my mother was a member of the group my father  was you know i did not know anybody outside of  

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the group my first three years of life i was  not allowed outside of a facility until then  

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and so that was my whole world that’s  why it’s so hard to break free though too  

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because then in order to step away from a  group like this you are breaking your entire  

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attachment you’ve created through a lifetime and  that’s one of the most difficult things and most  

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people who are mind-controlled their systems will  protect the person they loved most they bonded to  

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most on earth because they love them love is a  much bigger motivator than fear ever could be  

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that’s a really interesting point you know  that’s something you’re right but that’s  

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a very missing element to you when people talk  about this love i think is just in general you  

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know that’s the most powerful force in the  world that we combat and so there are ways  

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to use love and to manipulate it and invert it  and you know we can think that something is love  

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when really it’s you know where does that line  blur between like love and hate and you know love  

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and violence it’s like it becomes so enmeshed  when you have those relationships that are so  

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uh going back to programming like  i mean what age does this start  

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very very young a lot of children right yes  it varies from group to group but i know that  

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what mangala did and why he’s called the father of  modern programming he initiated programming in the  

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womb before him that the groups usually started  the programming and mind control at about age  

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two or three but what mangala showed is that the  earlier and earlier the child was indoctrinated  

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he started with infants and then he went east  and then he thought well if an infant can be  

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programmed what about a fetus you have  to remember that the these sophisticated  

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coal groups have technology that’s at least 50  to 70 years ahead of what is available publicly  

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so they had sophisticated fetal monitoring  devices and so you could program a fetus  

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in the womb so let’s and what they would do  is they would insert a very tiny slender um  

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flexible uh cord into the uterus and they  could shock the fetus to tell it you know  

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if you ever disobey this is what happens and  the fetus will just like like you know quiver  

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and shake in the womb or they can pat the womb  you know and flood the mother with um drugs that  

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make her feel bliss and tell the the fetus this is  what happens when you obey us you feel happy you  

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know things like that so the operant conditioning  actually begins uh prenatally uh for some of the  

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more sophisticated groups such as the illuminati  the knights templar um the knights of malta

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gosh yeah now when it comes to programming  um two words that i think people hear but  

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they’re not they might not know what they are  would you be able to just briefly describe what  

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neuro-linguistic programming or nlp and hypnosis  is because i know that that’s a big part of this  

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mind control too and then we’ll kind of get into  i’ll let you talk about some types of programming  

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that exists well nlp and uh hypnosis were used  very early on like in the 20s and 30s that was  

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usual a mengele used it a bit but basically um  like hypnosis is when a person enters into what’s  

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called a trance state it’s actually a state of  deep relaxation where the brain goes into say  

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goes runs through alpha state and then slows down  and slows down and so um the person feels very  

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relaxed and some of their normal inhibitions  leave and then they become very suggestible  

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neuro-linguistic programming is a bit  different that’s more of of like a

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a combination of body language  sensory input as well as um

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in an attempt to end words and other things  to influence a person towards an attempted aim  

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and so sometimes like nlp will incorporate  some techniques that could be think of as  

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hypnotic for instance in nlp you might have  like a little um laser light going back and  

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forth almost like with emdr but not quite to to  um and you tell the person to track the light  

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and while they’re being given suggestions  but they’re still awake they’re not exact  

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they’re not in the trance state necessarily  that you would be in say with um hypnosis

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but anyway okay that’s a brief explanation well  i appreciate that because i think that you know  

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those are two things that have been i think a lot  of people have been exposed to those words over  

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the last couple years and they might have an idea  of what it is but don’t you think that between  

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hollywood and books they make hypnosis look like  this crazy thing that nobody does and that it’s  

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this non-sophisticated type of you know thing  that wacky doctors do and it’s actually a very  

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powerful therapy for good or for bad i’ve also  you know you talk about how it can be manipulated  

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in a really bad way with this programming and it  can also be super healing which is interesting too  

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and a lot of people don’t realize that i think so  um yeah i think you need to be with a safe person  

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and be very careful who you do that with but  there are cases where people have described  

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being able to get in touch with memories and body  sensations and emotions that way but hypnosis  

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is a very small part of modern programming it is  used but it’s not a primary um methodology used  

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anymore it used to be but much less the closest to  hypnosis nowadays would be like if you’re sitting  

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in front of your television set and you’re just  like in a total you know uh slow slower brainwave  

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state and you’re more susceptible you’re not  really hypnotized but that’s about as close to  

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that deep relaxed state that you’re you are more  susceptible to input at that point though than you  

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might be if you were like alert and active and and  doing something a hundred percent that’s always a  

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weird feeling to you whenever you get engrossed  and then somebody’s calling your name off to  

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the side and you’re just zoned into the yeah and  you’re like oh yeah you were just calling me yes  

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yes that zone is right on the borderline between  consciousness and a very light trans state almost

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relatable for people who are like okay i can’t  imagine what hypnosis is a lot of people haven’t  

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you know experienced it and it’s definitely not  covered by any insurance so it’s not something  

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that people go seek usually unless you know they  might have extra money or like you said maybe find  

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a good therapist and help them with that but boy i  would be real cautious because i’ve also heard of  

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times when hypnosis was abused by someone seeking  therapy that way too so that’s why it’s always  

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good to be careful about the practitioner you  know check them out carefully their references and  

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even if you know someone who’s seen them you know  see what their experience was was like as well  

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such a good tip and i think especially survivors  can probably really relate to that that’s  

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something i get i’m told a lot is just how hard  it is to find and you mentioned it earlier how  

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hard it is to find therapists that go out of their  way to study this stuff because it’s not something  

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that you know is even in their curriculum so a lot  of them are like that’s just a conspiracy or it’s  

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uh what do they call it um when it instead  of d.i.d they call it fake memory syndrome or  

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something like that which is false yeah the false  memory syndrome oh man well anyway that’s a whole  

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other topic you don’t want to hear my rants about  them but let’s just i will say the false memory  

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syndrome their goal was to target as many of the  most effective therapists in the united states  

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and give them get them with lawsuits and that’s  one reason why in the 1990s there were a lot  

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of therapists working with did and ritual  abuse and occultic abuse and then suddenly  

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now it’s called the satanic panic which is  a lie because um and partly that’s because  

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of the litigation against the good therapists  you know so now there are people willing to  

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work with it but they’re very careful  how they advertise in the words they use  

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they might say i work with trauma survivors or  complex trauma you know or um cptsd but they  

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normally you won’t hear people saying i work  with um did specifically or it’s rare now that  

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there are exceptions to that i have some links  on my blog to um people who i know of that that  

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either work with it or can or may know people that  uh can be referred and the isstd is a refreshing  

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exception as well that’s the um i think it’s an  international society for this study of trauma  

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disorders or something like that money white  they do have a ritual group abuse um study group  

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with some excellent therapists in it and that’s  one thing i love about your blog and something  

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that i loved about your book it’s not something  that i’m currently doing working with clients but  

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again to to understand it it almost helps to just  uh kind of take it all apart explain what it is  

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and then uh reverse engineer it so that way you  can see how it comes undone so somebody like me  

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can have that big picture and i think that’s so  so so helpful that you’ve done that because i can  

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only imagine how much feedback you’ve gotten from  therapists and from people who are working with  

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survivors saying thank you this information  is really hard to find you know for some of  

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these really extreme cases and you know breaking  through all these different layers of programming  

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well i’m doing my blog now to because to help  therapists understand that this stuff is real  

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um i actually it’s more dragged toward therapists  than survivors at this point because those are the  

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people i i guess i got furious when i found  out what the false memory syndrome was doing  

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and that’s why i share some of these things  and also because people don’t rise um how  

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complex programming can be and how extensive  uh the infiltration by these societies is  

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although i think people are starting to get  an idea nowadays in fact i you know some  

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people say well let’s expose the illuminati  i say well look at uh your your local news  

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and you’ll see them on tv almost you know  it’s it’s it’s so blatant at this point it’s  

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no longer about exposing what’s going on  but sharing instead what do you do to heal  

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how do you help people who are suffering from this  or who have undergone this are trying to get free

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absolutely and i think it’s even helpful for  somebody like me who listens to these stories  

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even if it’s just on a podcast and it’s not a  clinical setting it helps somebody like me have  

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better empathy to even if they don’t want to  go into details or can’t for whatever reason  

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or even if it’s not in a podcast form and it’s  just maybe a friend talking about abuse it it  

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helps to get comfortable understanding these  topics so when it does come into your life  

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you know how to wrap your arms around it  instead of almost repel it or get scared of it  

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yeah yeah and but the main thing too is even on my  blog i just touched the tip of the iceberg because  

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mind control and programming are very um  big issues and they’re going to be very  

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different for each person so there’s  no one-size-fits-all with this either  

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and i think that’s important to realize too that  even though i share my experiences and some of my  

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information you may have another survivor  whose story is totally different than mine  

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and whose needs are going to be very different  as well but the basics safety and attachment  

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i believe are the common thread that run through  almost all mind control done by organized groups  

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now could you talk about some of the  different types of mind control programming  

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you touch on some of them in your blog the one  that i’m i’ve most recently dove into is the  

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jesuit programming which was super super new to me  um if you could touch on some of those um satanic  

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ritual b some ultra maybe a few of them and kind  of uh what are the differences between them do  

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they belong to different societies um maybe just a  couple differentiations for people who might come  

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across these terms well i think in one of my blog  posts i mentioned the hierarchy of the societies  

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racial abuse and occultic abuse and mind control  there’s a huge continuum for instance it you may  

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have the dabbler who some teenage kids who get a  book about paganism or wicca and decide to do a  

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few rituals to go one step beyond harry potter and  then you know and do some things like that that’s  

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that’s the you know local level occultism  then you have your generational families who  

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may be born in podunk wherever you know on the  middle you know a small town and they kind of  

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own the town and their group runs that town  and the person people in that town all know  

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that there’s cult abuse going on but no one really  talks about openly but it’s it’s it’s just there  

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again then you have your national groups like  the brotherhood and others in the united states  

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and uh who their members are programmed from  childhood on to much more intentionally they  

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have access to more um technology more funding  but then you have what are considered the

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at least in the group i was in are  considered the the the 12 occultic societies  

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these are your international groups and  they include groups like the illuminati  

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the opus d a magnificat uh the  knights of malta the templar knights  

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uh groups like that and some of the the  the also the the very well organized  

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asian clients as well are considered an  international occultic society nowadays because  

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they have they have tentacles everywhere  so you have these 12 societies okay then

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over them all is the vatican

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okay and now when i say vatican i’m not  saying your average cows like by the way  

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most people in the catholic church have  no idea what’s going on behind the scenes  

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you go to local i’m not talking about your local  catholic parish where it there’s probably very  

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good people there where the local priest may  be fined but i’m talking about in the center  

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of power at the vatican in rome and that’s where  the jesuit order is located and the jesuit order  

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is actually the shadow government of the vatican  okay so they they are over all the the other 12

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societies and so they um would you maybe say  that they’re the most powerful group that  

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they’re up on top or yes or a differentiation  of how the groups under them look at them  

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is it kind of a powerful no no no they are  the most powerful groups the other groups  

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i get pay homage to them okay and  they okay so in other words um  

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the illuminati in america or germany report to  rome not the other way around okay the knights  

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uh the knights of malta which were in switzerland  they report to rome rome does not report to them  

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is is that is that america do you have any  questions about that no that makes total sense  

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yeah i think that that’s always a question that  comes up in people’s minds at least it did in mine  

32:53

is are all these societies equal and they almost  like i don’t want to say compete with each other  

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but they’re just separate um or is there kind of a  way that they all look at each other like oh this  

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society is above us or this one’s below us um so  i appreciate you clarifying that well i think okay  

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well first of all not all the members of these  societies know about the vatican rule that they  

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they’re over them like if you’re illuminati and  you’re like you know mid-level management you  

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will have no idea that rome is actually that  your top leaders are reporting to rome okay  

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or if you’re opus d8 you may or may not know  there there’s there’s going to be varying people  

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it’s like the inner circle the top know about it  but not your typical person in those groups um

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it depends these groups are territorial  they’ve they’ve divided the world up into  

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different territories and they rule them  so let’s okay so today in the united states  

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is obviously the illuminati we’re given mostly u.s  

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the brotherhood runs parts of it and some of the  other groups too but they have a minor presence  

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now if you go into say france the night the  temple or knights have a much greater presence  

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yes there’s illuminati there but they’ve actually  divided france up between the templar knights and  

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the illuminati there is run by the illuminati  switzerland is run by knights of malta um  

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magnificat is based in italy and runs a lot and  is over quite a bit a few of the wealthy families  

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there so in other words each have their region so  let’s say that i’m an illuminati member and i want  

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to go to switzerland and i have a mission there  i actually have to go to the knights of malta  

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leadership and say i have a mission here um and  ask their permission to enter in a sense it’s  

34:51

considered courtesy they they don’t want someone  on their grounds operating without their their  

34:56

authorization or their knowledge of what’s going  on okay or let’s say that i am a member of opus  

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d.a and i have something that i need to do in  russia i would go to the russian illuminati and  

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ask their permission by the way i don’t do that  but i’m just i’m just hypothetically telling  

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you how it works so they work cooperatively  but they’re also very competitive as well  

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now if because that’s how just a normal cult  is run through a hierarchy so that makes sense  

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they would structure everything that way to where  their this group’s the highest or this leader and  

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you know every place under it yeah so if you go  into another group’s territory it’s considered  

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uh courtesy and also common sense  just to let the leadership there know  

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i’m doing this this is how long  i’ll be here i’ll be out of there  

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within two months you know blah blah blah can  you and then can you offer me resources and they  

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might do that depending on if it furthers their  group’s missions they usually do you know wow  

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now yeah what is what’s the difference between  the types of programming that some of these  

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societies use because the jesuit they have  their own way of programming then there’s  

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mechanic ritual abuse there’s mklt you don’t  have to go super in depth if you don’t want to  

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into into some of them but what are some of  the maybe major differences or characteristics  

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that differ between those for people who are like  they all sound similar or i don’t know what the  

36:31

differentiating factor is they’re all pretty  similar in the 12 o’clock the 12 international  

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societies it’s fairly similar i mean since uh the  1970s they each have their okay there’s genetic  

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labs that these groups use okay to create like  improve the dna of their individuals and and uh  

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one group might purchase dna from another say  for their fetuses things like that normally um

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the jesuit order usually has tried to has held on  to the most sophisticated programming but over the  

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years they shared quite a bit with other groups  and mengele did too because mengele kept extensive  

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databases and so rome actually allowed him to  share a certain amount with the other groups  

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you know to help improve their programming um  over time but nowadays with technology with  

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um the sharing of information most of the groups  have shared quite a bit of information now they  

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each have proprietary programming that they  keep to themselves but in general there’s a  

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lot of sharing of information because they want to  improve mind control within their members and so  

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it’s often very similar not exactly the same but  very similar now uh they’re not all groups have  

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their children though in say an institution or  or a facility for the first three years of life  

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that is a jesuit thing um some groups will  send their children to these facilities for  

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intermittent periods as they’re growing  up but we’ll host them in a family or two  

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gotcha and is that generational how they decide  which child ends up where whenever they’re born  

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or are there certain things that they look for  and maybe a mother or a child to determine if  

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they’re in a facility or somewhere else no no  that’s just like like in the jesuits all the  

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kids are raised in the facilities you know um  in the illuminati they will send their children  

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out for periods of time in early childhood for  specific training but the illuminati tend to host  

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their children in uh two or three host families  okay so you might have like a child an illuminati  

38:44

who’s hosted in america france and maybe another  country you know for their presentations um

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knights of malta have their own facilities that  their babies go to for periods of time and their  

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infants again so not all groups do 24 7 facility  programming gotcha that makes a lot of sense now  

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along the lines of programming um  there are obviously negative ways that  

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programming is is used and ways that there  are really horrific things used to install the  

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programming into a child or whoever they’re doing  it to you are there ways that programming can be  

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positive um as far as are there things that we  can access within ourselves through programming  

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are there things that have been uh accessed  through programming that are actually positive  

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um and that can be beneficial to somebody all  right i’m going to um i get asked this a lot  

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and of course i have my own prejudices  because of my past experience but i’m gonna  

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in general i think that when people say can  programming be positive i think they’re not  

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actually asking about programming the way i’m  describing because what i’m describing is trauma  

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based mind control and programming whereas  i think when a person changes their internal  

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uh thought patterns to a more positive one i  don’t consider that programming i know some  

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you know practitioners say well you’re  reprogramming your mind in a positive way

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i don’t look at that so much as programming  though as because pro in my world view programming  

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means the locus of control does not belong to me  but to an external person who is trying attempting  

40:39

to control me to tell me what to do whereas  when the when the locus of control is internal  

40:47

and i’m choosing to change the way i’m thinking  then that to me that is no longer programming but  

40:53

it’s actually a self-actualization or choice so  i think are there methods that allow a person to  

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uh self-actualize yes i mean um  

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that’s cbt dbt um thought-based therapies are all  methods where a person can change the way they  

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think and volitionally through their own choice  change but i don’t consider that programming  

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you know even though i know it gets mandy  about what this is reprogramming the mind well  

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because of my background then when i use the  term programming say on my blog i’m talking about  

41:30

traumatic abuse of mind control which is  what the cultic societies do so that the  

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groups i’m talking about never do well  they never do positive program as far as  

41:42

beneficial to the person because their  goal is to enslave and chain the person  

41:47

now will they allow positive experiences that  make the person feel happy blissful or whatever  

41:53

as part of their operant conditioning that because  there’s always a reward yes so they may give you  

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feelings of safety peace happy joyful  and that’s part of their programming  

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but it’s for a purpose it’s to control  the person i’ll give an example  

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in programming sessions in the occultic societies  and infant is often traumatically abused but  

42:20

immediately afterwards the infant will be held and  cuddled given a bottle or breastfed by the trainer  

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they will be they will be told i love  you and you did a good job because  

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they want to create the bond and and in  these groups the bond is real it’s not  

42:39

it’s not the person just saying the words because  infants pick up on that and they’re not going  

42:43

to bond with someone that they believe is just  saying words they actually do love the infants  

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and the infant knows that and that’s  what brings the infant back into a more  

42:56

normal state from the awful trauma they  went through and the programmers know that  

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they use attachment now is that a happy positive  bliss experience yes but is it used for a bad  

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purpose yes that makes sense that’s a great uh  delineation between terms i almost feel like  

43:19

kind of the positive side when people are stepping  away from it or maybe if they get out or like you  

43:24

said a person wants to change their mindset to  positive uh i wouldn’t say it’s deprogramming  

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but it’s almost like you’re shedding uh belief  systems that maybe you’ve had that you’re changing  

43:36

you know yourself uh something that you learned  or you know so i can see how that can be confused  

43:42

and why a lot of people would ask that for you now  you mentioned that the abuse that you talk about  

43:48

is trauma based has that changed throughout  the years i know many many years ago decades  

43:54

ago the only way really to achieve that was  to use abuse have they modernized that are  

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they using technology are there ways that are  less abusive than maybe what were in the past  

44:06

or have most of the methods been unchanged uh for  the majority of time the methods are actually more  

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abusive with the use of technology i in my opinion  because they have they now have the capability  

44:21

to take neural imprints from people who have had  their arms sliced off put it into a a one of these  

44:29

machines and then put the person through a vr  and it feels exactly as if their arm is being  

44:34

sliced off so actually it’s much more traumatic  and abusive in the negative forms than in prior  

44:41

years the technology has made the abuse worse and  at the same time the reward systems they can now  

44:48

target the bliss under the brain the joy center  of the brain to create um parts who feel a great  

44:54

sense of joy and bliss when they’re doing  some of the the um actions that they want

45:02

so i believe in my opinion it’s much more  coercive and abusive than it was even before the  

45:09

technologies were developed this is not a kinder  gentler cult world we’re talking about this is  

45:15

a cult world that wants to bring in their  world leader and they want these they want  

45:23

people completely chained to him and to the  goals goals of the occultic societies and  

45:28

they’ll do whatever it takes and they  don’t want people breaking three free

45:34

the good news is people do break free i know  and people like you are just you know you’re an  

45:41

absolute walking miracle that you’re free and  that a lot of the people i’ve had on my show  

45:46

you know you look at the statistics and you might  know better than me but i read somewhere that  

45:50

i think seven percent of all people who get in  these systems make it out and that might even be  

45:57

high but regardless even if it is seven  percent that’s such a small percentage  

46:02

of people that even have a fighting chance of  being somewhere to have a voice or getting a  

46:07

home or getting a job or living something  that resembles somewhat of a normal life  

46:14

yeah but um people that want to get  out have a lot of strength as well  

46:20

and i believe god placed in our hearts our  wills and minds our will we have a human will  

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we have a choice and that’s something you can go  through a lifetime of programming and it cannot  

46:30

completely take away your will it cannot take  away that part of you that says this is bullcrap  

46:38

one day i and you know one of your questions was  at what age do people leave it varies um sometimes  

46:45

people leave when they’re teenagers sometimes they  leave in their 60s but it eventually comes down to  

46:51

the person waking up and saying you know what  i’ve been lied to my entire life they lied to  

46:58

me and they lied to me because they believe the  lie see and that’s the other thing issue i have is  

47:06

sometimes i read survivor accounts it sounds like  i was a poor wounded victim and and that happens i  

47:12

i’m not saying that doesn’t happen in some cases  this when they go i was a wounded victim and the  

47:17

evil people hurt me but what they don’t rise  is those evil people were hurt too as children  

47:25

i have never met a trainer or an abuser  in these groups that was not dissociative  

47:30

and had not been tortured themselves as a  child i’m talking all the way up the chain  

47:37

i’m talking about the leaders of the leaders  people talk about the awful people who know  

47:41

what they’re doing when i was in the groups  i did not know anyone who knew what they were  

47:45

doing consciously there’s not this secret cabal of  people who consciously know oh i’m hurting people  

47:55

because you cannot as a human being we cannot come  into contact i believe with the deep satanic evil  

48:02

that these groups perpetrate and not  dissociate you go nuts otherwise i believe  

48:10

or you would go into probably emotional shocks  of some kind so from top leadership down  

48:17

people are dissociative but at some level people  know they’re being lied to we just have something  

48:24

that god put in us that says this is right and  this is wrong it is wrong to hurt children deep  

48:30

in our hearts that’s why babe infants are enraged  when they feel pain they’re not supposed to  

48:36

that’s why your teenagers will try to sometimes  run away from these groups that’s why they use  

48:42

mind control if they didn’t everybody would  be running away when they’re five years old  

48:47

or talking to their teachers left and right  so mind control is an attempt to silence  

48:55

that voice inside that says something is  wrong and there’s something better out there  

49:02

and i think for me that was one of the biggest  takeaways that i got from studying your material  

49:09

it’s not that i’m not a compassionate  person but it’s really easy to look at  

49:14

what people are capable of doing and to judge them  and to think that they’re in the same conscious  

49:20

mind that i am and to think how could somebody do  that you know so you automatically judge somebody  

49:25

and not that there shouldn’t be some judgment like  you said there’s there’s a choice too at the end  

49:30

of the day and a lot of people don’t explore  the other choice or even consider it they just  

49:34

bury it you know and there’s people like you who  weigh both choices and say ah this choice isn’t  

49:41

as good for me as this choice so i’m gonna go  with this choice but for me it’s really helped  

49:46

me look at people uh say political figures or  you know a lot of the people in the spotlight  

49:51

that get villainized and again they should  be villainized for for what they’re doing but  

49:56

to think that they’re doing this consciously it’s  incomprehensible that people could do that like  

50:01

you said like these are unconscious human beings  these are traumatic children like the traumatized  

50:07

adults that are carrying on something that  was literally like you said it could have been  

50:11

instilled in them from the time that they were  still in their in their mother’s fetus oh yeah  

50:16

you can look at political figures um and see that  blank almost shell-like look on them and you go  

50:23

oh man they worked hard on them to get them to do  that you know and it grieves me when i see that

50:32

yeah and me too now you know it’s like i said not  that i didn’t have empathy before but it’s easy  

50:37

like i feel sense learning through you i have that  emotional charge or that initial anger has been  

50:45

replaced with empathy like that’s  the first thing i go to is like  

50:48

that poor person and it’s not that i agree with  what they’re doing or that like i endorse them  

50:53

but think like gosh what did that person go  through that this is who they are today as  

50:58

an adult or an older person or middle aged or  however old they are you know like what what’s  

51:03

their story and how sad that that’s the result  of you know they never how you said broke free  

51:11

yeah at the same time survivors do have the right  to feel anger hurt and rage at those that abuse  

51:18

them so knowing that doesn’t mean you don’t get  angry because you do and and do everything you can  

51:25

to stop what is happening 100 yes there’s a way  to feel both it’s so easy to get caught up in not  

51:33

expressing both ends of the equation and to just  let that anger fester up and i think that that  

51:38

happens with a lot of people who aren’t survivors  too who are studying this they get enraged and we  

51:43

need to have some type of you know negative  emotion fueling us into action um but we also  

51:49

need to balance that through that compassionate  effort of asking that question like what did this  

51:54

adult go through as a child to make them this  person to make them this unconscious today or this  

52:01

evil for a better lack of words you know  and yeah you’re just so good i think helping  

52:06

balance out those emotions to make people say  oh i really want to do something about this  

52:10

and i feel a little bit more confident i’m not as  emotionally charged approaching these these topics  

52:16

anymore i have two sides of the story i can ask  different types of questions now instead of just  

52:21

focusing on the ones that make me mad yeah yeah  and so as far as uh you mentioned that somebody  

52:30

normally you know it can begin in the fetus  or at a a toddler age that programming begins  

52:36

yeah people start to i guess recall memory  later on in life i’d love for you to go through  

52:44

uh maybe talking about the age that that  typically happens i know it can vary and  

52:48

for some people it could even be earlier later  than an average but um and how do people how  

52:54

have you in your personal experience and then from  people that maybe you’ve dealt with or therapists  

52:59

who have talked to you about clients what’s the  process of somebody recognizing or asking and  

53:04

being able to know are these memories real am i  imagining things and kind of clearing the air for  

53:12

that realization and that breaking free  element of their mind okay um that’s going  

53:19

to be again different for each person um  i mean you could probably have several  

53:27

dozen survivors here and each one  would have a different process  

53:31

but sometimes there’s a common thread though is  that niggling feeling that something’s wrong even  

53:38

as a child growing up um even if there are music  sometimes there’s a feeling like all is not well  

53:45

on the home front but i don’t know why or the  child feels really different or the child feels  

53:53

has things in their life they can’t they can’t  explain well but they try to explain away

54:00

when they get older um i once heard  a description by someone i thought  

54:07

was wonderful they said when a person has  developed enough positive life experiences  

54:13

that they believe that they no longer deserve  to be abused they’ll try to break away from it  

54:17

i thought that was a great description when  a person gets older and especially if they’re  

54:23

intelligent or they have skills but regardless of  your of your iq that’s not what i’m talking about  

54:28

but and their innate desire to fight they may say  you know what i’m sick of this for some people  

54:35

it’s an event that makes them just realize  they’re i’m fed up i can’t take it anymore  

54:41

sometimes maybe um they lose someone they  traumatically lose lose someone in the  

54:46

group that they loved in a very ugly way  or as a punishment another person might um

54:55

see some signs of things to come in their group  and they’re not happy with the direction it’s  

55:00

going they’re rising i cannot agree with this  anymore some people just they get sick of the  

55:05

hypocrisy and they’re saying why do we have to lie  direct to each other all the time why do we have  

55:10

to abuse each other all the time why do we have to  coerce and manipulate when can i actually really  

55:16

truly love someone and it’s not either a reward or  a punishment based thing so for i think for each  

55:25

person that moment is going to be different but  when they realize that i cannot put up with this  

55:30

anymore i went out or they and they something  makes them believe it’s possible to break free  

55:36

maybe they maybe they meet someone that got out  or maybe they hear stories that make them realize  

55:43

others got out which is a big reason for my blog  and my book the number one reason maybe they

55:54

have an experience outside of their group where  they realize wait not everybody is mind controlled  

56:02

and when they have that experience in  their life or that kind of thinking then  

56:09

they will often internally make plans to break  free at some at some point and if they can keep  

56:15

that away from their programmers their internal  parts will start making a plan and when they do  

56:21

that the person will leave and that’s going to  vary for each person like i said um if a person um

56:31

i i can’t predict the age i i know that there’s  been studies that say well people that have  

56:35

amnesia tends to break in their 30s well i’ve  known people in their teens and their 20s and  

56:41

their 50s and 60s when it first broke so i i  can’t speak to that you know but what i do know  

56:47

is that when the person receives enough truth  in their life to rise that they’ve been lied to

56:56

and they have that strength of will to say well  i’m not going to put i’m going to do fight this  

57:01

with everything in me and get out then they  will and they know it’s going to be hard  

57:07

their their presentation their hosts may not know  how hard the fight’s going to be but their their  

57:14

cult host will know their back parts will  know this is oh my gosh this is giving up  

57:19

everyone i’ve loved and going into a world that  doesn’t understand what i’ve been through and  

57:25

trying to make friends and live in a world view  that’s so different from the one i was raised in

57:34

those are the tasks that the survivor faces  and lucky is the survivor who meets someone  

57:40

who is willing to walk with them through that  process you know we talk about how hard it  

57:46

is for someone who’s been trafficked  all their life to leave the the life  

57:50

it’s the same only multiplied for a member  who’s been raised in a cult setting i believe  

57:57

because at least our society accepts and  acknowledges that trafficking is real  

58:02

but there’s a lot of denial in  our society regarding ritual abuse  

58:08

still so imagine the survivor who goes into their  church setting or their support setting and saying  

58:16

i need prayer because i’m  trying to leave a cult group  

58:20

and instead with will help you  and stand by you they’re met with  

58:25

you’re scary go away well that’s a conspiracy  theory it’s not real yeah exactly syndrome yeah  

58:35

and that is not the helpful response the helpful  response is to say how can we help you what do  

58:42

you need and i think the biggest disservice is  the fact that people here in the united states  

58:49

the only time that they’ve heard of you know say  mk ultra i would say is probably the most popular  

58:56

form or name of mind control that people might  have heard even if they don’t know what it is and  

59:01

even that you know they said stopped in the 60s  so there’s such a stigma around oh this doesn’t  

59:06

even happen anymore you know you weren’t born with  back then or before then and you know that was a  

59:11

cia program they didn’t use test subjects and you  know there’s so much misunderstanding on that i i  

59:18

i have a response to that how often has our  government do you believe lied to people

59:27

exactly come on do you really  think that our department of  

59:32

justice and our government and the  us government is telling the truth  

59:37

i know that’s the part that boggles my mind  i’m like when historically have we ever  

59:42

not years later been like oh that was a lie that  was a lie that was fine from everything even  

59:49

nutrition you know there’s so many things  that they’ve lied to us about and we’re  

59:52

we still every time they say something people  are like oh i’m gonna believe that like they’re  

59:56

telling the truth this time it’s like we have an  abusive relationship with our government you know  

60:02

yeah yeah it is and i think that if anyone  who believes that mk ultra st stopped in the  

60:08

60s that’s when they stopped allowing freedom  information act uh to uh to retrieve documents  

60:18

because the people had already retrieved the  documents it’s been going on since then but but  

60:24

they’re not going to open themselves up to further  lawsuits i mean they’ve settled for for uh tons of  

60:31

money behind the scenes with survivors in the  past for what happened in the 50s and i don’t  

60:37

think they’re going to they don’t want to open  themselves up to criticism so what’s the easiest  

60:43

way just lie just say oh it’s stopped we don’t do  it anymore we’re good people now exactly i’m sorry  

60:52

yeah all those scientists that were studying  little kids and doing those things oh well they  

60:56

just decided to become good people and stop  doing those nasty things right right not right  

61:03

exactly or after nazi germany ended it all ended  and you know people just went back to their lives  

61:10

and that never continued again you know it’s  so interesting the narratives that come up and  

61:15

if they’re told yeah many years people buy into it  eventually especially as new generations come up  

61:21

now you have anything else or is there anything  that you would like to say that we didn’t get to  

61:26

talk about to survivors or listeners about  anything that we talked about today or is  

61:31

there anything that we left out just that um i  want people to know it is possible to get out  

61:39

it is possible um i i’m not gonna i don’t want  to make it sound too difficult but it’s really  

61:46

it’s a journey be aware that it’s a journey if  you fall down during your journey um pick your  

61:54

ask god to pick you up or pick yourself  back up keep trying don’t give in um

62:03

mind control can be broken and anytime a person  can find a real love in their life it really helps  

62:14

someone who’s not part of an abusive group  anytime you can find a safe person who  

62:21

they will not totally replace what’s lost but  who can be part of your journey that’s i really  

62:27

recommend that as well you know that’s not always  possible and if you don’t have that pray for it  

62:33

ask god to bring that into your life you know  um and keep searching for solutions for options

62:43

um the other thing is um i’ve been criticized  for being too christian but i do believe that my  

62:50

faith is the number one thing in  my life that helped me get out um

62:58

the love of god held me during some of  my worst times i would not have survived  

63:04

some of the memories i had personally without that  love helping me through it um i know everyone’s  

63:13

different and i’m there maybe there are people who  have the strength to go through trauma remembering  

63:19

without that and i admire that but for me  personally it was knowing that there’s a god  

63:25

who loves me and cares for me who is good and  this is and by the way how can god be good with  

63:33

what people go through that’s all that could  be a whole other hour debate on your show and i  

63:38

don’t want to delve into that right now but  ultimately i do believe he is good regardless

63:47

of what happens and i believe that he  is going to make things right one day  

63:53

you know you hear a lot about well you know  the antar crisis coming in the you know the  

63:58

illuminati are taking over the world but there  is a verse in scripture that says the government  

64:03

is on his meaning jesus’s shoulders there is  one who will one day govern with truth and  

64:11

righteousness and it will not be the antichrist  it will be the true god and his loving care  

64:21

and that’s a hope too that everyone can hang  on to okay okay i love that that’s one of the  

64:29

things that i love most about your literature is  you’re very graphic and detailed with the truth  

64:35

but you’re so hopeful too and providing  solutions for people like therapists and  

64:39

giving tools to survivors and you know even for me  i get a different perspective reading it to where  

64:45

i can not only have more hope but more tools  and i can see the hopeful side of it you know  

64:50

and being able to use the truth to empower is so  important instead of letting it debilitate you and  

64:55

i just want to commend you for that and thank  you so much for coming on here svali it’s such an  

64:59

honor to have you on here and to share your voice  where can people find you and where’s your book  

65:04

can you tell us about where to find your blog and  anywhere else that you’re out online for people  

65:07

who want to connect with you well i’ve got a a  blog it’s a word press blog it’s smalliespeaks  

65:15

again dot wordpress.com okay and you just type  in smally speaks again and it should come up uh  

65:26

my book is it’s not impossible and um that  had but i’ve really tried to cover my blog  

65:34

a lot of the things are in it too because  i feel this information is so important  

65:40

that people understand how how this stuff  works and that it is possible to find healing  

65:47

um but it’s on my blog you know or on amazon  you know you can find just type in svali and  

65:54

and you’ll find it on amazon okay i encourage  everybody please go dive into her blog get her  

66:01

books um like i said the one that i have breaking  free of cult programming it’s helped me understand  

66:08

details of a bigger picture that i was struggling  to put together in my head of okay i know that  

66:13

this exists but what are the details and like how  does how does it work on on somebody or in general  

66:19

and i believe nobody has done a better job at  putting this material together than swally so  

66:24

smallie thank you so much for being here it’s been  such an honor to get to talk to you and for people  

66:30

listening thank you so much for listening  i’m going to link all of us folly’s links  

66:34

show notes so you can go down and just click here  or whatever platform you’re on to go connect with  

66:39

her and start digging into her stuff more um if  you guys like this podcast share it with anybody  

66:47

share it on your social media put it on your  website uh send it to a friend whatever you can  

66:53

do to help us raise this algorithm obviously  these topics aren’t the number one pick in  

66:58

on youtube and on a lot of these platforms so we  depend a lot on you guys listening to help elevate  

67:04

these voices and these stories and to help us get  the information out so svali thank you again so  

67:09

much for being here today okay and thank you  emma all right god bless you have a good day  

67:15

you too god bless you too with survivors  we see you we hear you and we stand by you

English

cathyfoxblog social media links

UK Press Cuttings and Research Databases on Child Sexual Abuse

Bloggers and Tweeters on Child Sexual Abuse UK

US /World Child Trafficking, Child Abuse, SRA, Illuminati etc

(some may be out of date twitter accounts but may be useful for finding the archives)

Healing Resources

Deprogramwiki https://deprogramwiki.com/

Fiona Barnetts Wide Open Updated Lockdown Edition https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2020/06/23/fionas-barnetts-eyes-wide-open-updated-lockdown-edition/

Svali Resources https://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/resources/

Cathy O’Brien e book

Sunlight?

Posts with Important Links for Individuals

[100] 2020 Apr 27 cathyfoxblog Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier – Illuminati Whistleblowers https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2020/04/27/cisco-wheeler-and-fritz-springmeier-illuminati-whistleblowers/

[101] 2020 Apr 25 cathyfoxblog Svali, Illuminati Structure and Mind Control https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2020/04/25/svali-illuminati-structure-and-mind-control/

[102] 2021 Oct 10 cathyfoxblog Child Trafficking by the Jesuits https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2021/10/10/child-sex-trafficking-by-the-jesuits/

[103] cathyfoxblog Links of cathyfoxblog Posts 2013 – 2021 https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/links-of-cathyfoxblog-posts-2013-2021/

[104] 2020 Sept 21 cathyfoxblog Fiona Barnett’s Long Goodbye https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2020/09/21/fiona-barnetts-long-goodbye/

[105] J

Links still incomplete

Covid 19

Vaccination Reactions

Europe -EUDRA [206] https://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html

UK

[200] https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports

[201] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#annex-1-vaccine-analysis-profile

USA VAERS

Open Vaers [202] https://openvaers.com/ allows browsing and searching of the reports

[203] https://vaers.hhs.gov/

Moon [] https://www.mooninfo.org/moon-phases/2021.html

Sayings

The truth will out, the truth will shout, the truth will set us free

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” – Edmund Burke

“He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers.” Charles Peguy

To sin by silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men  – Ella Wheeler Wilcox

Every time we act in the face of fear, we dilute it’s power and increase our confidence

Only the small secrets need to be protected, the large ones are kept secret by public incredulity – Marshall McLuhan

Let justice be done though the heavens fall – Fiat justitia ruat cælum

Put the enemy at unease by making information they do not want known to be known…

The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.  FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover

If you have found this post useful, please post on other social media – facebook, instagram, pinterest, gab, twitter, anonup,  – whichever ones you are on. This is most helpful to spread the information. The people who do this are essential. Thankyou.

I am not connected to anyones Patreon accounts, nor do I receive any money for my writing. I believe it is important to provide this information not hidden behind paywalls, and yes I suffer financial hardship for doing so.

I will not commit suicide and if it appears I have, then people may judge for themselves why this is so, after blogging these exposes of the top level of these “orders”. I do not wish to live in the kind of world that the psychopathic orders want to bring in, which is a world wholly and absolutely controlled by them. They commit horrific crimes of child rape, child torture, child cannibalism, child mind control and much more, which is why I wish to speak out and expose them. This carries some risk but if I am killed or go silent, my wish is for more people to tell the truth, they cannot kill us all… please set up your own blogs… replace me 100 fold…

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6 Responses to Svali Speaks

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  2. mengenlehre says:

    Great, thanks for posting with the transcript!

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  3. flyingcuttlefish says:

    this blog covers oddities at the Vatican – and this story is strange –
    https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2019/12/12/pope-blesses-pachamama/

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