There is no doubt the authoritarian, psychopathic and tyrannical control freaks have not given up on trying to control us. Masks are one of the weapons that they get us to use on ourselves to perpetuate fear with a highly visible symbol as well as to show peoples submission to their propaganda.
We must be prepared and we must act globally to help whichever country or people the criminal cabal is attacking next time. Although there is a lull at this time in England it is a good time to prepare information and resources so that we can fight back. Here are some articles on masks as well as many mask memes and photos for when they try… Looking back at some of the photos it’s a reminder of the absolute lunacy that we allowed them to dictate to us. We must kick back harder this next time.
I have roughly sorted the links so the first few are those that list or will lead to many more articles. The next set are children – its imperative that they do not normalise their lunacy on children. Then some more mask articles. Then follow a couple of hundred mask memes and photos, many absurd!
Feel free to put other useful links in the comments
[Ma28] 2021 Mar ACP Journals Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers
Many people are not interested in hearing what Tommy Robinson has to say.
I get that.
I will say this. I think he is genuinely concerned for the victims and survivors of child sexual abuse. He is also learning as he goes along, he recognises some of his faults and the problems of how people perceive him. He recognises that he may not even be the right person to expose this, as it should be non political. He is doing some very good work and no-one is doing what he is doing to the extent he is doing it.
My prime concern is for the survivors, the victims, the children, and Tommy Robinson is helping them.
If you have doubts about Tommy then watch Episode 3 first, with Sarah, and how he now helps her. She wanted nothing to do with Tommy previously due to his politics, but she watched previous episodes of The Rape of Britain, rang him and asked to speak to him.
Sarah ran away at aged 13, I guess a decade or so ago, to live with a 42 year old man, her abuser. She was pregnant at 14. She received no help from social services or the police. What is going on in those organisations? Sarah wasn’t even interviewed by the 2013 Police investigation Operation Chalice into child abuse in Telford, despite having a thick Police file. The abuse now has been going on for generations, yet it is still going on with many or most victims not being helped and perpetrators hardly being touched. Why?
Tommy helps Sarah to get some training to be able to help others.
In my 10 years experience of writing about child sexual abuse, then overwhelmingly what survivors want is to prevent other children having to go through what they themselves went through. This empowers her and is healing for her.
Clicking on the photos will open the videos in a new tab.
2022 Jan 29 Tommy Robinson The Rape Of Britain Episode 1 – Nicole’s Story [1]
2022 May 10 Tommy Robinson The Rape of Britain: Episode 2 – The Family Business[2]
2022 Jun 26 Tommy Robinson The Rape Of Britain – Episode 3 – S.A.V.E [3]
2022 Sept 3 Tommy Robinson Rumble The Rape of Britain Episode 4 Ahmed Nawas[28]
If you want to see or help Sarah’s organisation SAVE, Survivors of Abuse Violence and Exploitation, see this link… [4]
If you want to help Tommy’s organisation see Urban Scoop News [5]
The Report of the Independent Inquiry Telford Child Sexual Exploitation was released on Jul 12 2022. Release of Crowther Report – Independent Inquiry – Telford Child Sexual Exploitation [25]
2022 Jul 12 Release of Crowther Report – Independent Inquiry – Telford Child Sexual Exploitation[25]
There is a racial element to this abuse that is undeniable. The aim should be to stop any child sexual abuse and trafficking, help the survivors and bring to justice the perpetrators. Why isn’t that happening? Tommy Robinson is trying to do something, whatever you think his motives are. What are you doing?
Racism or perceptions of racism should no longer be used as an excuse to allow child sexual abuse and trafficking to continue.
Telford Abuse partial Timeline
1970’s Organised abuse going back at least as far as 1970’s
2013 May 10 BBC Operation Chalice: Child sex abuse case concludes[20]
2013 May 10 BBC Telford faces up to child sex abuse cases[23]
2013 May 10 Shropshire Star Telford gang is jailed for sexually abusing girls[22]
2013 May 22 Channel 4 Britain’s Sex Gangs: Tazeen Ahmad feature[21]
2016 Operation Chalice
2017 Dec 10 Independent British-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: ‘It’s very important we talk about it’[18]
2018 Mar 11 Mirror Britain’s ‘worst ever’ child grooming scandal exposed: Hundreds of young girls raped, beaten, sold for sex and some even KILLED[14]
2018 Mar 13 Shropshire Star Telford back in spotlight over child sex abuse claims [9]
2018 Mar 19 Shropshire Star West Mercia Police chief hits out at ‘simply not true’ claims regarding Telford sex abuse [6]
2020 Jan 6 Ella Cockbain, Waqas Tufail Failing victims, fuelling hate: challenging the harms of the ‘Muslim grooming gangs’ narrative[19]
2020 Dec Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation Characteristics of Offending[17]
2022 Jan 29 Tommy Robinson The Rape Of Britain – Nicole’s Story[1]
2022 May 10 Tommy Robinson The Rape of Britain: Episode 2 – The Family Business[2]
2022 Jun 26 Tommy Robinson The Rape Of Britain – Episode 3 – S.A.V.E [3]
2022 Jul 12 Release of Crowther Report – Independent Inquiry – Telford Child Sexual Exploitation [25]
2022 Jul 12 BBC Telford child sex abuse went on for generations, inquiry finds[12]
[4] SAVE http://www.savetelford.com Survivors of Abuse Violence and Exploitation and also stands for Support Advocacy and Victim Empowerment.
[5] Urban Scoop News Please support our work here, become a member of our production team, without your help we couldn’t do this – https://urbanscoop.news/supportus/
Having spent hours researching Gloria Vanderbilt for my article Gloria Vanderbilt and the Rising of the antiChrist[3] and Illuminati Sacrifices, Magick, Rituals and Gloria Vanderbilt [4] I have more than a passing interest in the Vanderbilts. This documentary is interesting in many respects.
I had never heard of the underground tunnels at Asheville nor that the East Coast of the USA was actually New Netherlands for 50 years and much else, including some very interesting symbolism.
I have also copied the autotranscript and the shownotes. Click on photo below to open video in new tab.
Welcome to BILTMORE UNVEILED Today, we have a really long video, really if you are planning on watching this quick trust me it will take a while but it’s worth it. I feel this may be our biggest video, for lots of reasons, but it really can assist someone new to this subject to understand how we may have been lied to when it comes to who really built America and all these old world buildings. We cover the history of the Robber Barons, specifically the VANDERBILTS, and their origins. You will hear some things that they like to gloss over when it comes to mainstream history and biographies, but after bringing them back to light, we can then begin to question the entire story behind these wealthy New York Aristocrats. Afterward, we learn about Asheville NC, there is a really interesting story on the origins of this town and how it is deeply connected with New York. We essentially ask the question of whether the Vanderbilts truly got their riches on their own. Starting as noble farmers working their way from poor to being one of the richest men on the world, or is there something else going on with this story. After the history lesson, we finally get to Biltmore Unveiled: We cover the main counter-argument The History of the Biltmore Our experience going there Our final thoughts and review Hope you all enjoy this one, let us know your thoughts in the comments!!! Come Join the Discord, Chat/Chill, Share, and become a Researcher!:
0:13 introduction welcome this video is not something that you’ll
0:20 just watch quickly while sipping your morning coffee or for laying down and relaxing
0:26 this video is a research project you may need to watch it multiple times
0:32 to begin let me ask you a question do you believe the mainstream narrative
0:39 this is a yes or no question you can’t be halfway on it because what we’re about to cover is drastically different
0:45 from what we’ve been taught in the schools many will reject this information and most likely respond with scorn and
0:52 attacks most likely because these vanderbilts are essentially worshiped
0:57 i ask you do you believe in the mainstream narrative and to be more specific i mean in
1:03 regards to the robert barons the people who literally created modern america
1:08 the gilded age do you believe the story we are given in regards to these wealthy capitalists who
1:14 supposedly lived rags to riches they just worked hard to get where they were and just so happened to get lucky
1:21 and become the richest people on the planet then they continued to achieve some of the most advanced architectural and
1:28 technological leaps ever seen for this time period if you believe that these men truly
1:33 built america and built all these old world structures in america then let me redirect you i think you
1:38 landed on the wrong video [Music] here the history channel the best source
1:43 for us to learn about our history let’s see what they have to offer oh look
1:49 a new show on the gilded age and robber barons this must be everything we need to know
1:54 you can go watch this if you believe the story they tell us you know it’s kind of insane that they made this
2:01 it’s kind of some weird drama that continues this age-long propaganda involving some characters that have some
2:08 shady histories it’s sad that people just accept these stories without any questions
2:14 i thought the history channel was there to educate us well i believe that these robber barons and
2:21 all their achievements deserve to be questioned i mean after all the vanderbilts were literally
2:27 the richest people on the planet they were the kings and queens of america these robber barons were the rock stars
2:33 the first celebrities they were the bill gates mixed with the kardashians but this was a hundred years
2:39 ago and they essentially set the standard they had massive yachts
2:44 mansions and properties the likes of which have never been truly matched the media in the history books covered
2:51 for them and painted them as the heroes of america the great philanthropist but they were not immune to criticism
2:58 they say these detractors were just other competitors who were jealous but they had many critiques throughout time
3:05 one of the most popular rumors was that cornelius vanderbilt obtained his riches out of nowhere that he was cruel stern
3:12 and hated all of his kids except the only one of them that showed slight promise
3:18 it’s said that they were in cahoots with many state legislators and then anyone who disagreed with him within his family
3:24 including his mother and his wife would be sent to an asylum if that isn’t suspicious enough
3:30 no other american dynasty can match the amount of european gothic mansions that they built
3:35 another family has them as well preserved and intact so we must start with the vanderbilts
3:42 there’s even more to cover but in order to fully present my case we must first cover the history of the vanderbilt from an alternative point of
3:48 view and yes that means questioning the status quo
3:54 the dutch
3:59 so when it comes to the vanderbilts the story always starts with the cornelius vanderbilt or the commodore
4:06 but what does that even mean in what is his past the issue becomes that when you want to
4:12 look into their past the biographers want to paint cornelius and the whole family of vanderbilt as
4:18 slowly working their way to riches that is crucial for them to support their claims to their wealth
4:25 like i said their main critiques is that they were upstarts or people that gain a mouse amount of wealth from nowhere in
4:32 other words an industry plant so of course when you read into this they’re going to tell you that people
4:38 named vanderbilt slowly built a property and wealth just as these small town
4:43 dutch farmers in new york what they won’t tell you is that this seems to be part of some type of secret
4:50 royal family once you start to just dig a little bit deeper we are talking about is the dutch
4:57 colonization of america now we have to understand how america was being operated by multiple different
5:04 forces during this time period but were these multiple forces
5:09 no these were vatican known forces let’s just take a look at a map for a second
5:15 all of europe was owned by the venetians at this point and i can prove that by just looking at the heraldry
5:22 first we have to start with the dutch golden age which was also called the dutch miracle
5:28 what we have to understand is that each one of these countries was essentially a corporation in the eyes of the
5:34 phoenician ancient families that then became the venetians if you’re new and that’s confusing
5:40 you’ll have to watch our other videos to get a full breakdown on that transition but you really don’t even need to know that
5:46 just look it’s called leobelgus latin for the bellic lion
5:52 which was used in both heraldry and map design to symbolize the former lower countries with the shape of a lion
5:59 look at this you can even see the florida lee i thought this was a french symbol what
6:05 about the double-headed phoenix why is this on a dutch map it’s also accompanied by the dutch
6:11 maiden the national personification of the dutch republic my research focuses on a lot of
6:17 alternative history and usually that involves diving into old maps and coat of arms
6:23 once you’ve looked at these enough you begin to notice a theme they’re using these symbols as a way to
6:29 communicate to break this down the lion is the
6:35 symbol of venice but this power is manifesting in one of her corporations the dutch empire which
6:42 also manifests in the dutch east india company you will see these symbols everywhere this is crucial to take note
6:48 of the maiden symbol is even more telling she is typically depicted wearing a roman or venetian garment and with a
6:55 lion by her side this is telling you that the dutch were doing the dirty work for the vatican but
7:01 it wasn’t just the dutch it was all of europe and spreading quickly both west and east
7:06 just look at this heraldry are we supposed to believe that these were all just independent nations and after all
7:12 the vatican did rule all of europe for 1500 years why can’t we ask if it ever ended
7:19 but there is one that i want you to look at that you must not forget as it is essential to understanding my point for later in the video
7:25 look at this coat of arms notice two griffins holding up a knight’s helmet
7:31 you will see this in many coat of arms but why is this in the book of hours from the early 1500s
7:37 this is what is referred to as the headless knight it’s a royal symbol and it refers to the
7:43 hidden rulers which are the ancient phoenician families with their power center being venice and rome
7:49 a common theme as you will see later in this video is that when the wealthy move to another city they bring all their
7:55 buddies and they essentially get another corporation started in fact there are several similarities
8:01 between the venice and amsterdam these were the urban elites of europe and anyone with a study of world history
8:07 know this to be true amsterdam is literally called the venice of the north
8:12 both the netherlands and italy were both having a renaissance period during this time in the early 16th century
8:18 there’s also this interesting read comparing the culture between venice and amsterdam i’ll leave the reference in
8:24 the description but essentially the elite of venice we’re moving operations to places like leiden university where
8:30 if we look at the coat of arms you can see who owns it now i could continue to show you the
8:35 similarities and connections but i honestly think it’s its own video and the coat of arms of all these nations
8:42 should be the proof you need but if you want more let’s move on to the dutch east india company
8:48 this is another very important history we must understand if we’re going to see the connection later on
8:55 after this dutch golden age which was because they merged with what was happening in italy eventually the
9:01 official united east india company was started in 1602 we are told is a simple charter company
9:08 for spices but what this was simply was the first ever international global supply chain
9:14 that created the biggest company that ever existed in recorded history this again is its own video but
9:21 essentially this is the first global company the start of global capitalism and you don’t
9:27 think the wealthy elite at the time had their hands in this supposedly this company are the same
9:33 people who moved around all the slaves from africa to america they tell us millions
9:40 imagine how much money we’re talking about here they weren’t merchants this was
9:45 literally a military power government and it was even an agricultural producer
9:52 you could call an entire entity of its own obviously with it being a corporation
9:58 but there’s a dark history behind this company and it involves population resets taking control of industry behind
10:06 the scenes and moving people into newly renovated old world cities
10:11 to give you a perspective on how rich this company really was which again was its own entity in
10:17 country they were worth more than apple google and facebook combined
10:23 7.8 trillion being the first supposed global capitalism
10:28 right they dominated the free market still this number means nothing because
10:34 you have to understand how much money was in circulation back then it doesn’t mean the same now
10:40 so they were even richer than that you don’t think there’s something else going on with that story
10:47 let me give you a hint whenever you want to know what’s going on with who is in control behind the
10:52 scenes just type in coat of arms why is there a headless knight
10:58 a lion is a mermaid phoenician symbolism a fleur de lis and an upside down
11:04 pentagram why is that their coat of arms
11:09 you have to understand that symbols are everything to these elite that will be one of our biggest tools in
11:14 this journey the first van der built
11:22 okay so now let’s try to trace down the first vanderbilt now what we need to know is that before
11:28 new york was new york it was new netherlands for some reason they don’t really teach
11:33 about this in school or really any of the biographies but the new netherlands were a colony of
11:40 the dutch west india company it wasn’t just new york it was essentially the entire east coast
11:46 of the united states that’s important to note later it was conceived by the dutch west india
11:52 company the confusing part is that they separated dutch west and east into two
11:58 separate companies for some reason but they are the same entity remember i told you that they were like
12:05 a country so at this time they say the early 1600s they began their own country
12:10 in america called new netherlands what we do know is that early
12:17 vanderbilts were a part of aristocratic new york clubs such as the holland society
12:23 here’s what the holland society of new york has to say quote in 1609 englishman henry hudson
12:30 sailed for the third time to the western hemisphere looking for a shortcut to asia under the
12:36 employ of the dutch east india company he sailed into what is now new york
12:43 harbor on his famous boat delhave maine in search of profitable ventures in the
12:49 new world and to restrain the influences of rival nations associations of dutch
12:56 merchants and traders followed hudson to america the former colonization began
13:01 about 1623 the area was called new netherland and remained under dutch rule for 40 years
13:08 even though the dutch relinquished their role to the english in 1664 and again in 1675 a half century of their heritage
13:16 lived among its settlers their customs and traditions contributed to the new american culture and
13:22 continues to be observed today end quote so there you go
13:28 this company which was the biggest company at its time would hire new explorers to search for quote profitable
13:36 ventures i wonder what that means maybe it involves stealing other lands
13:43 or we to question whether there were already inhabitants in these areas during these times
13:48 the first vanderbilt that history will give us is jan arts and van der bilt a
13:53 property owner in long island it seems that his name is somewhat of a spelling error as in many records they
14:01 would shorten words and so experts seem to agree that their family origin is the little town of built in holland
14:09 but there’s more i found het built or head built which is an older municipality or district of the
14:15 netherlands built is also a conservative hollandic dialect which is spoken here
14:20 if you search debilt there’s some info the built houses are the headquarters to the royal netherlands meteorological
14:27 institute quote it is the ancestral home and namesake for the prominent vanderbilt
14:33 family of the united states end quote so we know they’re dutch and they come
14:38 from holland we’re also going to cover many techniques or tricks you could say that
14:43 the biographers play when it comes to recounting the histories of these robber baron celebrities
14:49 one reoccurring theme scene with the vanderbilt is to constantly find a way to explain their mass fortune of wealth
14:55 with many few truly dissecting the story in a critical way that questions their origins
15:01 they say they always from the beginning had big families which is understandable but
15:07 they use this as a way to explain their wealth as if each family member was constantly contributing to each other’s
15:14 businesses as i was doing research for this at some point there was a switch to english rule
15:21 but supposedly it affected them very little in order to go any further we have to
15:27 learn more about new netherland which let me ask you did you really know about that
15:32 and if you did be modest how many people do you think know about this
15:38 not too many but this was new york new jersey delaware and connecticut with small outposts in pennsylvania and rhode
15:45 island but as we’ll soon see this was far larger they are underplaying the importance of
15:51 this colony in history you don’t think it has anything to do with the dutch west east india company
15:58 they had 7.8 trillion dollars let’s remember that they were there for 50 years they tell
16:05 us possibly even more 200 years what do you think they could do in that
16:10 time well history tells us that when they first arrived that progress was slow because
16:18 there were issues with the natives hmm i wonder what that means
16:24 they say the population consisted of european colonists native americans and
16:29 africans who were imported another colony you probably didn’t know about is new sweden the same founder of
16:36 the dutch west india company started the swedish south company so as you can see this was a large project with multiple
16:44 different countries corporations involved also new france new england and there
16:51 was nova belgica they try to tell you that it was just a colony from canada virginia
16:58 it was not what do you think would be stopping the largest company in the world you also
17:04 have to consider how much land the english had in 1750 as this was essentially still new netherlands
17:12 there was a seamless switch in power i’m saying that they’re one in the same so yes it was the entire east coast
17:19 actually it was more so essentially the early beginnings that were told about virginia and jamestown
17:26 are highly distorted this has been in operation for a while and there are still things that do not
17:32 add up when you question further we also have to mention how the same thing was happening with new france and
17:38 new spain they all had their own territories or colonies that they were finding
17:43 notice how it’s called founded when a colony is started that is because what we’re seeing here
17:49 is a multi-level operation coordinated by a single hand the proof is within the
17:55 coat of arms what proof do you have that these people were truly fighting at a war with each other the historical
18:01 accounts from authorities themselves also notice for some reason that there
18:06 are these quotes unclaimed lands why would they just stop exploring in
18:12 such specific areas they were all in cahoots they just have to make it seem like all these different
18:18 corporations were trying to fight for power remember that’s the illusion of big business
18:24 this was the biggest business at that time this was venice the lion the florida lee which really is
18:31 just a decorative sword they all share the same ruler
18:36 now skeptics say what proof do you have of this you must begin your research and ask the
18:43 same questions resources will be provided but do you really think the people that tell us our history are just
18:50 going to hold our hands and explain every single detail no
18:55 they’ll tell you what they want you to hear and inform their brothers within their heraldry
19:01 this was multiple projects and they could have been competing like against each other as different ventures like
19:08 when a crazy tycoon starts multiple business projects under different names
19:13 you see this in movies all the time that is what these different countries were spain britain france netherlands
19:21 but who owned them so essentially the true origin cannot be
19:27 trusted when it comes to these biographies we’ll be presenting an alternative soon but first we must continue so that you
19:33 can see how this all connects in just a moment the story picks up with jacob vanderbilt
19:39 who is the supposed grandson of jan artsen and when he got married his
19:44 grandpa just gave him a hundred acres of land i guess this was early staten island when it was
19:49 known as new dorp they constantly like to mention that this was just a bunch of farmers at this
19:56 time just doing what they could yeah for who who were they selling to
20:01 hmm i wonder were they workers of the dutch east india company
20:06 i would think so since the entire country was founded by them so they were the kings the founders of the company
20:14 they own all the farmland one thing that i found very interesting when looking at the vanderbilts was this
20:20 connection to the moravian brethren a german evangelical set which came from
20:25 the bohemian protestant martyr john huss of the early 15th century
20:30 bohemia is another roman created corporation again why do all these countries have the same
20:37 code of arms how are we not to conclude that they were all under one rule
20:43 why is this lion everywhere the double-headed phoenix
20:48 the headless knight i know these symbols these are all the same people
20:55 there’s so much that is confusing about this history such as duplicate names of people
21:00 weird religious names as if it’s symbolism and just very strange things in general
21:06 the first thing is that they’re basically saying that they were just having babies like crazy
21:12 and that they were very specific about marriage they would only marry the higher class
21:17 people of the town such as legislators and in some cases they intermarried with first cousins
21:23 so this was a very tight-knit group another weird thing is that they would just randomly pick up the story when
21:29 telling us this genealogy and so now we’re at jacob vanderbilt ii and he
21:34 married a mary then they have children the seventh being cornelius but this is not the
21:41 commodore yet this is the father who supposedly had a ferry service so he was into boats as
21:47 well and he would just transport a few passengers here and there but again they’re setting up the narrative
21:54 this cornelius then married phoebe which i think there’s something to that name that is weird but she was higher class
22:01 than cornelius because her grandfather was a clergyman and her uncle was a general
22:07 phoebe is the mother of the commodore they say that the family lost their money after getting married because they
22:13 lost money investing in continental bonds or something but they end up having nine children and
22:18 this is when we get to the real beginning the commodore [Music]
22:26 cornelius vanderbilt was born from cornelius and phoebe and he was the fourth born child
22:33 it is said he was born on a port and kill van cole a dutch name straight in
22:38 the area so this is where we get to the story the story is all set up now the father cornelius basically failed after
22:45 the revolution which i think that may be a symbol but they tell us that the first cornelius was basically a failure in
22:52 farming and varying they call the second cornelius cornell
22:57 who became the eldest son when his brother jacob died another jacob of course one thing that is really strange is that
23:05 they make emphasis on how cornell or cornelius vanderbilt was illiterate and he was okay with it
23:11 he was hostile towards any type of learning environment is what they say now of course they are saved by the
23:18 historians because what they say is that this is one of the strategies of course for tricking other business competitors
23:25 yeah right why was he thinking like this from the beginning of his life he was a very rude person throughout his
23:32 life he’s described as being harsh rash and completely irrational and as we’ll soon see this seems to be accurate
23:39 so the story goes i’m sure some of you have heard this but you’re gonna have to try and look at this with new eyes now
23:45 that we know what we know his mother gives him a hundred dollars and he goes to get some pita agua
23:52 basically a little boat because i don’t think he’s doing anything bigger than that by himself and if you type beta
23:58 agua this is what it looks like which was considered to be a clumsy sailboat
24:04 so at 16 he just takes off giving people little rides in this thing and let’s remember the hundred dollars is like
24:11 2500 maybe even more so his mom just bought him a car at 16 and he was
24:16 illiterate is that right all he had to do was promise that he would clear some acres of farmland or
24:22 something sounds like they just wanted to give him property as well [Music] they paint him as such a skillful and
24:28 strong man he could do the pedagogue all by himself and he just went and made a humble living doing the job
24:35 weirdly cornelius did special services for the war of 1812 so that means he was transporting troops in this little thing
24:43 was he connected to the state well let’s see so they also mentioned that cornelius
24:49 like swore all the time so they portray him as this really just down from the streets kind of guy that didn’t really
24:56 care about what anyone thought of him he was just going to beat up anyone who got in his way and he would literally
25:02 get into many fistfights in an early age 19 he marries sophia johnson in 1813.
25:10 really they were born in the exact same location and she had a huge family because um
25:17 she was his cousin it is said that sofia is to have had a deep connection with phoebe
25:23 i find that all very strange but let’s continue okay so that’s his beginning
25:29 now we pick up again and now all of a sudden he is known as quote
25:35 the most reliable boat man in new york city well wait what
25:41 we’re gonna need more explanation on that no they say that now he’s all of a sudden
25:46 building schooners and operating on the hmm would you look at that hudson river
25:52 what do we know now about the dutch origins of the hudson river anyhow he would transport passengers
26:00 cargo fish and fruit that he just you know he was a hard worker and so he
26:06 would even just move his entire supply on shore all by himself
26:11 now we get to the steamboats this could be its own video but we must cover it in this chapter as it is deeply integrated
26:18 with the vanderbilts they tell us in mainstream history that robert fulton created the first
26:24 steamboat and that the first steam engine is created by thomas newcomen in 1712
26:29 newcomen want to hear something interesting type of newcomen code of arms
26:36 you begin to see all these coat of arms in family crest all with the same symbols
26:43 now at first i thought this was just something with like digital stores where they would just paste old names on coat
26:50 of arms for whatever reason and you know people wanted to look it up and have a cool way to get a print or
26:55 something but no listen to this quote started as a way to identify quote
27:03 units on the battlefield most were family or clan related or at
27:09 least under the command of a family so they had their own family crest and
27:17 on new common street on london you can again see all the royal family symbols
27:23 i don’t trust the story of steam engines no not at all especially since they had the
27:29 technology even in mainstream history for over two thousand years such as with the alia pile yet they didn’t do
27:36 anything with it until some americans just gave it a shot in the early 1700s
27:41 right and you don’t think the biggest company in the world at the time wasn’t going to want to have anything to do with it
27:48 you don’t think higher elites would want to keep certain technologies from the public
27:53 okay so let me get this straight so it’s okay for you to believe that ufos are some secret but you don’t think the
27:59 governments in the past were keeping certain technologies behind the curtain
28:04 no this is what they don’t tell you the steamboats were not new at this time
28:10 but they want to play it as if the steamboats were just some early technology and people just laughed at
28:16 them because they were these small little things that made all this noise and they really just didn’t compare when
28:21 it comes to these large sailboats that quietly made their course or that’s what they want us to believe
28:29 as now comes the perfect opportunity to present this technology to the public
28:34 so the waters and steamboat paths were owned by thomas fulton at the time
28:40 through his connection with what’s known as the livingston clan or really just a bunch of legislators
28:46 they basically got control of these areas for a short period of time supposedly the union line of steamboats
28:53 were not too happy with this decision so they got it reversed which is weird supposedly this guy
28:59 thomas gibbons who did the union line from new york to philly helped get a law
29:04 going that would put any officer in state prison for trying to arrest a citizen for steamboating in new jersey i
29:12 have to mention this guy because he basically hires cornelius and they never really explain how they met or anything
29:19 only that he just started working for thomas in 1818 so cornelius became the pilot of a
29:25 little steamer called mouse of the mountain for a thousand a year salary so that’s like 25k a year
29:32 which seems right but just weird i mean wasn’t he the most reliable boatman
29:38 so wasn’t he like already famous enough to get like a better position at least
29:43 but anyways the reason that thomas gibbons liked cornelius is that he was quote
29:48 skillful at avoiding ritz so basically he got around doing taxes
29:54 which we’ll see this reference a lot basically he was so skilled at avoiding
29:59 taxes thomas gave him an even bigger boat the bologna which cornelius had a little
30:06 secret chamber where he could hide in i guess to get away from inspection
30:12 now i don’t really buy the whole tax avoiding thing because as we’ll see if he was really a hard-working laborer
30:18 that made his way into the business world other tycoons at the time would have seen it and shut down the
30:24 competition even the state would have said something but for some reason they just are allowing him to get away with these
30:30 massive tax breaks it also kind of debunks his whole being legitimate in his way to riches
30:38 which is strange because this is one of the main reasons he gets all his wealth but anyways while this is all happening
30:44 they tell us that he also had time to take over the management of a dilapidated hotel in new brunswick
30:50 called bologna hall he’d drop off his own passengers from the trip so that’s fishy but get this
30:58 he puts sophie in charge of the place and i guess she fixed it all up and operated the whole thing while birthing
31:04 13 children 13 children i mean that’s more than a dozen guys
31:09 just think about that and he was making only 20 000 a year they tell you this because they have to
31:15 give you other adventures he was in to explain how he became so successful
31:20 now the story picks up and it’s 1829 almost a decade passes by
31:26 now supposedly cornelius had enough money from his job with thomas and the inn to basically quit the union line and
31:33 he moved his family to new york city now this doesn’t really make sense and i
31:39 do think the burden of proof is on these people recounting the story to us now
31:44 out of nowhere he somehow has the money to build multiple of his own steamboats
31:51 there is no explanation for this but eventually he had more than a hundred boats and became known as the king of
31:58 long island well the explanation is that he was just a hard-working businessman
32:04 but like i said that is the mainstream narrative why should we just accept blindly what we’re told by the media and historians
32:12 that represent these people but not only did he have hundreds of steamboats
32:18 he was also creating better service than anyone else at that time creating larger steamboats they were
32:24 more fashionable yet they were cheaper and he out beat all of his competitors
32:30 wait how i thought he didn’t even go to school how was he just defeating all the other
32:36 businesses at the time you will see throughout the story the vanderbilts will do whatever they
32:43 can to get rid of their competition even that involved lowering their prices
32:49 the truth is this scheme would never have worked he would have had growing costs as they
32:54 expanded there’s no way he could afford it by undercutting everyone else and innovating new and creative features
33:00 such as more comfortable cabins not only that but he for some reason never decided to insure any of his boats
33:09 they say this is the reason that made him so successful but he just rather focus on good service and good captains
33:15 rather than have anything insured seems like he was carefree if you ask me
33:21 you made a lot of money during the time between 1829 and 1850. he made over 30 000 a year which equals
33:28 a million a year and again this isn’t an accurate conversion as this already made him one of the richest new yorkers
33:36 so that would more accurately be even more money once you consider the amount of money and circulation
33:42 so he is now one of the wealthiest new york elite that’s the first stage of the story
33:49 the steamboat famous staten island story is what we’ll call it interestingly
33:55 monitoring the lives of rich people was super popular back then kind of like today
34:01 that’s why we should really just call them celebrities one of their supporters in the media
34:06 moses yell beach another figure that history tells us about involving this guy who was the inventor of the
34:12 associated press meaning this was literally the guy who started news in america
34:18 this was also the founder of multiple new york publishers the first being the sun
34:24 he said that cornelius had half a million dollars and honestly i’m not going to keep repeating myself when it comes to these
34:31 inflation calculators i don’t trust us at all when we’re talking about large amounts of money
34:37 but the mainstream says this is 16 million which made him one of the richest men in new york
34:43 so now we get to why he’s called the commodore well supposed to be because he was
34:49 skilled at being a captain but wait it was just skilled at avoiding taxes if
34:55 i remember and he was strong but how did he become the best captain in the world he wasn’t trained or anything that we
35:01 are told of but supposedly this just means naval commander hmm
35:07 so he was a commander or in other words an officer in old dutch
35:12 a commander for who supposedly they were rich but they were living in cramped and lowly living
35:19 conditions whatever that means so they decided to move back to staten island only because phoebe the mother
35:26 decided it was best to go there being their homeland and all the story goes now he’s going to go and
35:32 build a farm i don’t remember him getting any training in buildings or even agriculture
35:39 but okay they built a farm between stapleton and tompkinsville this is crazy whether you
35:45 believe in tartaria or not this is proof of old-world architecture being converted into modern buildings
35:54 here’s a picture of what this home and stableton look like okay so their first
35:59 supposed home that they just decided to build and construct and guess what the
36:04 architect is unknown surprise surprise but this was a million dollar mansion
36:11 they say probably more remember this was 40 feet tall the ceilings on each floor
36:16 were 12 feet tall and the rooms were very large and this is their first piece of
36:22 architecture which is the first building or mansion that we know of that was supposedly built by these vanderbilts
36:30 and quote it had a modified gothic style with grecian portico in six enormous
36:37 fluted columns here cornelius indulged in his three pleasures good whiskey cigars and horses
36:46 yeah right okay where did he get the inspiration behind this go read the biographies not one of them
36:53 is going to explain how he went from ignorant cursing fist-fighting small fairy boy who then somehow became the
36:59 wealthiest man in new york with a taste for classical architecture you guys aren’t going to take the time
37:04 to explain how that look happens what it is today it’s just a chinese restaurant and look
37:11 how drastically different it looks this is what’s happening with all these ruins and downtowns they are renovated
37:19 old world buildings that have been modified for new businesses this is just one example that doesn’t
37:26 even require you to believe in tartaria this really happened and look how much
37:31 it was modified now of course this is if you believe the mainstream
37:36 narrative but just look at it old world new world
37:43 again you’ll have to bear with me i’m just asking questions so i’m assuming their whole family was
37:49 living here and very soon the commodore had children and they were having husbands that the
37:55 commodore would then give jobs to basically everyone in the family which seems to me just a family tradition from
38:02 their ancestry he was very stern and would really just ignore most of his children
38:09 he basically hated the one who was named after him cornelius jeremiah so i guess this guy was addicted to
38:15 gambling and was just a failure and so his father called him a weakling and then cornelius jeremiah ran away to
38:22 california somehow but then he was arrested on orders of his father and brought to guesswhere bloomingdale
38:28 asylum for the insane this seems to be the commodore’s main method for dealing with his family
38:34 problems now his other son william henry the commodore saw somewhat of a chance
38:41 in him but he was still constantly in bad health and so the commodore
38:46 would always make him feel bad because of it and also he himself never really got sick for some reason
38:53 so william henry was skilled at lending money i guess meaning he worked in the banks and his father gave him an
38:59 allowance because he was his favorite well william henry had supporters like
39:05 horus greeley at the new york tribune they were deeply connected with the press as i mentioned earlier
39:11 okay so here we go notice how we haven’t mentioned dutch in a while
39:16 it’s because the story really doesn’t want to emphasize it that much but william henry marries maria luisa kiesam
39:23 the daughter of a pastor of the reformed dutch church again another prominent member
39:30 so i guess william got into writing business letters or i don’t know it really don’t really explain it
39:37 but that he gets really ill and this just really pisses off the commodores so william gets exiled from new york and
39:44 had to stay in staten island these parents controlled every move of their children
39:51 william henry becomes a farmer and this is another weird thing connecting to the last video if you haven’t seen it
39:57 but basically the soil in staten island was horrible so they had to import horse
40:03 poop from manhattan in order to fertilize the soil they’d never actually say it’s horse
40:09 poop all they say is fertilizer whatever that means so william starts his own farm with all
40:16 this new soil and his dad is like oh wow this is impressive son i guess the commodore was starting to be interested
40:23 in horse railways all of a sudden and he just decided you know what i’m gonna buy
40:29 all this from my son and just use it for the street railways right they’re trying to act like they went
40:35 their separate ways and the father was just impressed so they made a deal with each other but william earned the
40:41 commodore’s respect because he somehow got the better of the situation
40:46 what are you talking about he’s your father he’s the richest dude in new york of course he has the upper hand he gives
40:51 you allowance this is just another commodore business but okay they decide
40:57 let’s fix the staten island railroad system because supposedly at the time it had no money in it or it was in horrible
41:04 condition they tell us that this was just 13 miles and it was in horrible shape and all
41:09 this stuff but that can mean there were only 13 miles of usable tracks again
41:15 i think everything is up for question given the history of these railroads which they tell us about
41:22 for example they say from 1863 in 1869 so in less than six years they built 2
41:29 000 miles of railroad across the us not only that but there’s evidence of
41:34 railroad tracks being in america from the 1700s in nova scotia this is not a new technology
41:40 quote from the years 1839 to 1842 he was a banking business as a clerk
41:47 this is of course william henry when he started his salary was a hundred fifty thousand per annum in the second year
41:53 and increased to three hundred thousand per year later in the years william’s father decided to purchase his son a farm
42:00 located at new door the form was 75 acres and located between the moravian
42:05 church in the area the farm was not so big and had to be
42:10 carefully taken care of and fertilized so they were able to grow crops there was an outcome of success
42:17 with the farming william followed his father’s success in lives by the motto of hard work during the day and rest in
42:24 the night during this time his father had exerted more control over the long island
42:30 railroad william was called to reorganize the alien organization just like he did on
42:35 the farm he was able to turn the business into a thriving operation making him a public figure in the
42:42 family’s railroad empire just like his dad end quote
42:47 in 1855 he lived in this old world looking house near a stapleton that they
42:53 never say whether they built or not i’m not sure but it looks interesting to me
42:58 in 1860 the staten island railroad became william’s focus he was an appointed receiver
43:04 in 1865 he had become the vice president of the hudson river railway there goes
43:09 the hudson again in 1869 he became the vice president of the new york and
43:14 hudson river railway but how because of his father or did he
43:20 do this all on his own okay so now the commodore is reaching the end of his life his son has now
43:26 helped him amass even more fortune now he’s ready for his newest venture but he needed investments and supposedly
43:34 these biographers like to paint it as if oh this was the first time since he got that hundred dollars investment from his
43:40 mother for the biagua and now this would be the first time he started looking for investors
43:46 okay guess what he does he goes to england his first trip ever outside the country
43:52 supposedly and he goes to the rothschilds and asks them for help
43:58 okay but the story goes right that the rothschilds decided that they
44:03 would not invest without a first-hand report of the possibilities of a route so supposedly the commodore just decided
44:11 neh i’ll show them i’ll do it on my own or at least that’s what the biographers tell us
44:17 i forgot to mention but one of the commodore’s first steamboats that he built for himself wasn’t named after him
44:23 and i wanted to show you a picture of what it looked like supposedly it was designed by him they
44:29 tell us oh yeah with what expertise look how massive this is this is like
44:35 1847. so in 1850 he had another ship called
44:41 prometheus which again you’ll see this theme all of his boats have weird names
44:47 the first one is called bollana which is eerily similar to leo belgica’s it’s just a different
44:54 spelling bellana belliona but anyways now we have prometheus the
45:01 lightbringer he goes and basically takes over the nicaraguan government and somehow
45:07 getting permission to establish an entirely new business in their waters and they were just cool with it
45:13 this was a nine-day trip from new york to greytown which was an extremely over
45:19 complicated route that many say was literally unnavigable or at least this is what everyone believed
45:25 so it was from new york to great town then they would get transferred to central america then from there they were taking up the coast to california
45:33 this is what they say was his new business venture it was called quote new and independent
45:39 line for california via nicaragua they brought over thousands of people
45:45 who wanted to join in on the gold rush but you really got to think why would the richest man in america right now
45:52 why would he want to get people to come into california and find gold
45:57 why wouldn’t he just go there in private and hire men to get all the gold himself
46:03 is it because there is something else going on with this whole gold rush story maybe it’s because they were
46:09 repopulating these newly conquered areas and this was a repopulation event
46:14 not a business venture offering low affordable transport across the united states
46:19 if they were really selling a gold rush experience that ticket would be so expensive
46:24 who’s going to pay for such a long trip like that wanting to get into the gold rush poor families looking for the
46:30 lottery how do they have the money for such a trip yet they tell us thousands of people
46:35 took this trip and came to california there were also terrible steamboat tragedies including one event that
46:41 almost killed 200 passengers so after making a profit on that he
46:47 sells all his shares and then truly becomes one of the wealthiest people in the world you don’t think that would garner any
46:53 attention after his shares were bought he had 11 million they tell us in 1853
47:00 which is worth almost a trillion dollars already maybe half a trillion but like i said this whole conversion process is
47:06 messed up okay so now we get to a really weird story
47:11 during this time he decides that it’s time for a european vacation with all of his family
47:18 so he built a special ship for this called the north star okay this was an ocean steamboat yacht
47:25 and it was the largest to ever be built for a private individual weight of total
47:30 2500 tons the amenities were beyond glorious family state rooms each decorated in
47:37 different color combinations green and gold or crimson and gold for example
47:42 births were put with these massive heavy lace curtains now i’m not sure why people believe this
47:49 as there is no evidence that this yacht existed to my knowledge all i could find were engravings and
47:54 models but after world war one it was supposedly given to the british and canadian governments
48:01 so anyways they get the family together and leave some members out for whatever reason and they’re ready to set sail but
48:08 some firemen are like we want higher wages and the commodore just says nope and fires them and then hires new people
48:15 or something i don’t know i thought he believes in hard laborers but he’s like a prince now
48:20 so he doesn’t have time for arguing mainstream history tells us that they left staten island and made it to
48:26 southampton england in less than 10 days which was an extremely fast time maybe even a record for its time period
48:32 especially for a newly constructed yacht they tell us that when they arrived the british were just clueless to what was
48:38 going on a confused reporter from the london daily news said quote he has come by train from southampton and left his
48:45 private yacht in the dock of the port it’s a monster streamer and they basically describe it as being more
48:51 magnificent than the queen’s yacht i can’t really believe this event because
48:56 that would just be seen as disrespect but no they were invited to soiree at the lord mayor of london’s mansion house
49:04 they went but the commodore refused to make a speech he was known for never speaking in
49:10 public did you hear that he was anti-social and refused to make any type of public
49:17 appearances that’s important to know then the family set sail to saint
49:22 petersburg and they hung out with the grand duke consulting an admiral of the
49:28 russian royalty the story goes that this was the commodore’s first meeting with any type
49:34 of royalty no connection with any of these people at all and they’re just so impressed
49:41 with this american and you know what they even saw them as equals
49:46 that’s what the biographies say i’m not even kidding they visited a variety of italian cities
49:52 another important part of their trip in which they visited florence where they seemed to have had a meeting with the
49:57 sculptor hiram powers they stopped shortly in constantinople and returned to america but the story
50:04 says that they covered over 15 000 miles in only 58 days or
50:09 less than two months another common thing that you’ll see is that there aren’t too many of these
50:16 expensive gilded age steamboat yachts you would think that we would have hundreds preserved but no that’s not the
50:23 case they tell us that there were 11 000 stee boats in america that’s not even considering the world
50:29 but supposedly only five remain and they’re built after the 1900s
50:36 so after his luxurious trip meeting with deuce and queens
50:42 he basically gets into a dispute with the accessory transit company something to do with interest but
50:48 instead of suing them the biographies say he took vanderbiltian measures
50:54 he’s quoted saying quote the law is too slow i will ruin you end quote
51:01 then i mean we all know the story he made them bankrupt by blocking their routes
51:07 um and this is the guy so we’re supposed to trust this guy he then sold his new york to california
51:13 shipping line and made a lot of money around 20 million but most of it came from his ability to manipulate his stock
51:21 okay so the story picks up again and now they’re living in a townhouse in manhattan because the commodore is super
51:29 focused on business but sophia’s like i don’t like new york i want to move back
51:34 to staten island but the commodore says how dare you question me and sends her back to the
51:40 asylum also in every one of these cases it’s always other people that come to the
51:47 rescue of these family members in this case sophia was saved by her mother-in-law phoebe which was one of
51:53 the last deeds before she died remember what i said about their connection
51:59 she was then buried in the moravian cemetery in staten island why
52:04 there’s no mention on why they’re still connected with the moravians isn’t he just a hard-working businessman who
52:10 started from the ferry business what is his association with the moravians
52:16 this also connects with the asters which is its own story but they’re all descended from these same royal families
52:24 i can keep going there is more but to finish off the history of the commodore
52:31 his final moves were essentially the railroads but there’s an interesting story behind
52:36 this supposedly he was hesitant to get started or something because he was in
52:41 an accident 30 years prior where he almost died and punctured a lung
52:46 not sure about that but okay they basically want you to think that oh he was hesitant he was scared of big old
52:54 bad trains that he’s still being illiterate referred to as quote those things that
53:00 go on land unquote so i guess he didn’t even refer to them as trains and he was afraid of them
53:08 but eventually he conquers his fears and then he just started becoming an investor in small individual railroads
53:14 from different cities slowly but surely creating his monopoly so that he could connect all of them to
53:20 create an everlasting transportation empire hmm doesn’t that sound
53:26 familiar before that he supposedly accomplished that vision through mass manipulation of his stocks and with all
53:34 this money at age 70 now it’s still not done which by the way there’s only one
53:39 photo of this guy taken in the civil war they say but now he has control all of new york harlem and hudson line and then
53:46 he went for the new york central railroad his final big move was continuing to
53:51 expand with new york to chicago this new conglomerate revolutionized
53:57 rail operations by standardizing procedures and timetables increasing
54:02 efficiency and decreasing travel and shipment times or at least that’s what they want us to
54:08 hear they tell us that out of nowhere the commodore became interested in the occult and after sophia’s death he
54:15 sought the help of the chaplain sisters two mediums that could allow him to communicate with her
54:22 he ended up just thinking they were fakes however this is actually how he met his second wife their distant cousin named
54:30 frank armstrong okay so now we’re getting into train stations which this is 1870 so no
54:37 pulleys and they’re building these massive brick train stations not only that hold up he buys all these
54:44 properties on 42nd street which look at this old photo i really can’t find too much info on
54:51 these buildings if anyone knows more please do tell but he basically bought all these properties here and then built
54:58 the train station and there are barely any photos of this in the process involved
55:03 history portrays him as a philanthropist at the end of his life just giving away most of his wealth to
55:09 charity is what they tell us right like vanderbilt university
55:14 look at this place they say it was founded in 1873.
55:20 after he just randomly donated 1 million dollars to a methodist bishop in tennessee
55:27 do i sense a moravian connection again so in 1876 he became ill began a
55:34 eight-month death march a death march they say he literally yelled at his
55:39 doctors and he died on january 4th 1877 leaving his massive estate almost worth
55:46 a hundred million over to william henry which we learned about earlier
55:51 now when it comes to this estate we’re going to cover this in a later session since for some reason it’s glossed over
55:58 in the main biographies but this money was basically split up between the whole family
56:05 and then that’s the end of the commodore asheville underground and the new york
56:13 [Music] connection we continue by moving right into asheville as this is deeply
56:19 connected with this whole story yet this connection is only really known by locals
56:25 so asheville is a city in north carolina asheville which is what they call a boom
56:30 town or one of the most well preserved america boom cities or at least that’s what they
56:36 want you to think because i have some serious questions but before that
56:41 let’s read this history because it really did not get started until 1880.
56:46 before then it was just a small town in mainstream history it started as cherokee nation which they have many
56:53 legends of giants too as mentioned in previous videos but then the first town of asheville was
57:00 named morristown travelers came and made trails and stuff but there was really nothing going on yet
57:07 that all changed when the elite from new york came rushing in during the 1880s so they tell us and just started building
57:14 all of asheville in like 20 years to put it into perspective there was
57:20 less than 10 000 residents probably even fewer in 1890
57:25 yet they start building all these massive brick buildings and palaces and
57:31 these are no easy feat all right for example let’s just look at the freemason building
57:37 they say this was built in 1909 people pass it every day never asking or
57:42 questioning this narrative but there are many buildings just like this that i can show you as we’ve been here
57:48 and walked around seen all the buildings but let me tell you what i think is the best evidence behind there being
57:54 something else going on with asheville underground asheville
58:00 explain why buildings are going completely underground several feet underground level
58:05 this became apparent as this is actually in all the stores or most of them go
58:11 visit downtown and in many of these buildings they have stairs that go down to the basement where there’s more area right and you
58:18 can clearly see that this is a lower level of an older building so let’s explore this idea
58:24 now we have to understand that these theories that we’re going to deal with
58:30 they revolve around this topic of trust because remember this whole video is a journey of someone
58:37 who doubts the mainstream narrative so this is all about what information should we trust which information is a
58:43 cover-up and so on so what you will see with these underground sections of the
58:48 city is that they’ve been labeled as some prohibition scheme where they dug down or something and
58:55 created these passageways for selling in secret i don’t buy that story at all but okay
59:01 let’s start with that underground tunnels is tonight’s ask 13 news 13’s frank fraboni is with us and frank could
59:09 there be truth to the rumors well tammy the questions about a network of underground tunnels in nashville have
59:16 been around for years this one came from josh settle who asked why are there entrances to tunnels under
59:24 asheville and what were those tunnels used for
59:29 could asheville be keeping dark secrets deep underground
59:34 this is sanborn maps at the old buncombe county genealogical society now you can
59:40 tell from the map insurance maps from 1925 do show a tunnel and that is an
59:46 underground tunnel that tunnel below wall street is commonly known as rat alley a service entrance for businesses
59:53 on patton avenue this is a a connector to a network of tunnels underneath the
59:59 city of asheville but tom israel believes it may have been connected to this there are other entry points into
1:00:06 this tunnel system throughout downtown some still exist some don’t israel and his family are owners of pack tavern on
1:00:13 spruce street they discovered the double locking steel doors during renovations
1:00:18 and are certain this was used during prohibition we understand that
1:00:24 they they would store liquor in this building during that period
1:00:30 and use this tunnel system to distribute it the old hayes-hopson building was first
1:00:36 built in 1907 and was originally a lumber supply company let’s see sanborn
1:00:42 maps do not show any of the underground network other than rat alley but many in town remember the stairways to
1:00:49 underground restrooms at pack square this photo from 1929 and another from
1:00:55 the 60s when they were later segregated and i know the access to those subsurface restrooms were also an access
1:01:02 point to this tunnel system asheville city plan a book in the unca special
1:01:07 collections library we have suggested that a tunnel or subway be built by author john nolan did suggest going
1:01:15 underground but the city plan published in 1922 makes no mention of the network
1:01:21 historians say that would make sense if the tunnels were used for the illegal
1:01:26 liquor trade you probably would not let people know about those tunnels the brick arch is very interesting unlocking
1:01:33 asheville’s underground past at some point in time it was blocked off closing the door on the city’s secret tunnel
1:01:42 okay so again that’s the mainstream story and notice how he said all over downtown
1:01:49 oh really and are you guys leaving out any information how many of you are from asheville
1:01:56 some locals know this but there used to be a subway in nashville this is some very deep stuff it’s hard
1:02:02 to find information on this but they just say it was an abandoned project right
1:02:09 i don’t believe them they had these entrances all over town and supposedly this was purposely
1:02:15 blocked up by the officials the flatiron building features a deep basement which seems to
1:02:22 be one of the stops connected to this tunnel system remember this was covered up by these wealthy families in the early 1900s
1:02:30 and over time their connections and whatnot took over the city becoming the local officials
1:02:36 the stuff is not easily accessible and you are most likely to hear it from a local legend no one knows the answer
1:02:44 it’s almost as if it’s lingering on everyone’s mind but no one knows so we just all accept the mainstream history
1:02:51 but deep down we know that there has to be something more there have been rumors of there being
1:02:58 secret passages beneath the masonic temple since its supposed construction in 1950
1:03:05 this is a well-known legend and eventually a paranormal investigator went to investigate with thermal sensors
1:03:11 and he did indicate where a tunnel would be near their own private bowling alley
1:03:17 but it would require excavation which the members won’t allow so now it’s basically blocked off
1:03:24 because so many people tried to go see it the local historians are just a bunch of
1:03:29 skeptics saying that no these are just a few tunnels prohibitions blah blah blah
1:03:37 man these historians have no clue how to think they just read the books and they have rope memory that’s not thinking
1:03:43 that’s not comparative research that’s just mindlessly parodying the mainstream narrative
1:03:49 there’s plenty of physical proof that shows multiple underground chambers in nashville that everyone can see for
1:03:55 themselves why would there be a door in a basement throughout the 20th century different
1:04:02 businesses and their owners would renovate and modify this old building what did you think the first time you
1:04:08 walked in this building how we’re going to do this because it really it was cut up into
1:04:16 all kinds of small offices but before this it was the city and county parole offices so
1:04:22 everybody had an office and all that had to be torn out and got down to the bare
1:04:28 minimum it’s come a long way since it’s when we started this project to become a restaurant today
1:04:34 it turned out the owners of these old businesses decades ago would not rip out of the old renovations they’d simply add
1:04:42 layers of construction sandblast the original brick we took up three layers of hardwood floor
1:04:50 to get to the original literally a hundred years of i guess progress rolled
1:04:55 back to the original state nature and the developers didn’t realize the significance of what they’d find in the
1:05:01 basement and how it would spark their creativity this just kind of jumped out at us this
1:05:07 giant tunnel in the basement made its history clear the pack’s tavern basement features an
1:05:14 old entrance way to a tunnel system that was used to run bootleg liquor
1:05:20 underground between downtown asheville buildings the entrance features two
1:05:25 heavy iron doors stuart coleman gave us a tour this tunnel here
1:05:32 it had access to a series of tunnels on the other side
1:05:40 and it had a double locking mechanism
1:05:46 that locked you lock inside you lock yourself in and
1:05:53 you lock other people out so these tunnels were they really a secret to the
1:05:59 authorities or were they a secret officially but everyone knew what was going on down here
1:06:04 they were not secret because they run even under the masonic temple
1:06:11 and they run up here in front of the biltmore building
1:06:17 and they discovered them in the park when they were redoing the vitalization
1:06:22 of the park there was a series of four tunnels that crossed over
1:06:29 each other and they were severed also by utilities
1:06:34 so it’s kind of a similar video but did you hear what that guy said
1:06:39 what would be the implications of there being tunnels that go all the way to the biltmore so this is what they tell us
1:06:47 they just built this whole city which is completely on a hilly landscape with all these interconnected underground tunnel
1:06:54 systems basements with doors a supposed subway project
1:06:59 how the heck did they do that in 1880 in such a short time period and no one’s gonna ask any questions
1:07:05 subterranean levels to a city imply that they were actually the lower level of the building
1:07:12 i know that is not what we’re taught but why else would there be windows and doors in a basement
1:07:19 it’s almost unimaginable because the alternative theory is so drastically different from what we have been told in
1:07:24 our schools our programmed minds trained to react when faced with such cognitive
1:07:30 dissonance must label the material as ridiculous a complete fairy tale and even though that may be the case
1:07:37 realities are stranger than we were led to believe i don’t think we know everything about
1:07:42 reality and we deserve to question what we were taught in mainstream history
1:07:47 do you believe everything we’re told about the robber barons to be honest i don’t and i deserve that
1:07:54 right they have the burden of proof and i’m just not convinced
1:08:00 i see red flags everywhere i look and now that i look at this whole subject
1:08:06 with new eyes after looking into darteria for so long you can clearly see that this is some
1:08:12 type of propaganda to some degree i think we can all or a large majority
1:08:18 of us agree on that statement they were celebrities right they were married to state politicians
1:08:25 right let’s ask these questions as it does seem that many people are beginning to
1:08:30 wake up during these times with that we go to the final
1:08:36 chapter biltmore unveiled
1:08:51 i’m doubtful of the entire mainstream narrative behind the vanderbilts i feel i have the right to say that
1:08:58 we went there not only did we go there we went on the high-end tour and i asked
1:09:04 every question i could now i’m here not to only break down the history of the house but also to explain
1:09:11 my experience review and final thoughts you don’t have to believe a word i say
1:09:18 feel free to go to the mainstream narrative if you want that’s the official story i’m just going to give my opinion
1:09:26 so william henry had a 58-room mansion in manhattan some reason and he supposedly funded
1:09:33 both columbia university and the opera in 1883 right we had all these properties on fifth
1:09:39 avenue in new york so when the commodore died his entire
1:09:44 will and fortune or most of it was passed to william henry
1:09:49 and he too was also old so he was about to die so essentially
1:09:55 trillions got transferred over to william’s youngest son george washington vanderbilt the second
1:10:03 again something with all these weird repeating names so
1:10:09 this is the grandson of the commodore okay and he’s like super young when this
1:10:14 all happens he’s a bachelor they mentioned that many times what i don’t get is that they say the
1:10:20 vanderbilts became known for education yet they don’t explain this since they came
1:10:26 from supposed farmers and the commodore was illiterate and he hated his kids so
1:10:32 who taught these people to be intelligent and lovers of fine art that is never truly explained important
1:10:38 to note so they just started giving their money away i guess people just believe they were
1:10:45 such nice people but i don’t know about all that these are just new business ventures
1:10:52 they just learned how to start calling it philanthropy so now you don’t question that
1:10:58 anyways george washington grew up without his father yet we’re supposed to believe that he just became this quiet
1:11:06 yet intelligent young man learning about art on his own collecting his own collection
1:11:11 okay who taught him all this he just decided to go do this all on his own since he seems he lived in a manhattan
1:11:19 mansion during this period he was just studying in his room instead of being a new york rich boy
1:11:24 he was a lover of the finer things right and so he eventually he just
1:11:30 inherits this entire mansion and basically they get all these properties
1:11:35 on fifth avenue i mean they had so many buildings and there is no real explanation on how these were made or
1:11:42 anything many of them were demolished so they were just blowing money for no
1:11:47 reason to build these huge mansions and then just destroy them in less than 10 years
1:11:53 so the story goes this guy george washington vanderbilt just read a bunch
1:11:58 of books i don’t know where he got him because there’s no real mention of his father being into any type of ancient fine art or anything like that so he
1:12:05 just reads some books and starts a collection and then he decides to go visit asheville north carolina for the
1:12:12 first time they actually say this in the mainstream like they have articles that say this
1:12:18 whole event is shrouded in mystery as supposedly this was the first time he had ever visited asheville so he went
1:12:25 there and just knew that he needed to build his country home here so the story goes
1:12:31 okay so now we’re getting into the modern day now so you have to understand that they’ve been celebrities for a while now technology is advancing people
1:12:39 still treat these people like rock stars and so you still have journalists trying to be nosy about everything that happens in
1:12:46 their lives they had to be fully aware of this on january 9 1889 the asheville citizen
1:12:54 featured an article first published by the new york herald the report stated quote some months ago the good people of
1:13:01 asheville were surprised by the presence in that beautiful little city of charles mcname the new york lawyer of the
1:13:07 well-known firm of davis work and nickname mr mcname entered at once with
1:13:13 business-like promptness upon the purchase of sundry tracks of land just south of the corporate limits
1:13:18 of asheville across the swannanoa river it was soon surmised from the extent of
1:13:23 his purchases that he represented some northern capitalist and it presently
1:13:29 leaked out that his client was none other than george vanderbilt the young
1:13:34 railroad millionaire now i don’t buy the idea that it was just supposed to be a country home this
1:13:40 was planned to be a business from the start even others at the time suspected something was up
1:13:47 quote january 12 1889 headline in the asheville citizen read still buying land
1:13:53 mr vanderbilt’s domain extending in buncombe the article went on to report quote that mr vanderbilt contemplates
1:14:00 purchasing the southern portion of the county is a conjecture that at present
1:14:05 disturbing the minds of the people residing in that section of the state of bangkom
1:14:11 quote the purchases still go on and there’s no telling where they will stop mr mcname is as active and energetic as
1:14:19 ever regarding the acquisition of other tracks to the already large acreage described in these columns before
1:14:26 but mr vanderbilt proposes to do and how he’s going to set out about doing it are problems we are unable to solve
1:14:34 the reticence of his agent in the utter ignorance of his wise acres who pretend
1:14:39 to know all about it establishes a veil of mystery and to which the reportial
1:14:44 eye fails to penetrate in other words they were saying they
1:14:50 don’t trust this dude something is sketchy something’s up an unnamed source from the daily citizen
1:14:56 so this is basically the first news we have of the biltmore or um the first contrived and edited narrative presented
1:15:03 by the release or at least that is what it seems to be as indicated by the
1:15:08 locals but they continue to describe it as if this is a future project to be created
1:15:15 now to be honest with you i think this whole thing was orchestrated even with the critique again we’re talking
1:15:21 trillion dollar companies as soon will be explained so he eventually purchases over 125
1:15:28 000 acres of land which edith vanderbilt would later sell off to the government later in her life
1:15:34 from what i heard from the guide i don’t think you understand disney world and disneyland combined is
1:15:41 a total of 32 000 acres okay so biltmore estates was once four times this amount
1:15:48 in land now i think it’s important to be fair here i know what the counter argument is and
1:15:56 i’m going to address it thoroughly all i ask in return is for you to keep an open mind
1:16:01 i’ve decided that it is best to present this first before showing my final case
1:16:07 as many may not even be able to get there because i’m sure many of you have been there i’m sure
1:16:13 there are many asheville locals watching this video right now i know exactly what i have to address
1:16:19 now before we continue with the biltmore the first hurdle that we’re going to face is the mainstream narrative
1:16:26 they know people are going to have questions they know they need to have a background story
1:16:31 so as a guest to the biltmore as you enter the estate there’s a guest center that you can sit
1:16:37 in and it will explain the entire history of the biltmore if you’re here to come and inform me of
1:16:44 it trust me i sat there and i watched it and it felt like pure propaganda
1:16:50 but if you’re interested in hearing an alternative but you also want me to explain the
1:16:56 construction photos well here we go i’m going over it
1:17:01 so first we’re presented with a set of specifically designed photo shoots of the construction of this building
1:17:08 now for the majority of the population this is enough evidence not only is it enough evidence there are
1:17:16 no questions even asked about this building in their family by the vast amount of people who visit it
1:17:22 the main and only counter argument is there are construction photos
1:17:28 okay well let’s take a look the first stage is the base stage where
1:17:34 we see an empty land this is where they got the land ready for the building
1:17:39 okay what if i asked the question is this really the location
1:17:44 i know you may think that’s cheap but please come on explain to me why i don’t see how photo manipulation
1:17:51 whether done with the original photos or even digitally is not even considered for a moment
1:17:57 it almost makes you look like an idiot for even suggesting such a matter yet i’m gonna bring it up because i feel
1:18:04 it’s important to know was it possible to photoshop images in the 1900s
1:18:10 it was and even earlier since photography’s origin
1:18:16 what you could do is take two different negatives from completely different photographs and combine them
1:18:23 let me show you the proof the first works on compositing from 1857
1:18:29 now compositing is the art of layering images this is a composite image made almost
1:18:36 200 years ago look at this sure you can slightly see where the
1:18:42 different layers are but that’s pretty phenomenal for this time period
1:18:47 they tell us they didn’t have the technology to take photos of these mansions in 1870s or there are very few
1:18:56 yet they were making advanced artistic composites in 1850
1:19:02 remember the vanderbilts were artists especially george washington vanderbilt you don’t think they knew of this
1:19:09 technique and let me ask you if you understand what the media does today
1:19:14 and the way they manipulate the narrative even by constraining and limiting what you can see and know you
1:19:22 don’t think that was happening in the past why not these are trillionaires
1:19:29 you know what they say in the next construction photo you can see them lifting the bottom base which
1:19:35 we’re going to take a look at in a moment from other angles but this is what they want you to see
1:19:41 just a few men in top hats few workers using pulleys lifting up huge stones and
1:19:47 placing them effortlessly except we don’t see that process at all
1:19:52 all we see is the stones already laid down and a highly contrasted image
1:20:00 don’t worry i’m going to explain even more i’m not saying anything is just fake just follow
1:20:05 me for one moment okay so those are the beginning stages
1:20:11 then we have the bring up the arches stages which again there’s no process of
1:20:18 they told us this was all done with just pulley systems no modern equipment of any kind and that they would use horses
1:20:26 to pull like the really big heavy items now i can see stone masons thinking this
1:20:32 is actually possible but no it’s not actually possible in this fashion
1:20:37 you know what they say that george washington just hired a thousand workers and these weren’t skilled
1:20:44 artisans they were just local labor workers and they just built this entire structure in six years
1:20:51 okay so tell me why this has never been replicated and no one else can even get close to the
1:20:58 massiveness of this structure including the largest basement in america and as we will soon cover underground tunnels
1:21:05 as was heard in the last chapter so they built underground tunnels
1:21:11 i didn’t hear one thing on the guided tour about this there are no construction photos of this
1:21:17 now i’m not here to tell you these photos are fake i don’t know
1:21:22 but you don’t know if they’re real i’ll go ahead and explain that what most
1:21:27 people will find to be the most moderate answer as this was actually built on top of an old world tartarian structure in
1:21:35 this area let me show you the base you can see how the bottom base looks
1:21:41 much older than the upper portion not only that these are massive stones i
1:21:46 really don’t think they were pulling these up on pulleys and i don’t see why i would as there’s no photos of them
1:21:52 doing so here’s a picture of where the gates are in that whole hill area that overlooks
1:21:57 the house we don’t really see any construction photos of this area and so i guess we have to assume that they were just
1:22:03 moving all this dirt placing the stones and i mean it kind of looks pretty old even in these photos
1:22:10 okay so we don’t even have any construction photos of the building to the right of the biltmore where the
1:22:16 bookstore and the cafe is there’s also an under level section here as well
1:22:22 they’ll only show you the construction photo where it’s at the scaffolding stage of the building so it’s already
1:22:29 done so yeah just bear with me as there really is so much to cover including
1:22:34 multiple different theories one involving secret text so there really isn’t nothing to lose all the
1:22:40 information will be provided and at the end you can decide for yourself what you want to believe
1:22:45 i still haven’t even presented what i believe to be the case yet not only do we go on this tour explore
1:22:51 everything that we could but we went to their own bookshop we bought their own collection of
1:22:57 propaganda for us to read and study along with multiple trips to different libraries in person and online in order
1:23:04 to give you this alternative history on the biltmore what you have to understand is that if
1:23:10 you accept these construction photos as truth then you have to accept the mainstream
1:23:16 narrative yes you have to accept everything they told us about the rubber barons the
1:23:22 commodore that weird european vacation all of it you have to accept it
1:23:28 including that this family worked their way from poor to rich
1:23:33 that’s their main message it’s like the american dream and people just sit there and think about how
1:23:38 overly wealthy this family was but you don’t think this could be a part of something bigger
1:23:45 if so then stay with me as i continue to share what i’ve learned about the history of the biltmore and also our experience
1:23:53 with going there in person i mean bro i was on the roof okay so what are some weird or even
1:23:59 unique things about the biltmore well of course the vanderbilt history
1:24:04 the out of nowhere rush to asheville seemingly out of nowhere and everyone thought it was strange for the time
1:24:11 the biltmore was fully supplied with electricity when his first built completely running on dc so it had
1:24:17 electricity almost 30 years before others did it also has the oldest elevator of its
1:24:23 kind and it’s an original now i asked a guide about the sewage
1:24:29 systems which they weren’t even going to cover they were talking about the bathrooms
1:24:34 and how they were originals which i can believe but he said there were two things that the biltmore’s didn’t have
1:24:40 ac and waste management they used chamber pots and the few
1:24:46 bathrooms they had were simply dumped straight into the river so let me get this straight george
1:24:53 washington vanderbilt decides that this is the perfect country home he’s basically going to set up this estate
1:24:58 for inviting wealthy new york elites and then basically they just dump their in nature
1:25:03 and no it’s not for fertilizing they just had no other method yet they
1:25:09 can build castles unlike any other workforce in america and it still can’t be replicated today
1:25:16 remember one thousand men with pulleys why can’t someone today hire that and
1:25:21 make it happen you don’t think something was lost okay so they buy all this land build
1:25:28 this state remember how much land this was you really think this is just a country home purchase which i think it’s
1:25:35 obviously even from a mainstream historical point of view that this was set up to be some type of a lodge in
1:25:40 nature resort for a wealthy elite forget this after all this effort
1:25:46 it actually failed this whole idea was not a successful venture at first and in fact the only
1:25:52 thing that kept it afloat was the dairy farm fun little fact that i learned as i was
1:25:57 getting the water from the cafe the tour guide brought this up and basically
1:26:03 they can support the business so they depended on this dairy business
1:26:09 the biltmore was essentially a roadside attraction there was nothing over here less than 10
1:26:15 000 residents why story says that they moved here because
1:26:20 of the mountain air would heal george vanderbilt’s mother
1:26:25 but this is just what they repeat to us why aren’t people rushing over here on
1:26:31 your grandparents train there should have been plenty of business for this yet it failed and
1:26:38 there were actually many critiques at the biltmore who did not enjoy this day
1:26:43 so basically the building started to deteriorate wallpaper was falling off and it wasn’t
1:26:48 until really the 1950s that major renovations started happening now they say that all these people came
1:26:56 and visited and they had all these journals of the people and their quotes and whatnot but
1:27:01 this is something that was heavily integrated with the media as the president theodore roosevelt
1:27:07 visited the biltmore and even his daughter alice which they had like this whole story that takes 30 minutes on the
1:27:13 tour and they tell you all about it you know where we get all these events from
1:27:19 the media the press hmm who started the associated press again
1:27:24 also did you know that on the biltmore estate the shiloh neighborhood included
1:27:29 approximately a dozen former slaves it included several homes dotted along
1:27:35 what once was the land of their former owner a church and a cemetery
1:27:41 when vanderbilt brought this property he paid a thousand dollars to the church okay so wait
1:27:47 they’re telling you there were slaves on that property and there used to be a church there
1:27:55 okay now we must cover what i consider to be more constructed figures known as the
1:28:02 two architects behind the biltmore house which dives us into a deep topic too
1:28:07 immense for a single video which involves what i consider to be fake architects
1:28:13 richard morris hunt who was also the architect for other houses by the vanderbilt designed this house in a
1:28:19 chateau-esque style which seems to be based on whitish and manor keep that in mind for later but they
1:28:26 have many similar features this is also the rothschilds vacation home
1:28:32 remember supposedly their families had nothing in common but they visit each
1:28:37 other and stuff the other architect frederick law olmsted now we’ll come back to hunt in a
1:28:43 second but olmsted is a big deal he’s responsible for not only central park and many other sites
1:28:49 he’s also the architect behind the chicago’s world’s fair the story goes that they searched and
1:28:55 searched for a land to hold the chicago’s world’s fair as these events were huge cultural and
1:29:02 technological leaps in mankind so they knew they were a big prophet
1:29:07 also indicating that these architects or supposed ones they were a business i’ll
1:29:12 show you what i mean in a second they say they went to the france exhibition learned what they needed came
1:29:18 back settled with jackson park’s site and you’ll always hear the story that people were pessimistic they doubted
1:29:25 them like in every single one of these biographies but these men who built america no they were there to prove
1:29:31 everyone wrong that anyone could do anything if they just worked hard and all this stuff but yeah they were having
1:29:37 a meeting in 1891 trying to discuss whether or not they could really build this all in two years and
1:29:43 they just wanted everyone to be well aware that they were confident even if this is plaster
1:29:49 there are no construction photos of this process maybe a few close-up ones with some
1:29:55 scaffolding already there but that’s all they’re already in their final stages
1:30:00 that may be convincing for the masses not for me how do they make these embankments how
1:30:07 do they dig this all out i don’t care if this is just plaster and wood if it’s so easy to just buy all these cheap
1:30:12 supplies and make something like this then why has it never truly been replicated this would have been a massive business
1:30:20 this is far too big of a project to complete regardless of the resources used and these wealthy elite building
1:30:27 these places had more than enough opportunity to document everything they were doing i mean we’re talking about
1:30:33 people with trillions in wealth they had the tech why do we see high quality photos of the
1:30:39 fair yet two years ago they don’t have detailed construction photos of their mansions
1:30:46 if you’re one of these exposure people and or the tech for photography wasn’t there
1:30:52 that’s the mainstream narrative this is not new tech and these world fairs were most likely places where old
1:30:59 world technology was finally re-engineered and presented to the public for the first time
1:31:05 this was their way of releasing new information to the public in terms of innovation
1:31:10 you don’t think there would be propaganda involved there’s another thing that i don’t get
1:31:16 everybody just trust all these people blindly and yet who are we talking about
1:31:22 we’re talking about the wealthy new york elite who had started other business ventures essentially making partnerships
1:31:29 with these artists sculptors and architects which i do think there are some high talent hired but overall these
1:31:36 are all different businesses olmsted was one of their biggest corporations when it comes to these
1:31:41 architectures this dude was connected with yale and basically was trained to be this
1:31:47 architect like many of the celebrities today these artists would go through thorough
1:31:52 training and then be sent around the world in order to prepare seems that he had help if you ask me
1:32:00 because he’s the guy who’s responsible for over 500 commissions
1:32:05 how much money do you think this is 100 public parks 200 private estates
1:32:11 50 residential communities and 40 different colleges now that’s insane and you’ll see this
1:32:18 with many of these different architects but remember we’re covering the alternative here
1:32:24 you have to think that if there was something going on and for just one moment let’s suppose there were people
1:32:30 in america far earlier than we’re told perhaps when the europeans came to
1:32:35 explore there are already cities here this is not out of the question just yet
1:32:41 and when you think about it they would have some system-wide cover-up for this especially the
1:32:47 leftover ones that were then reserved for the elite okay so back to richard morris hunt so
1:32:54 in the biographies it doesn’t want to go over exactly how all these different family members got into all these
1:33:00 mansions it seems to have happened right when william henry died or right when the
1:33:05 commodore died william henry bought all these supposedly and then they were given to his children
1:33:11 but richard morris is the same architect behind the building we mentioned in the last video
1:33:17 the petite chateau or william k vanderbilt’s house another young
1:33:22 bachelor who was going to get a bunch of money from his father william henry they never explained why william henry
1:33:29 was into gothic architecture sure you can say that george washington vanderbilt learned this from the books
1:33:35 okay that’s one thing but how did william henry get involved in this there’s just not enough information
1:33:41 about fifth avenue and i found some early pictures that show clearly these buildings have lower levels that go
1:33:48 below the ground sure you can make the argument that their basements but why
1:33:53 are their windows going below and how difficult would it be to build this way
1:33:58 furthermore why did they decide to demolish it you know how much money a place like
1:34:04 this could have made this was another palace for princes
1:34:09 this guy is also responsible for the breakers the marble house the lower section of
1:34:15 the statue of liberty which i find very hard to believe in the photos of france because it does seem to be a composite
1:34:21 if you ask me but we continue he built the okra court new york tribune
1:34:26 building blues high school which seems to be way too much for a high school but essentially they’re saying they built
1:34:33 hundreds if not thousands of these structures in less than a 20-year period
1:34:38 they had at least 10 mansions in new york many of which were destroyed they owned all of fifth avenue and we aren’t
1:34:45 going to start ask questions on how and why this was done there’s barely any photographic evidence
1:34:51 for their claims from this and this is 1870 to 1890 time period and all of a
1:34:56 sudden 1890 they start deciding that they’re going to take stages of the construction process but
1:35:02 even then it’s very limited and only a select few are shown as if they are chosen to be presented
1:35:08 you must think if these were truly philanthropists and they had so much wealth why didn’t they develop a better
1:35:15 system for preserving photography they preserved books tapestries maps yet they
1:35:22 could not preserve photographs for just 50 years so that people could copy them later
1:35:28 i think they’re hiding something so yeah these are the people that they tell us
1:35:34 build the biltmore yet with almost all these figures there’s
1:35:39 usually only one real photograph of them maybe two but rarely
1:35:45 and then you get these portraits of who they were in a background story and we just eat it up
1:35:52 no one asked any questions of course i’m talking pre-1890
1:35:58 once george washington comes in he was the new young trillionaire now these were the true kardashians
1:36:05 because even though i was making that analogy earlier it actually really applies now because george washington
1:36:13 and i swear saying that over and over again just seems so weird but george washington vanderbilt basically built
1:36:20 the biltmore to have as his own bachelor’s path they say it was originally for hunting
1:36:26 yet it ended up being used kind of like a frat house the elites of their club would come for
1:36:32 what they say was an extravagant experience and also they tell us that there were like only three people living
1:36:38 in there for a certain period of time after it started to fail right because come to find out people don’t want to
1:36:44 take this massive long journey to the middle of nowhere they had many guests they tell us but
1:36:49 i’m not sure if i’d buy it because they would have been successful and the place wouldn’t have been deteriorated
1:36:55 and needed renovation in the 50s so now i’m going to explain my experience going
1:37:00 to the biltmore with moon and after explaining all that i’m going to give you multiple possible explanations and you can decide for
1:37:07 yourself what you like the best okay so i know that was a lot but you gotta
1:37:12 understand what i’m about to say is pretty drastic and i had to have some sort of foundation
1:37:18 for assisting people in understanding how we come to these thoughts but instead of jumping right into it
1:37:24 i feel the best argument is to simply just go over the history as we just did now we’re prepared to go through this
1:37:30 and ask some questions so okay you got your ticket you’re ready to see
1:37:35 the boat more you enter to the entrance and many expect to be able to see it from the
1:37:40 street but you can’t there are trees blocking everything it’s deep on the estate you won’t see it for a while
1:37:47 which also i never mentioned there are so many trees here and i’m talking massive amounts of land but in the older
1:37:54 pictures there’s no indication of any type of nature which i also find odd or at least it looks drastically
1:38:01 different than it did today okay so you have to drive for a couple
1:38:06 of miles and once you pass under an interesting bridge then you continue to find parking take a
1:38:12 shuttle and after 30 minutes from originally entering you’re finally at the biltmore
1:38:18 first note when you enter the gate there are sphinx that guard the gate so you come in and they drop you off so yeah
1:38:25 here’s what it looks like up close now we’re going to be observing many symbols and it’s important to constantly
1:38:32 ask why and when did the vanderbilts get such an interest in this level of symbolism
1:38:38 you guys notice anything why is there a lion statue in front of the door
1:38:44 what does william henry or george washington have to do with lions
1:38:50 how would he know about this unless there is some type of secret club we don’t know about where they learn
1:38:57 about all this symbolism look at all the ornate detail
1:39:02 the level of art put into this is insane and we never see any photos of them doing the detail work
1:39:09 look closely you can see that there are a coat of arms at the top of the building and they each are saying
1:39:15 different things you can see gargoyles weird faces everywhere
1:39:20 almost like peasants or something you see these over the windows over arches in every possible place they
1:39:27 added insane amount of detail as we will see it’s much better to come early as later
1:39:33 in the day it gets extremely crowded so we walked around the left section where you can go right under the arches
1:39:41 and see the pillars up close so first off it’s pretty amazing not gonna lie but to be able to just chill
1:39:47 under there as we were taking photos we noticed that the pillars had these florida leaves but they also had the
1:39:55 older form which was the dagger or the sword which again is royal symbolism that has been
1:40:00 seen on coat of arms for hundreds of years why are they putting this here
1:40:05 now of course people might say french inspired but is it because we’re going to explore that even
1:40:12 further okay so we go into the court side with garden where there’s this massive empty
1:40:18 space where there used to be a pool but now it’s just gravel but over here you can see a couple
1:40:24 interesting things over here is a windy tree that’s pretty cool and also you can see the back of the
1:40:31 house check this out look at this bottom base and how old it looks
1:40:36 to me i don’t really think they did that with the simple pulley system and it seems to be done without mortar
1:40:43 also you can see that it continues to go underground we go down to the courtyard to see a pan
1:40:49 fountain which you’ll see multiple references to pan here
1:40:55 then you get your first bit of programming with one of the architects of course and there’s these very interesting terra
1:41:02 cotta bowls here now of course i’m not denying that these can be created in the modern day
1:41:08 but i was looking at them and i got a weird feeling that they were actually very old
1:41:13 again symbols everywhere why were they so obsessed with painting
1:41:19 such ancient symbols on everything they do it just looks like old venetian artwork
1:41:24 to me but just take note of this for later there are some beautiful views here that
1:41:30 are truly breathtaking it has like this weird silence to it when you come over here too it’s
1:41:36 definitely peaceful also the statues are interesting but they didn’t seem to be that old to me to
1:41:42 be honest so from here you can also see that on the
1:41:48 top of the building there are more coat of arms you can see two griffins
1:41:54 griffins why are there griffins on this building they seem to be holding a chalice
1:42:02 and this is all coat of arm stuff all right so now to the other side which
1:42:08 seems to be lacking in detail for some reason in comparison to the left side of the building but if we go towards the
1:42:15 right there is this arch that leads us to an entirely new section
1:42:21 now before we go in let’s take a look at this griffin symbol which is kind of hard to see but it
1:42:28 looks like it’s a griffin and a horn stag with wings holding up
1:42:33 this emblem which is a v the symbol they say is for the
1:42:39 vanderbilt and it can be seen in multiple areas of the house this is crucial to note for later
1:42:46 okay so we’re ready to go into the other building that has the cafe and the bookshops we go under the arch which is
1:42:52 massive but the first thing we notice is that once you get to the other side there’s this brick pavement that’s
1:42:59 completely messed up and there are crosses which seem to be religious that are ingrained within the pattern
1:43:07 this place is bumpy and not level at all almost as if an earthquake happened
1:43:12 now no one seems to know why it’s like that so this next building is similar in design but slightly different and it’s
1:43:20 also very interesting they have these brick glossed insides like new york but it’s kind of like fake
1:43:27 actually the whole encasing the whole building is fake the original building is built entirely of brick
1:43:33 and so they encased it with limestone imported from indiana this is what the guy was saying
1:43:39 so they had to build their own brick production factory yet there are no photos of them actually laying all these
1:43:46 bricks which we’re talking hundreds of thousands of bricks and massive stones
1:43:51 as well exterior construction photos okay that’s one thing but notice how there’s no interior construction photos
1:43:59 so we head to the bookstore to see what wonderful books they may have and not only do they have biographies but they
1:44:05 also had this basic little propaganda book that told you everything you needed to know about this place
1:44:11 and so as we were checking out we noticed that there was these old maps on the wall and the person at the register was
1:44:17 telling us that basically george was some big collector of old maps
1:44:24 and that definitely piqued my interest the first one is old world spain
1:44:30 okay and then the second one is a map of the netherlands
1:44:36 they also told me specifically that he had one of ireland which was super interesting
1:44:43 okay so we head our way back and you can see this massive wooden door under this arch
1:44:49 now from what we’ve learned there’s a massive amount of old world furniture in
1:44:54 this building now they say that every one of these doors were designed to have these
1:44:59 specific folded carvings that you can see basically in every room of the house
1:45:05 okay so we took a quick break went to the leonardo exhibit which was pretty cool they had some weird inventions but
1:45:12 it wasn’t really our main focus or anything but it was kind of interesting that this was showing at the same time
1:45:19 okay so we prepared for a tour and basically we just came and they gave us
1:45:24 some audio phones and we were ready to go so to speed this up basically the tour
1:45:30 we went on was the guest of the bill moore’s and don’t get me wrong we love the entire experience but
1:45:35 it just wasn’t what we came to do it was more focused on like the guests after the 1900s and the people who’d stayed
1:45:42 there and all these renovated rooms that to me looked like they were from the 60s but we weren’t allowed to take any
1:45:47 photos of this tour which trust me we got photos but we just weren’t allowed to on this guided tour
1:45:54 um but we did go on the top of the building which was cool so we did get some more up close shots of
1:45:59 all this detail and a pretty cool view
1:46:06 but yeah we couldn’t really explore on the guided tour but afterwards we had the opportunity to go on the self-guided
1:46:12 one which was really awesome we walked around and i’m about to break down what i learned
1:46:18 okay so this place is massive first you have the garden area which is super nice with also this interesting
1:46:25 mosaic on the floor i didn’t mention but basically in order to start the guided tour
1:46:31 they basically gave each person like a card and this would be someone who stayed at the house
1:46:37 now everyone really just got a basic guest but for some reason i was given carl
1:46:42 better now when this happened me and moon looked at each other at the same moment we were like no way because
1:46:48 i’m not sure you guys know i mean i have said that i’ve done 3d art but i started off doing sculpting clay and pottery so
1:46:55 i’m pretty much a sculptor in my spirit and it seems that the tour guide either knew
1:47:00 or for some reason that card was given to me but i can tell you right now that was not a coincidence
1:47:07 carl better is an austrian sculptor similar to these architects who is credited with a massive amount of
1:47:13 sculpting that seems to be another attribution process but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a
1:47:18 sculptor you don’t think these wealthy elite need the most talented sculptors and artists
1:47:25 in the world well come to find out carl better is just another royal family upbringing he was
1:47:32 trained for this in vienna okay so where do we start
1:47:37 there’s this part of the trip where you go into the biggest room and we get to take photos up close to really look at this
1:47:43 now look at the size of this fireplace look at this roman greco relief that is
1:47:49 placed here and is that a symbol right on the massive fireplace is a coat
1:47:56 of arms when i asked the guide hey is that a knights helmet and he said
1:48:01 i never really thought about that yes that’s what it looks like but don’t quote me or take my word
1:48:07 that’s what he said and he’s in the building every day let me show you there’s no question on
1:48:13 what that symbol is what is it doing in this banquet hall or opera
1:48:19 as yeah there’s also a massive organ in this room that originally had pipes but
1:48:24 they had installed new ones so that they could automate it and all this stuff but so
1:48:30 why do you have the headless knight in oregon
1:48:36 massive dutch tapers trees that are 400 years old and honestly they really do look real to me not to mention all the
1:48:42 german wood this is a very common theme the world is just imported from europe and this is just an invaluable amount of
1:48:50 money it’s literally unlimited what you are witnessing when you come
1:48:56 into this building is an old world collection that doesn’t line up with the
1:49:01 story as we’ll soon see look at that tapestry on the right another pan scene
1:49:08 why does george washington vanderbilt want all this stuff are people not going to ask how the heck
1:49:15 did they get all this and is there some type of dutch brotherhood or even more ancient family behind all
1:49:22 this why can’t we ask those questions here is a chest that seems to be german
1:49:29 or dutch old world furniture and these are in the finest condition
1:49:36 so this is the first room of the guided tour interesting ceramic pieces and if you
1:49:42 look at the and irons those are pretty cool they have the fireplace and even
1:49:48 the decorative ceiling on to the next room you see these massive hanging fabrics
1:49:56 another import along with most of this furniture so a lot was spent on fabric here and i
1:50:02 forgot to mention actually on the guided tour in the guest rooms where we’re not allowed to take pictures
1:50:09 they actually called these the louie the 13th room the louis the 14th 15th and so
1:50:15 on which i just found strange especially with the last video i kept asking him to
1:50:20 elaborate but he said it’s just because of the furniture style so i don’t know but it seems really weird
1:50:26 so now we get into an important room and this is the music room
1:50:31 this fireplace has a very interesting clue for us we see an engraving with a clear albert
1:50:39 doer engraving and i knew this at the time because his art style was very noticeable but another thing that i
1:50:45 didn’t mention on the guided tour is that he kept saying that george was obsessed with prince and he had
1:50:51 thousands of original engraving prints and that they were all over the house some of them being of ancient castles
1:50:57 which was just really weird to be in his collection and they’re like all these gothic castles but this was his
1:51:04 inspiration and also but look at what’s below the engraving
1:51:09 there are multiple reliefs showing an emblem with a date at a closer look we can actually see
1:51:15 that it’s a j not a one whoa wait you’re telling me that george
1:51:21 washington vanderbilt had studied so much art history and symbolism to such a degree that he was even aware of how
1:51:28 they used to put jays instead of a one why would he want to get this built in
1:51:33 unless there’s something else going on let’s take a look at this engraving
1:51:40 this obviously was very important to him this is the only one of his size that’s
1:51:45 showcased in this matter i found that image online so we could take a look at it
1:51:51 you know what this image is it’s called the triumphal arch of maximilian
1:51:57 at the top you have the vatican fish hats the nozzle crown which is a symbol for the phoenician royals
1:52:03 furthermore we see torches giving the symbol of prometheus as they are the ones to bring it and remember cornelius
1:52:10 vanderbilt’s ship oh why is there more pan symbolism
1:52:16 one time okay you say that’s just you know allegory in a painting or just like myths or something but
1:52:23 tell me why there are multiple different instances of pan being referenced at the biltmore
1:52:29 then we have at the bottom of these pillars a very interesting symbol
1:52:35 what’s that a v-shape remember this for later now before we go on we have to
1:52:41 understand what this is this is a royal family descendant tree
1:52:47 they’re telling you what’s going on maximilian was a roman emperor and is
1:52:52 letting you know everyone who was in their control i’ve been maximilian coat of arms or
1:52:58 even the house of habsburg why is it a double headed phoenix containing
1:53:04 several other coat of arms and that’s actually what we see in this engraving
1:53:11 you can see the same vatican hats here as well so yes they are connected
1:53:16 this is royal family lineage stuff and we’re just supposed to believe he put this up because he was a collector
1:53:25 let’s really look at this there’s so much to break down in this image alone
1:53:30 what do you see the emperor in the center venice with the lions on each side but also the double-headed phoenix
1:53:38 meaning they control both sides to the left and right you see all the different countries they own
1:53:44 these are all servicing the main emperor they are not individual nations for some
1:53:49 reason we’re taught that in history yet no they still had control over these
1:53:54 nations in the 1500s look at the griffins now does that make sense why they’re
1:54:00 griffins in the biltmore sure you could say that george was just a fan of albert door but
1:54:07 that’s just accepting the mainstream narrative why and they never tell us that he was interested in symbolism so
1:54:14 why is he interested in this piece specifically if you look at all the ornamentation
1:54:21 it’s the exact same thing that you see with the biltmore it’s the same people but we’re told that
1:54:28 he was just inspired so he decided to make it a french chateau okay but why is there a roman emperor
1:54:36 engraving implying that they own all nations and that they serve maximilian
1:54:42 why would he put that there and not only that make it his prized selection
1:54:49 let’s continue so there’s this little porridge where we chilled for a bit and it’s really pretty
1:54:55 but you can also see more views of the stone work in the back and also more detail work all over the pillars
1:55:03 the next room is the tapestry room and there’s a bunch of old world furniture
1:55:09 here too look at this clock this is pretty crazy also these lamps too but they kind of
1:55:14 had these all over the place but i was really impressed by this german wood
1:55:21 i just thought it was insane and the cost just had to be unimaginable because
1:55:26 these are hundreds of years old these tapestries are 300 years old they tell us and
1:55:31 they show these really weird scenes either biblical mythical or showing
1:55:37 emperors now i think i should mention this there’s a lot of stag symbolism
1:55:44 now i didn’t capture all the instances but in the main opera room with the organ there was a lot of deer symbolism
1:55:50 or the stag which is really weird because outside the biltmore is a place
1:55:55 called the grand bohemian now if you remember from our little history
1:56:01 lesson this should trigger an alarm not only is it right in front of the
1:56:07 entrance their symbol is the red stag the stack is also the symbol for
1:56:13 hennessy which has its own coat of arms so in this room we get more stag symbolism
1:56:21 for some reason it seems that george was very fond of this deer symbolism hence the name deer park
1:56:28 this tapestry with the sun and also the early christian cairo seems weird to be
1:56:34 promoting all this elite symbolism on these tapestries in your just hunting
1:56:39 resort so now we get to the library and on the guided tour we actually went up to the
1:56:46 top level and i got to actually look at the books but i couldn’t touch them they had multiple books on metaphysics
1:56:52 and just big thick massive old books and on top of
1:56:57 that we saw a book that had to do with the works on cannibals or something
1:57:03 it was weird and we really couldn’t spend that much time investigating but what we do know about this room is that
1:57:10 supposedly there are 10 000 books in this room alone okay and not only that there are 10 000
1:57:17 more in a private collection stored in a climate controlled room that sounds very similar to the vatican
1:57:25 and that’s just books we’re told he has thousands of prints hundreds of maps and all sorts of stuff that we don’t get to
1:57:32 see and they keep stored in the back so essentially the most rare stuff is probably not even shown
1:57:38 but on top of the ceiling is a 300 year old painting that they say was imported from italy and
1:57:44 glued onto the ceiling or something they say that the architect hunt actually brought this before even constructing
1:57:50 the place wait so they’re just purchasing ancient paintings and
1:57:58 for some reason they’re selling these to these architects and he knew that he wanted it before they even started
1:58:05 building the biltmore okay so just look at this fireplace and i
1:58:11 believe you said it was made of black marble and then you have these vases in the
1:58:17 room that they said are from ancient china and are 500 years old or something
1:58:23 like that and just basically everywhere you look you just see this ancient old world
1:58:28 stuff and they’re just flexing it even on top of that george had the chess set of napoleon
1:58:37 that’s what he said but it wasn’t out for display or something so this really weird thing happened
1:58:42 because we were in the library and we were looking around and it was starting to get crowded and someone said wow it looks like a
1:58:50 room built for giants and me and women looked at each other and we were like okay that’s weird
1:58:56 but yeah even the guests that don’t even look into tartaria i mean i don’t know maybe they do but
1:59:02 still like people look at this and they they think this is a room for giants
1:59:08 so now we get to the stairs so they tell us that they built these floating stairs
1:59:15 just by using rope pulleys and horses i don’t really buy that story and why
1:59:21 should i there’s no evidence that they did so i’m sitting here listening to this guy
1:59:26 talking about how it was in perfect balance and it goes up almost like four stories
1:59:31 so i think we need a little bit more explanation on how they managed to make this
1:59:37 beautifully balanced floating staircase but no we continue through a bunch of
1:59:42 more things that aren’t necessarily worth showing as it kind of becomes guest rooms on the second floor but
1:59:50 there was this weird thing where the tour guide said that they had the ark of the covenant
1:59:56 and then he’s like ah just kidding but they had this replica of the ark of the
2:00:01 covenant and i’m over here thinking like wait why why do they have this and it has a lion
2:00:07 feet on it has all these ancient symbols and i’m just like okay they had to know about ancient tech or something
2:00:13 so to continue before coming to the biltmore i was told by many that there
2:00:19 are actually several underground tunnels there in multiple areas there’s this underground tunnel all the
2:00:26 way at the winery which is miles away this entire biltmore features the
2:00:31 largest basement in the united states and both buildings feature tunnels that connect to each other’s below ground
2:00:38 level it’s built completely on hilly landscape and from what i was told don’t take my
2:00:43 word on this supposedly there is a tunnel that goes behind the biltmore into an underground domes
2:00:50 it was sold as by many different people and also what’s a news report we showed earlier
2:00:56 they were mentioning that there was tunnels that went to the biltmore so i mean how else would it be
2:01:01 advantageous to hide from prohibition laws if it was just like limited to your estate so i mean these people were
2:01:08 trillionaires i don’t think they had any reason to hide from the prohibition these must have been tunnels that have
2:01:15 been there for a long time they weren’t afraid of the law they were the ones who put them in motion they
2:01:21 were married to the state legislators the media this is the oil oligarchy the
2:01:27 royal family with ancient origins they don’t care about no prohibition
2:01:33 this is not why the tunnels were built the reason is these are actually the lower levels of the building that did
2:01:40 not go through the same renovation that the upper portions did after coming back down the stairs you
2:01:46 actually can go to the basement we weren’t really sure about this so
2:01:51 you walk down this creepy underground tunnel kind of strange feeling and guys
2:01:56 i’m not going over any of that stuff but i mean karnataka is in here but you guys know no really reason to cover it but
2:02:03 yeah this leads to the bowling alley in the underground pool now here you can go and walk right
2:02:10 beneath the building but it seems very strange to me that there’s no explanation on the creation of the
2:02:16 basement or if it even goes further down how do we know we know that they built secret passages
2:02:22 all around the house so they were secretive how do we know that what they are
2:02:27 telling us is the truth so you know where these tunnels lead to
2:02:33 after you finish the tour and you’re underneath the building which deserves to have some honest questions
2:02:39 instead you’re led to the programming room which is kind of creepy because it’s
2:02:45 painted very weirdly and i have no idea why it was this way in comparison to the
2:02:50 rest of the house or why they have the photos down here but
2:02:55 this is where they begin to program you with the narrative that they want you to believe
2:03:01 do you really think that’s all there is to this story that what they tell us is the only story
2:03:08 that we need to know well if that’s good for you then there you go that’s theory number
2:03:15 one because the truth is none of us truly know the answer the first option is that they’re not
2:03:22 lying everything they tell us is the truth they really did build america there’s nothing really fishy about them and they
2:03:29 just worked their way from poor to rich that’s the theory which you already knew
2:03:35 so i’m not sure why you watched this entire video for me to just tell you that
2:03:40 when you go there they’re gonna have explanations the people who walk into the bookstore
2:03:46 are people who are curious on the origins and so they have these books approved
2:03:52 and ready to go for you to learn all this information all of which was not convincing to me
2:03:58 this main group the anti-tartarians which seem to really enjoy this first option
2:04:04 don’t seem to be aware of what they’re even saying or promoting they think that we should just all walk
2:04:11 into gift shops take these books and then just accept whatever they tell us
2:04:16 well i think that’s just contributing to the control and information without allowing
2:04:21 people to truly be free by thinking and asking the questions they want to ask but instead
2:04:27 they will repeat whatever the authorities tell us and then mock others for trying to get to the bottom of
2:04:33 things most of these people are not taking into consideration many
2:04:39 of the points i bring up such as the royal coat of arms symbolism waste management
2:04:45 vacant altered historical narratives such as columbus being the first to discover america and also like i showed
2:04:53 the secret connections of brotherhoods that seem to be behind all these architectures as evident by the coat of
2:04:59 arms this requires comparative skills that some are not willing to go into even
2:05:06 when it comes to the occult therefore they conclude that some
2:05:12 basic construction photos that show just a few stages are all the proof they need
2:05:18 well it’s not enough for me not only is it not enough
2:05:24 i don’t really trust a word they say i don’t see why we should trust any of them
2:05:29 i feel like i’ve been fair address the counter argument is it not possible that these are staged
2:05:36 events that this could have been orchestrated or planned not saying that they are fakes because
2:05:42 taking two photos of different places and combining the negatives actually creates a physical real
2:05:49 photograph so that it’s not really a fake and future generations wouldn’t be able to tell
2:05:55 again i’m not saying this was done no one knows we only know what they left us with
2:06:03 but we’ll make this clear in 90 of the case this is the mainstream argument and the
2:06:10 only point of those who object to this building having anything to do with tartaria
2:06:15 here it is there’s construction photos that’s the only point
2:06:21 but are you guys being fair are you covering the true history of the robber barons
2:06:28 why should we trust them literally the elite were hanging out with them royalty in europe
2:06:35 well i don’t see why we should trust them and so here is option two
2:06:41 it’s a lie yeah they’re just lying straight through their teeth
2:06:46 go through the biographies as we just did and really tell me that nothing is
2:06:51 up your question what about the dutch connection is there a venetian connection a
2:06:57 phoenician connection remember that v we were looking at earlier in the biltmore
2:07:04 they said that this stood for the vanderbilts right now explain when you look up
2:07:10 dutch east india company and you have to type in east but remember east and west are the exact same thing okay but this
2:07:17 is their emblem look at this it’s a v okay
2:07:23 and you know what the v stands for the v stands for united hm
2:07:29 but not only that remember all the stag symbolism
2:07:36 look at the coat of arms i found you don’t think there’s a connection why do they all have the same royal coat
2:07:42 of arms remember that headless knight look at it here
2:07:48 and we know that the vanderbilt’s built america made steamboat travel popular and
2:07:54 connected all the railroads and we know that the vanderbilts have dutch origins in new netherlands which
2:08:00 used to be old new york area but it’s actually underplayed and was far greater
2:08:06 it was the foundation of the united states the dutch east india company were the
2:08:12 true founders of the corporation of the united states this is why we don’t learn too much
2:08:18 about them they are the real vanderbilts a royal founded corporation under the
2:08:24 law and power of the throne of the vatican which was really controlled by the foundation of the nations
2:08:30 we’re talking bloodlines bloodlines that go back to early 1400s the people
2:08:35 responsible for all this are post reset now i don’t find the explanation of
2:08:41 george accumulating all this art and collections of valuables from around the world to be convincing at all as it
2:08:47 makes more sense to attribute this to the dutch east india company who had been sailing around the world for
2:08:53 hundreds of years and had trillions of dollars they were the first global corporation that makes sense that they
2:09:00 had all these items and then used them to decorate the vast majority of these abandoned old world mansions with
2:09:08 we’re going to go over two theories the first will be for people who kind of believe the mainstream narrative but
2:09:14 they’re willing to accept that there’s something up and so they’ll step into the shallow end right
2:09:20 okay so you see the connections with all that i’ve said i think the next best explanation is
2:09:26 that okay let’s say that they constructed this but the age and methods
2:09:31 used are up for question remember because their whole brand is
2:09:36 that the vanderbilt achieved the american dream they started as poor dutch farmers and
2:09:41 just worked their way up from immigrants to becoming the wealthiest families in america
2:09:46 that is crucial for their story so let’s say that’s not true
2:09:51 and that actually the dutch moravian brotherhood of royalty is involved and
2:09:56 they kept us under wraps they had special old world tech from a past civilization or they were keeping
2:10:03 their progression in secret for example with the steamboat they had this technology for a long time and
2:10:10 slowly just released it out to the public but in this case they did so under the
2:10:16 guise of capitalism that seemed to be their main method of releasing new information to the public
2:10:22 after the 1800s some random capitalists would just make all this progress out of nowhere that
2:10:28 way the state can’t be blamed for being involved nowhere on the wikipedia page does this
2:10:34 say that he ingrained dutch symbolism or heraldry and that’s important to know
2:10:40 because all it says is that it was inspired by french renaissance because everyone knows that this gothic
2:10:47 style with the florida lay is typically associated with the french but as i’ve shown you in the first chapter it goes
2:10:53 much deeper than that so they had other building techniques that they do not tell us about meaning
2:11:01 no they weren’t using pulleys in just a few men this was an industry
2:11:06 there’s no way they were just whipping these mansions out of nowhere in the 1870s and again
2:11:12 i really don’t see where the love and passion for this architecture came from they all came from ignorant farmers with
2:11:18 no interest in education that’s what we’re told they could have had some steam crane
2:11:23 technology or machinery that we don’t know about and they just don’t want us to know about because that would imply
2:11:30 they had tech we don’t and that also this was not the ventures of a man wanting a country home that this was
2:11:36 some type of corporate operation now that may be interesting to people as
2:11:42 there’s an indication that this was built on top of an older structure so even then i don’t think they built all
2:11:49 of it especially if we consider underground cities as with asheville and subterranean networks
2:11:54 we also know that the dutch hired explorers to go find new ventures so they would look for abandoned and
2:12:00 ruined old world structures for them to go on these huge renovation projects
2:12:06 which we get to the final theory which is my thoughts
2:12:12 i think they’re liars after comparing and contrasting i don’t think they considered that people would
2:12:19 be able to see their fingerprints i think the story of the robber barons is bs
2:12:25 i think the story involving the dutch east india company is highly exaggerated why should we believe them
2:12:31 if they’re the ones behind all this i got some serious questions which is why is this not known about
2:12:38 well it’s because there was a reset most likely within the last 500 years in which an old world civilization went
2:12:45 through multiple periods of systematic cataclysm to the point of it being possibly a contrived event
2:12:52 these cataclysms caused earthquakes floods mudslides and even comets that
2:12:58 would be a sign of these dark times the power of the old world was shifted into the jesuits who were in control of
2:13:04 rome and the vatican slowly moving their power across europe and making their domination known
2:13:10 their powerhouse became venice as they began to rediscover many of the lost arts and sciences of the past age they
2:13:16 needed to begin disseminating this information to the public but they needed to put their initials on it
2:13:22 because there couldn’t be any knowledge of the old world this was the book burnings they erased
2:13:28 the past and decided the world would be created anew the new world a new atlantis
2:13:34 and so venice expanded into multiple powerhouses and brotherhoods throughout all of europe forming their own cults to
2:13:41 please their master which really goes back to the canaanites baal
2:13:46 this is their true god as these people were inversionist they began giving titles to the
2:13:52 bloodline families that had been created through intermingling and these people
2:13:57 were complete idiots these are the people who began getting all the palaces and chateaus in europe right and they
2:14:03 would just all over them and that’s a fool like marquis de sade
2:14:08 they were totally fine with it because they were dark occultists they had no intention on lifting humanity but they
2:14:16 wanted to enslave them look at the first global corporation started in america they are the dutch
2:14:23 the vanderbilts are dutch we aren’t going to ask any questions how easy would it be to just make up all
2:14:29 these figures and remember they have the burden of proof all i have to say is i’m not convinced
2:14:35 and rightfully so as there are barely any details on these people as when it comes to the commodore
2:14:41 he even refused to speak in public how do we truly know these people existed
2:14:46 letters pictures okay all that can be fabricated by maniac trillionaires with a mission to
2:14:52 control so these vanderbilts once moving from converting from dutch and they became
2:15:00 english they still kept their dutch connections but they’d never really tell you that in the documentaries
2:15:06 they don’t want you to know that these people were a part of a club the new
2:15:11 york club of wealthy american aristocrats which out of nowhere and all of a sudden
2:15:18 decide to create architecture that hasn’t been created in hundreds of years and really no other nation is doing
2:15:24 anything like this in the same amount of time as i said with fifth avenue i don’t believe that story at all and these were
2:15:31 done in almost a decade and then demolished um and then the same thing with the world fair all of us in three
2:15:38 years outrageous to accept the official history of asheville and not wonder how
2:15:43 they built all these subterranean networks that connected the city how did they build all these buildings
2:15:48 in such a short time period something isn’t adding up i believe the bill more to be an old
2:15:56 world tartarian mansion i don’t think this phoenician hijackers can build with sacred symmetry at all
2:16:02 they aren’t creative they’re copycatters they’re parasites if they had tecton
2:16:09 why are there no buildings like this being constructed today okay sure maybe they had steam engines
2:16:15 i still don’t really think they could do this and i don’t see the evidence for it
2:16:20 after going to the library and thoroughly researching the vanderbilts i’m not really convinced there’s a lot
2:16:26 of red flags and after reading the stories i can’t even really show you guys everything there’s just so much to
2:16:31 cover for example with the story of the titanic jp morgan and how
2:16:38 vanderbilt’s trip were cancelled as if they may have known that
2:16:43 something was going to happen people are willing to accept
2:16:49 that they did the whole titanic thing on purpose for the insurance or whatever but
2:16:55 you know that means they lied right these people are scummy business people
2:17:01 why should we believe the biographers why should we believe the media and not think it has anything to do with
2:17:09 propaganda then people know all about the bloodlines right freemason bloodlines
2:17:14 and this actually connects with the coat of arms again but people are willing to accept that but
2:17:21 what i’m saying is too far what i think is that these people are defacers
2:17:27 they are renovators not builders so yeah it required sculptors and yes i
2:17:33 do think they had talented artists i know we had the video on ancient petrification but that doesn’t mean
2:17:39 there weren’t extremely talented artists at this time and i do think they sculpted the fake
2:17:44 facades as this was a part of turning the old world tartarian buildings into a more modern look
2:17:51 otherwise it would be blatantly obvious how old this thing was you know there was this overall darkness
2:17:57 because i kind of realized that ancient art and architecture was being used to
2:18:02 continually facilitate these families ever expanding growth and wealth
2:18:08 don’t get me wrong i was in awe when i saw it but there was a feeling that something wasn’t right
2:18:13 the ability to continually profit off of this is insane and i can’t even imagine how much the biltmore makes in a day
2:18:21 but overall i do want to say i highly recommend going to the biltmore
2:18:26 this isn’t a promotion or anything but my review is i enjoyed it we both enjoyed it
2:18:33 everyone should go they were really nice people everybody so please don’t go there causing any
2:18:40 type of trouble or anything many of these workers they really just don’t know and i believe even the surviving
2:18:46 vanderbilts they don’t know either at this point everything is up for question
2:18:52 but the guy told me that the current rainbow owners were just like normal people who came in wearing normal
2:18:57 clothing to blend in which i kind of think may have some truth to it because
2:19:03 like many of these elites that get these remaining architectures most likely
2:19:08 don’t know what’s going on either they were just transported here and given their own narratives and same goes for
2:19:14 the modern freemasons and politicians they don’t know the full history or narrative there’s levels to this there’s
2:19:21 historical programming and this just happens from the day we’re born
2:19:27 the bilmore is literally a collection of old world art like i said
2:19:33 i believe it to be an old world tartarian structure so tell me what do you think
2:19:40 do you believe the mainstream narrative is there a connection to the dutch east india company and all their other
2:19:46 ventures what’s with all the coat of arms do you think that’s worth noting
2:19:52 do you trust the robber baron story i mean we’re told they are the enemy
2:19:58 what do you think about the biltmore do you guys have any more details about asheville that’d be interesting
2:20:05 i appreciate everyone who’s gotten this far and thank you so much for everyone who supports us we really enjoyed this trip
2:20:12 and we’d like to continue exploring old world buildings for you guys and all you have to do is really just tell
2:20:17 your friends tell your friends all about us and so with that i hope you enjoyed this one
2:20:24 and all we can hope is that our minds may be unveiled
2:20:30 go of everything you think to be true relax the mind and ask the question
2:20:36 do i truly understand what this reality is
Whenever a survivor comes forward to tell their stories of ritual abuse against the rich, famous and powerful the propaganda PR machine cranks up with the usual garbage.
The psychopathic powers try to denigrate any survivors that come out from the perpetrators mind control experiments and torture programmes including Monarch programming and Mk Ultra.
Standard propaganda from the cabal psychopaths is
The whistleblower is mad
There is no such thing as ritual abuse
The memories are false
There is no such thing as repressed memories
There is no such thing as dissociation
The globalist criminal cabal even went as far as inventing a “False Memory Syndrome” and also forming a False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) to try to counter the truth and sow disinformation.
FMSF was formed by and from a bunch of corrupt characters and MK Ultra perpetrators. Unfortunately it was successful to a large extent in confusing, getting the mockingbird media to parrot their lies, and getting the court to accept their lies as “expert witnesses”.
The cabal know well their experiments and torture, and they try and pretend that these memories which remain in the mind but may surface later are false memories.
They pretend that all the memories from all the ritually abused and mind controlled people who went through their sadistic programmes are somehow induced much later by a therapist or psychologist ie iatrogenic. The cabal try and gaslight authorities and victims, knowing full well that what the survivors think happened, did happen. Of course the cabal have a vested interest in lying and gaslighting. They are guilty.
The Cabal say that there is no such thing as Freudian repression of memories. One of their propaganda tools, wikipedia says “Repressed memory is a controversial, and largely scientifically discredited, claim[1] that memories for traumatic events may be stored in the unconscious mind and blocked from normal conscious recall.[2]
I doubt that, but that argument is the deflection, the bait and switch. The real point is that a different alter, an alternate personality caused by extreme trauma, has in their memory what happened, but there are amnesic barriers between alters.
The “false memories” outfit know that they deliberately cause many alters (alternate personalities) in the brain that have amnesic barriers between and one alter will not remember another alters experiences.
Evidence comes from many many survivors of programming and more every day, but also ex top level programmers such as Svali. You only have to check her website to know the depths of depravity to which the programmers sink… and the compartmentalisation of victims brains is deliberate, desired by the perpetrators and very highly organised. Svali Speaks Again[2]
Much of the nonsense about false memories came from Elizabeth Loftus who published a book, not a scientific paper of a properly controlled experiment.
Fiona tore apart the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and Elizabeth Loftus in her excellent book Eyes Wide Open Lockdown Edition[5] I have reproduced most of the mentions of False Memory in Fiona’s book, so that the sections on the False Memory Syndrome Foundation are more easily available, as this global disinformation organisation still rears its distorted head, as do the lies behind them. The USA FMSF however was disbanded just 4 months after her book in 31 Dec 2019. However the UK version still limps on.
Some of the formatting has goen astray in the reproduction here…
False Memory Excerpts from Fionas Book…Eyes Wide Open Lockdown Edition[5]
‘FALSE MEMORY SYNDROME’
In 1993, Dr Corydon Hammond, a professor at the University of Utah’s School of Medicine, conducted a seminar on federally funded mind control experiments. Topics covered by Hammond included brainwashing, post-hypnotic programming and the induction of multiple personalities by the CIA. Hammond contended that the cult underground has roots in Nazi Germany, and that the CIA’s cult mind control techniques were based upon those of Nazi scientists recruited by the CIA for Cold Warfare. (Researcher Lenny Lapon estimates in Mass Murderers in White Coats that 5,000 Nazis resettled in the US after WWII.) Hammond was forced to drop this line of inquiry by professional ridicule, especially from the CIA’s False Memory Syndrome Foundation, and a barrage of death threats. At a recent regional conference on ritual child abuse, he regretted that he could no longer speak on the theme of government mind control.
MK-ULTRA child rapist and killer Martin Orne cofounded the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. The concept of ‘false memory’ was in fact the brainchild of Lt. Col. Michael Aquino, the US Army Intelligence Officer who headed Psychological Operations. In classic PsyOp style, Aquino appeared on Oprah dressed in theatrical pop-satanism garb, to muddy the waters after multiple children identified him as a Luciferian pedophile. Aquino was implicated in every major USA case involving CIA child trafficking, ritual abuse and MK-ULTRA mind control, including the McMartin Preschool, Presidio Preschool, and Franklin scandals. Aquino and Orne’s False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) and its Australian counterpart (AFMA) were formed specifically to counter the tidal wave of disclosure by victims of CIA child trafficking and Project MK-UKLTRA which began in the 1980s and peaked in the early 1990s before the CIA effectively shut it down. The FMSF Board comprised of former CIA and military doctors with backgrounds in behaviour modification – not ritual abuse.66 All members were accused pedophiles and/or CIA perpetrators. Like PIE, the FMSF offered legal support to accused pedophiles. Here are some facts about key False Memory associates:
USA ‘FALSE MEMORY SYNDROME’ FOUNDATION (FMSF)
Martin T. Orne (Founder)
Senior CIA MK-ULTRA psychiatrist.
Raped and murdered countless MK-ULTRA child subjects.
Co-Director, Unit for Experimental Psychiatry, University of Pennsylvania.
Editor in chief, International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis (1961 to 1992).
Experimented in hypnotic programming and dissolving memory.
Conducted unethical bogus research, fabricated statistics, generalised narrow findings to population at large.
Successfully sued twice for lying about child abuse victims.
Avoided psychology deregistration by resigning.
Ralph Underwager
Psychiatrist discredited in US courts.
Told Amsterdam pedophile magazine journalist it is ‘God’s will’ and ‘responsible’ for adults to rape children.
Told British reporters in 1994 that ‘scientific evidence’ proved 60% of all women molested as children believed the experience was ‘good for them.’
Hollida Wakefield-Underwager
Ralph Underwager’s wife.
Peter and Pamela Freyd
Psychiatrists.
Stepsiblings who married.
Peter was sexually abused at age 11 and later prostituted himself.
Accused of incest by their daughter.
Harold Lief
Former Army Major in Medical Corps.
Close colleague of Martin Orne.
MK-ULTRA psychiatrist experimented with behaviour modification and hypnosis programming at the University of Pennsylvania’s Unit for Experimental Psychiatry.
Employed by the Freyds to retrospectively diagnose their adult daughter as a ‘fantasist’ for accusing them of incest, after he joined the FMSF, and when he was not Jennifer Freyd’s doctor. He made this diagnosis after Jennifer had qualified as a PhD psychologist and university lecturer, and after she outed her parents during a 1993 conference presentation.
David Dinges
Co-Director of University of Pennsylvania’s Unit for Experimental Psychiatry with Martin Orne.
Margaret Singer
Testified (with Louis Jolyon West and Martin Orne) in the Patty Hearst trial.
Experts on cults and brainwashing.
Investigated techniques used by North Koreans against American soldiers.
Collaborated with CIA doctor Richard Ofshe.67
Campbell W. Perry
Australian hypnosis expert.
MK-ULTRA psychologist.
AUSTRALIAN FALSE MEMORY ASSOCIATION
Michael Cox (President)
Accused by daughter of sexual abuse.
Convicted of raping two stepsons (his conviction was typically overturned on technicality).
President CAFSA (Citizens Against False Sexual Allegations; CAFSA knowingly employed convicted pedophile Bob Dutton; CAFSA was supported by MK-ULTRA hypnotist Peter W. Sheehan.
Robert Stanley (President)
Member International Society of Hypnosis.
Deregistered by Psychology Board for having sex with a client who died shortly after.68
Graham Dene Burrows
Order of Australia Medal.
Authored books on hypnosis.
Provided reference in failed attempt to reinstate associate Robert Stanley’s psychology registration.
Photographed hosting Martin Orne at his home on 22 August 1979.
Victorian Medical Board reluctantly ‘investigated’ him in 2011 after the media reported they had received 100 complaints about him in three days.69 (Used patient as guinea pig, resulting in suicide. Destroyed patient medical file to prevent investigation into his over-prescription of drugs causing kidney failure.)
Retrospectively diagnosed father as mentally ill and so not responsible for throwing his four-year-old off a bridge.70 (Criticised by presiding judge. Accused of concocting the evidence by MP who demanded the University of Melbourne sack him.)
Jerome Gelb
Co-founded the AFMA in consultation with FMSF.
Branded ‘mentally unstable’ after bringing a loaded handgun to court. A subsequent police raid found a cache of illegal weapons (800 rounds, guns, knives, cattle prod) stored in his home.71
Edward Ogden
Worked for the Victorian Police Force (who were outed by Dr Reina Michaelson as Luciferian pedophiles).
Said, ‘Mind-control is a fantasy of the Cold War.’
Involved in various drug experiments.
David Millikan
‘Cult investigator’ who said, ‘only middle-class people join cults.’
Worked for the ABC with Nevill Drury.
Co-authored ABC book with Drury promoting Christianity and New Age compatibility.
Drury was a Luciferian and Shaman who took LSD at the Esalen Institute.
Drury promoted Michael Aquino.
Drury wrote the only authoritative biography of Rosaleen Norton, the notorious 1950s-60s ‘Witch of Kings Cross’ who worshipped Pan, Hecate, Lilith and Lucifer, and practised Kundalini yoga, out-of-the-body trance exploration, and Aleister Crowley’s Thelemic sex magick.
Jan Groenveld
‘Investigated cults’ with David Millikan.
Daughter is a Satanic Ritual Abuse victim.
CAN (Cult Awareness Network) member with MK-ULTRA US Army doctor Col. Louis Jolyon West (my perpetrator).
Founded Australia’s Cult Awareness Information Centre.
Trained in MK-ULTRA developed Neuro Linguistic Programming.
Influenced by Steven Alan Hassan (CAN member mentored by NLP creator John Grinder).
Yolande Lucire
Demonstrated a Scientology approach to psychiatric medication.
Agreed to not administer psychiatric treatment to a Scientologist’s daughter who consequently killed her father.
Member Australia’s Cult Awareness Information Centre.
PETER & PAMELA FREYD The Freyds were stepsiblings who married. They coined the term ‘false memory syndrome’ in response to being accused of sexually abusing their daughter Dr Jennifer Freyd, a University of Oregon Psychology Professor who outed them at a 1993 mental health conference in Ann Arbor, Michigan. On 17 April 1995, Peter Freyd’s brother William wrote an open letter to WGBH-Boston, criticising the TV station’s inexplicable bias in favour of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation: There is no doubt in my mind that there was severe abuse in the home of Peter and Pam…The False Memory Syndrome Foundation is a fraud designed to deny a reality that Peter and Pam have spent most of their lives trying to escape.72
Ralph Underwager was a founding FMSF member. In June 1991, Joseph Geraci, Editor-in-Chief of the pro-pedophilia publication, Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia interviewed Ralph Underwager in Amsterdam. During this interview, Geraci asked Underwager, ‘Is choosing pedophilia for you a responsible choice for the individual?’ Underwager responded: Certainly, it is responsible. What I have been struck by as I have come to know more about and understand people who choose paedophilia is that they let themselves be too much defined by other people. That is usually an essentially negative definition.
Pedophiles spend a lot of time and energy defending their choice. I don’t think that a pedophile needs to do that. Pedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love. I am also a theologian and as a theologian, I believe it is God’s will that there be closeness and intimacy, unity of the flesh, between people.
A pedophile can say: ‘This closeness is possible for me within the choices that I’ve made.’ Pedophiles are too defensive. They go around saying, ‘You people out there are saying that what I choose is bad, that it’s no good. You’re putting me in prison, you’re doing all these terrible things to me. I have to define my love as being in some way or other illicit.’ What I think is that pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness, they can say, ‘I believe this is in fact part of God’s will.’ They have the right to make these statements for themselves as personal choices. Now, whether or not they can persuade other people they are right is another matter.
‘MR BUBBLES’ RITUAL ABUSE CASE Ralph Underwager gave crucial evidence in Australia’s notorious ‘Mr Bubbles’ case in which children were sexually and ritually abused while attending Sydney’s Seabeach Kindergarten. Underwager was interviewed by Australia’s 60 Minutes in an episode, Witness for Mr Bubbles, which aired 5 August 1990. Reporter Mike Munro stated: Six weeks ago (17 June 1990) we brought you a story that a number of people, including some in high places, wanted to keep secret: the case against Mr Bubbles.
In that report, parents named Tony Deren as the man who had sexually assaulted their children. Deren’s wife ran the kindergarten they attended. Tonight, we investigate another crucial aspect of this disturbing case. You remember, police listed seventeen young victims, and more than fifty (54) criminal charges were eventually laid. But when the Mr Bubbles case went to court, not one of the children was called to give evidence. The charges were thrown out, and Tony Deren was set free.
One of the key Deren witnesses was a hired gun from the United States, a psychologist named Ralph Underwager, who says he’s an expert in child sexual abuse. He testified that the children’s evidence had been contaminated, and they were too young to know what the truth was… This is Ralph Underwager, psychologist. He was paid $25,000 and gave crucial evidence in favour of Tony Deren; evidence which helped Deren walk free… Always the same story: three and four-year-olds being lured into bubble baths with a man who sexually abused them.
Professor Kim Oates: Having examined them, and talked with them, I’m absolutely convinced the children were sexually abused. Reporter: There’s absolutely no doubt? Oates: No doubt at all Reporter: That’s the evidence Professor Kim Oates wanted to give in court. But he was never asked. As head of the Child Protection Unit at the Camperdown Children’s Hospital in Sydney, he’s known around the world as an expert in detecting child sexual abuse. Reporter: So, we have 18 children who were examined, five of whom your staff say were definitely sexually abused, and all of them from the same preschool. What’s your reaction to that? Oates: Well, I think if you look at the incidence of significant child sexual abuse in the community, significant enough to lay physical findings in the preschool age group, I think it’s extraordinary. Reporter: This is Debbie’s medical report. Once again, it was positive; there was sexual abuse. Debbie’s Mother: I was entirely spun out on that because I, at that point, had been trying to tell myself that, no, this wasn’t happening, it wasn’t true, who would interfere with my child. 2nd Child: (wasn’t identified): I put some things in his body, and he put some things in my body, but I didn’t want him to. Reporter: Cindy’s medical report confirms she was abused. The doctor found signs consistent with traumatic dilatation of the anus… This is Boroko Court House, Port Moresby, New Guinea. In 1972, Deren was brought here, charged with the aggravated assault of two young girls. He’d interfered with them in a swimming pool. Something Deren admits. And both charges were proven. There’s no doubt scores of questions remain unanswered in the Mr Bubbles case, and some of them relate to Ralph Underwager, the expert witness Tony Deren paid to testify on his behalf. Ralph Underwager was imperative to Tony Deren’s defence. As a supposed independent expert, he testified that the evidence of the Bubbles children had become contaminated. And, they were too young to understand their duty to tell the truth. But, here in America, we’ve certainly discovered Underwager’s reputation and credentials aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. Dr Salter: Well, he is someone who makes his living going around the country and testifying against children in child sexual abuse cases. He says the same thing in essentially every case. Which is every… Reporter: And Anna Salter knows what she’s talking about. A PhD from Harvard, and a master’s degree in Early Childhood. She says young children can be believed. Dr Salter: This is consistent with the literature. If you look at what is the best legal textbook in the country today on children as witnesses, ‘Child Witness: Theory and Practice,’ Malcolm Meyers says clearly children as young as three can comprehend the duty to tell the truth. Reporter: And this man is a highly respected legal scholar in America? Dr Salter: I think he’s fairly clearly the chief leading scholar on child sexual abuse in the country. Reporter: Six American states have given Dr Salter a grant to check Underwager’s methods in court. And what did she find? Dr Salter: That he isn’t accurate. That what he says in court does not necessarily fairly represent the literature. Reporter: He distorts the facts. Dr Salter: Uh, frequently. Sometimes he quotes specific studies, and he’s frequently wrong about what the studies say. Reporter: So, we thought we’d get Dr Salter to analyse the evidence Underwager gave under oath at the Mr Bubbles hearing, where he testified his qualifications had never been questioned.
But in an American case, the Swann case, this is what the courts said about Mr Underwager. Dr Salter: The court remains convinced the psychologist did not have the qualifications to testify as a doctor. The trial court ruled that the psychologist’s proposed testimony was not proper because there was no indication that the results of the doctor’s work had been accepted in the scientific community. Reporter: In the Mr Bubbles case, he said his qualifications were never in question… Now, the second incident, in the Mr Bubbles case, was where Underwager said that 90 percent of accusations against child molesters are wrong. Now, is that backed up scientifically? Dr Salter: No, that’s gobbledegook. I don’t know of any study that would support that… Reporter: Ralph Underwager was hired to defend Polly’s father. And as usual, he testified that nothing had happened. It was all a delusion, and Polly had simply made the whole story up. But then, Underwager was cross-examined by Polly’s lawyer, Eric Vaughan. Lawyer: He used the theory that it was a delusion of the child that she was doing a favour for the mother by saying this happened when it really didn’t happen, to gain the favour and to be the apple of the eye of the mother. Reporter: A delusion that she was continually raped over four days. Lawyer: That’s right. Reporter: The jury took only an hour to decide Polly Barnes was telling the truth, and that Ralph Underwager’s testimony that nothing had happened, could be ignored. In fact, Underwager’s evidence was rejected so much, the jury awarded Polly three and a quarter million dollars… So, while Underwager was being rejected here in America, he had no such trouble at the Mr Bubbles hearing in Australia where he testified that the children were too young to tell the truth… Ralph Underwager has testified for the defendants in about 400 child abuse cases.
ELIZABETH LOFTUS: CIA PSYCHOLOGIST Royal Commissioner James Wood used the gangrenous writings of CIA psychologist Elizabeth Loftus to dismiss multiple witness accounts of organised pedophilia and ritual abuse. Wood’s Final Report referenced Loftus’ 1994 book, The Myth of Repressed Memory: False Memories and Allegations of Sexual Abuse, to support his conclusions: a. ‘False memories’ of Ritual Abuse can be artificially created as a result of third person suggestion, b. A victim of Ritual Abuse can’t experience dissociation and repression of traumatic memories, and c. Ritual Abuse victims are female ‘attention-seeking’ hypochondriacs whose flashbacks may be attributed to overly zealous female therapists.
Loftus’ 1994 book was not a scientifically conducted, peer reviewed research publication. It was just a book. At the time of her 1994 book release, Loftus had published one study relevant to her ‘false memory’ theory, an experiment which examined university students’ memory for films of car accidents.73
In 1995, Loftus co-published the notorious Lost in a Shopping Mall study.74 75 76 77 78 Loftus’ assigned University of Washington postgraduate student James Coan as chief coinvestigator for her mall study. Subjects’ family members were asked to provide James Coan with three true childhood stories about the subjects, and to describe a typical family shopping trip. Based on the shopping trip descriptions, a false story was created for each subject about getting lost as a child during a shopping trip. Subjects were told their family members said the events ‘had happened.’ The subjects were asked to repeat the stories and to try and remember more details. Finally, the subjects were told that one of the memories was false and asked to choose the false memory.
Elizabeth Loftus conducted and published this research before receiving ethical approval for the study. Loftus added a second interview plus another evaluation scale to the research protocol long after the study was approved on 10 August 1992. James Coan reported in his 1993 honours thesis that only 6/24 subjects completed the study, and zero subjects created a false memory.79 80 Crook and Dean (1999) analysed Loftus’ data and discovered only 2/24 subjects likely completed the study.81
First year psychology students are taught, a minimum of n=10 subjects is required for valid statistical analysis. So, Loftus blatantly lied when she reported: ‘Of the 24 total, 19 subjects correctly chose the getting-lost memory as the false one, while the remaining five incorrectly thought that one of the true events was the false one… These findings reveal that people can be led to believe that entire events happened to them after suggestions to that effect.’82
The raw data from the shopping mall study were subpoenaed by defence attorneys in Burgus v. Braun. Loftus successfully obtained a gag order for her fraudulent data. The case settled on 31 October 1997 and the data returned to Loftus. Elizabeth Loftus published another lab experiment in 1996.83 This examined, ‘whether imagining events from one’s past can affect memory for childhood events.’ A total of 38 undergraduate psychology students (young female university students studying the same course) participated in the study for course credit. Loftus asked the students to imagine described events such as tripping over or falling through a window.
The characteristics of Elizabeth Loftus’ samples made it inappropriate for her to generalise findings from her studies to the population at large. And yet Loftus drew conclusions from these severely flawed studies about the reliability of child abuse memories, and the possibility that a parent or therapist could create false memories of child abuse in a person who has experienced trauma of the most severe kind. Loftus basically equated a psychology student’s experience of watching a car crash film or imagining themselves falling over – with real life accounts of being systematically raped and tortured throughout one’s development. That is beyond preposterous.
Elizabeth Loftus’ conclusions failed to hold up under cross examination. In 1994, Lynn Crook successfully sued Loftus. Lawyer Barbara Jo Levy asked Loftus, ‘If you are asked to testify about your experiments of implanting false memories, would you use those first six?’ Loftus replied, ‘No, I don’t think I will use the first six’ (Transcript, p.61). In December 1995, two women filed ethics complaints against Elizabeth Loftus with the American Psychological Association, claiming she had misrepresented their successful recalled-memory lawsuits to the media. Loftus resigned from the APA in January 1996, so the APA dropped their investigation.
A Washington Post article entitled, In the Sharon Case, a Grilling to Remember (27 October 2006) described a damning cross examination of Elizabeth Loftus: But when Fitzgerald got his chance to cross-examine Loftus about her findings, he had her stuttering to explain her own writings and back pedalling from her earlier assertions. Citing several of her publications, footnotes and the work of her peers, Fitzgerald got Loftus to acknowledge that the methodology she had used at times in her long academic career was not that scientific, that her conclusions about memory were conflicting, and that she had exaggerated a figure and a statement from her survey of D.C. jurors that favoured the defence.
In 2003, Nicole Tau successfully sued Loftus for invasion of privacy. At age six years, during a videotaped interview by a medical doctor, Tau had accused her mother of child abuse. Tau subsequently forgot her abuse but spontaneously recalled it at age 17 years. Corwin and Olafson (1997) published an article about the case, favouring the notion that repressed memory of childhood abuse can be recalled. Elizabeth Loftus set out to discredit Tau by hiring a private investigator to locate Tau. The PI lied to Tau’s family by pretending to be Corwin’s research assistant. Loftus subsequently published an article based on the PI’s interviews with Tau’s family in which she identified Tau as a victim of crime. Tau filed an ethics complaint against Loftus in 1999 with the University of Washington who upheld the complaint.
During a 2013 TED Talk about memory, Loftus intentionally misrepresented the basic facts of Nicole Tau’s case by saying it was about a ‘woman’ who ‘accused her mother of sexual abuse based on a repressed memory.’ Loftus knowingly omitted crucial facts of the case: that Tau was six years old when she made the report, then forgot the memory, and then spontaneously and accurately recalled the memory 11 years later at age 17 years.
CIA INFILTRATED AUSTRALIAN THERAPY INDUSTRY A 1994 FMS newsletter documented the influence the CIA pedophiles had on Australian therapists. The following is a letter to the FMA from Jerome Gelb (the psychiatrist who took a loaded handgun to court):
NEWS FROM AUSTRALIA The Australian False Memory Association has now been formally organized. The links between the AFMA and Australian professionals seem strong and the fact that the Australian Psychological Society [APS] has already established guidelines for recovered memory situations indicates a positive and determined approach by professionals to deal with the problem.
A letter from Dr Jerome Gelb, a psychiatrist in Australia, affirms this optimism. He states, ‘I am writing to keep you up to date with events in Australia regarding FMS and Recovered Memory Therapy. Australian Psychiatrists are, apart from very few exceptions, fully aware of the iatrogenesis of so-called repressed memories, MPD and Satanic Abuse. The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists has been helpful in publishing on the issue.’
Dr Gelb mentioned the television and newspaper articles that have recently appeared in Australia noting that they understand the iatrogenic nature of some memories. Dr Gelb said that he had published a detailed letter to the Editor in the December 1994 RANZCP Journal of Psychiatry and that the journal of Australasian Psychiatry, Vol 2, No 4, August 1994, pp 179-180 had published his article, ‘Reality Revisited.’
Dr Gelb went on to write that, ‘I feel that public opinion in Australia is supportive and the media is also. Most importantly, Australian Psychiatrists are almost universally wary of American therapy fads and are highly critical of poorly trained therapists and the inappropriate use of suggestion, persuasion and memory recovery techniques of all kinds. Please let your membership know of these developments.’ 84
CIA-DICTATED APS RECOVERED MEMORY GUIDELINES The APS Guidelines Relating to Recovered Memories were introduced on 27 October
According to the 1994 US FMS newsletter, the APS Guidelines Relating to Recovered Memories were adapted from a book written by MK-ULTRA hypnosis researchers Australian Peter W. Sheehan and Kevin M. McConkey which was based on their hypnosis research.85 Kevin McConkey and Peter Sheehan then presented their views at the 28th Annual Congress of the Australian Society of Hypnosis. Their presentation paper was subsequently published.86 Presenters at that same conference included the usual suspects:
Graham D. Burrows (Chairman, Board of Education, Australian Society of Hypnosis)
Jeffrey Zeig (Rented out Disneyland for two nights for the Psychotherapy conferences at which Milton Ericson & Carl Rogers trained attendees in their MK-ULTRA methods.)
Barry J. Evans (MK-ULTRA trained under Martin Orne at Sydney University).
Greg J. Coman, University of Melbourne, co-authored books with Barry J. Evans.
Note that the 2019 Annual Congress of the Australian Society of Hypnosis featured a workshop in ‘Shamanic healing through altered consciousness’ to ‘explore the Lower, Middle and Upper worlds that a shamanic journey can take one to. Each level represents an area of consciousness…’ I did that workshop too – at age six.
Peter Sheehan (Australian Catholic University) and Kevin McConkey (University of NSW) both conducted hypnosis research with MK-ULTRA psychiatrist Martin T. Orne. 87 Kevin McConkey was the current APS President, and his hypnosis book was currently in press, when the APS introduced their Guidelines Relating to Recovered Memories that he co-authored. Here are the key points from APS Guidelines Relating to Recovered Memories that stopped Australian psychologists acknowledging the existence of ritual abuse and mind control, and treating victims of extreme abuse, for the following 25 years:
– Memories can be altered, deleted, and created by events that occur during and after the time of encoding, and during the period of storage, and during any attempts at retrieval. – Although some clinical observations support the notion of repressed memories, empirical research on memories generally does not. Moreover, the scientific evidence does not allow general statements to be made about any relationship between trauma and memory. – The available scientific and clinical evidence does not allow accurate, inaccurate, and fabricated memories to be distinguished in the absence of independent corroboration. – Assumptions that adult problems may or may not be associated with repressed memories from childhood can’t be sustained by available scientific evidence. – Psychologists should be alert to the role that they may play in creating or shaping false memories. – Psychologists should seek to meet the needs of clients who report memories of abuse and should do this quite apart from the truth or falsity of those reports. – Psychologists should explore with the client the meaning and implications of the memory for the client, rather than focus solely on the content of the reported memory. – Psychologists should be aware that research is needed to understand more about trauma-related memory, techniques to enhance memory, and techniques to deal effectively with childhood sexual abuse.
Let me place things into perspective: The men who wrote these APS Guidelines trained under Martin Orne who, according to US Congressional witness testimony, raped, tortured and murdered children in the name of national security and psychological research. Here is my retort to the above points:
– There is zero scientific evidence to support the claim that mainstream therapists can create false memories. Only MK-ULTRA doctors possess the knowledge and military technology to radically alter memory. Memories can only be deleted during and after encoding using unethical hypnosis, illicit drugs, torture, and cutting-edge medical procedures. – ‘False memory syndrome’ is not a recognised mental health condition, has no clinical history or symptomology (when Repressed Memory has both) and does not feature in the DSM. – A range of studies using various methodologies across cultures support a causal relationship between trauma and dissociation (alterations in memory and identity). One research team found, ‘strong empirical support for the hypothesis that trauma causes dissociation, and that dissociation remains related to trauma history when fantasy proneness is controlled. We find little support for the hypothesis that the dissociation-trauma relationship is due to fantasy proneness or confabulated memories of trauma.’ 88 – The APS basically ruled that unless the therapist can find a third-party witness to the abuse, they should not work with – or even acknowledge as substantially true – the client’s abuse memories. The APS should apply the same rule for every experience a client brings to therapy, otherwise that is bias. Courts consider an individual’s witness testimony a form of evidence, yet the APS does not. Perpetrators are adept at concealing their crimes and eliminating witnesses, a fact the APS ignores. – Genuine belief in a client’s testimony is essential for establishing rapport and eliciting client trust. Therapists can’t possibly meet the therapeutic needs of Extreme Abuse victims unless they believe and understand the abuse account. A client will trust sufficiently to disclose their abuse details, and therefore integrate, only once they perceive the therapist sincerely believes them. Empathy and belief can’t be feigned toward hypervigilant high IQ victims. – Victims will never process and heal from extreme childhood abuse unless therapy focusses on the actual abuse memories, including the thoughts and feelings experienced during the childhood trauma incident, instead of what the adult victim presently thinks and feels about their memories of Extreme Abuse.
LOFTUS LEGACY IN AUSTRALIA
Elizabeth Loftus was discredited, professionally disciplined, and successfully sued in the USA for her blatant lack of ethical conduct and unscientific methodology. Despite this, Loftus’ unproven opinion regarding memory: (a) was the basis for Royal Commissioner James Wood’s dismissal of multiple independent reports of Ritual Abuse; (b) provides the Australian blueprint for dismissing the nature and existence of extreme child abuse within mental health, education, and forensics; and (c) underpins all psychology teaching and educational texts in Australia. Most Australian psychology textbooks are American imports. Mine were. A 2014 study examined three undergraduate psychology textbooks and found, all three concluded that child abuse memories are likely false.89 All three textbooks referenced Loftus’ writings.
Owing to this unfounded and illogical embracement of Loftus’ opinion:
Australian universities and educational materials teach psychology students that most child abuse memories are false, and repressed trauma memories are particularly unreliable.
Regulatory bodies deter psychologists from acknowledging the validity of repressed child abuse memories and working with implicit trauma memories.
Australian psychology students receive no training in the Trauma Model approach.
Australian therapists receive zero training in recognising or treating ritual abuse and mind control.
NSW Victims of Crime counselling services forbade the use of scientifically validated, effective tools like EMDR for processing implicit abuse memories (until I publicly accused them of withholding treatment). A therapist can only use EMDR if they tape the sessions; yet this is not required for other, less effective treatment modalities.
University criminology lecturers do not teach future Australian law enforcement officials that child trafficking is run as a single, integrated global operation.
Bond University lecturers strongly endorsed the flawed ‘false memory syndrome’ writings of USA psychologist Elizabeth Loftus. The Royal Commission commended my submission against Loftus’ writings and my condemnation of her association with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF). The FMSF was founded by Peter Freyd and his wife (and stepsister) Pamela after their daughter, Professor Jennifer Freyd, accused Peter of child sexual abuse. Apart from founding the FMSF, Peter has publicly endorsed paedophilia as a responsible lifestyle choice and allowing siblings to marry. The effect of the FMSF has been to discredit child abuse witness testimony and the existence of well organised pedophile rings.
PAUL MULLEN: MK-ULTRA PSYCHIATRIST The Australian and UK definition of ‘Fixated Person’ and the associated Fixated Research Groups and Fixated Threat Assessment Centres are the brainchild of CIA/MI6 forensic psychiatrist Paul Mullen. Here are some of Mullen’s secret service career highlights:
Worked with MK-ULTRA Subproject 84 hypnosis doctors including Peter W. Sheehan.
Court-appointed expert in the MK-ULTRA Chelmsford Hospital medical negligence case (involving which Ewan Cameron’s trainee Harry Bailey).
First non-military defence expert to enter the Guantanamo Bay detention centre, site of Martin Seligman’s CIA torture program.
Heads the Fixated Person Research Groups linked to the FBI, MI6, and Tavistock (UK’s mind control hub).
Contracted by the British Royal Family.
Interviewed Melbourne Hoddle Street shooter, Julian Knight.
Assessed alleged Port Arthur shooter, Martin Bryant.
Publicly presented the Christchurch NZ massacre script and shooter profile two weeks before the event.
Supports false memory writings of CIA psychologist Elizabeth Loftus.
Port Arthur Paul Mullen was the court-appointed psychiatrist who assessed Martin Bryant, the young man forced to change his plea to guilty and so receive 35 life sentences for the Port Arthur massacre. After a 3.5-hour interview, Mullen claimed Martin Bryant possessed an IQ of 60. It is neurologically impossible for someone whose intelligence level sits at the bottom 2% of the population to kill 19 people in 20 seconds. That head shot rate is not achievable by the world’s most elite snipers, whose intelligence level must sit in the top 1% of the population because high visual-spatial IQ is essential for accurate shooting ability.
Christchurch Shooting Paul Mullen ‘coincidentally’ popped up at four mass shootings in Australia and New Zealand. He was working in Melbourne in 1987 where he interviewed the Hoddle Street shooter, Julian Knight. Then he moved to Aramoana in New Zealand in time for David Gray’s 1990 shooting massacre. Then he returned to Melbourne in time for the Tasmanian Government to request he interview Martin Bryant in 1996. And he just happened to be visiting New Zealand for the 2019 mass shooting in Christchurch. Two weeks prior to the Christchurch massacre, Mullens spoke at Melbourne’s Sofitel hotel where he released an exact script for what unfolded in NZ, and profiled the white, right-wing extremist type who poses the new terror threat, and which fit the alleged shooter.
False Memory Fan Paul Mullen’s research interests include: Litigious and Chronic Complainers, and the Long-Term Impact of Childhood Sexual Abuse – the ideal combination for silencing outspoken victims of CIA child trafficking. Paul Mullen was quoted in a 1994 False Memory Syndrome Foundation newsletter as saying:102
The precedence accorded child sexual abuse has also had negative consequences, socially and scientifically, particularly in distracting attention away from physical and emotional abuse and from the whole context of disadvantage and neglect in which the sexual abuse often occurs.
Not surprisingly, Paul Mullen is a child abuse denier and an advocate of Elizabeth Loftus’ discredited false memory opinion. Mullen claimed, ‘the basis of the recovered-memory theory was flawed … there were no specific symptoms that came from childhood abuse.’103 In his book Childhood Sexual Abuse: An Evidence-Based Perspective,104 Mullen denies the phenomenon of repressed trauma memories being stored in the right implicit brain and accessible via appropriate therapy:
On the other side of the debate have been equally powerful defences of the capacity of therapists to bring to consciousness repressed memories that on occasion, it is asserted, provide detailed and veridical narratives of actual abuse… However, contrary to these claims, the main problem following trauma is an inability to forget rather than a complete loss of the memory of the event… Psychogenic amnesia following trauma may occur, but usually the individuals are well-aware of the gap in their memory. There are claims that memories of CSA are laid down in the brain through a unique process that does not apply to other forms of trauma and that can be recovered via the sensorimotor system… This remains an unproven hypothesis… Current theories of memory emphasize that memories are not replicas of the events themselves but imperfect and subjectively modified records of how we have experienced those events…
That it is possible to influence the memories of others by suggestion is established (Loftus, 1993) . . . Both client and therapist may believe they are overcoming the forces of repression and revealing the true narrative of the abuse, but how much the expectations, assumptions, and theoretical commitments of both participants are producing a new construction remains in question.
When a repressed memory contains a detailed image of a location the victim never visited apart from during her child abuse, and when the victim physically visits that place as an adult and discovers everything in that abuse location is exactly as the victim recalled it during a flashback or therapy – that constitutes evidence of reliable repressed child abuse memories. I experienced this in 1993 when I visited Sutherland Hospital. There is no record of my ever having been admitted or treated at Sutherland Hospital. My parents never took me there during my Sydney childhood. Yet I knew the layout of an internal ER room at Sutherland Hospital. I visited the hospital at age 23 in search of the room I awoke in after suffocating in a grave at age eight years. A triage nurse kindly led me to a room out of public bounds which looked exactly as I remembered and drew it. The walls were clad in pale blue tiles, the door and furniture were positioned exactly like in my therapy drawing, and the original oxygen bottle sat at the head of the very stainless-steel table I was laid on. ‘This is where you would have come if you had suffocated,’ the nurse told me.
DIRTY DOCTORS Corydon Hammond said in his legendary Greenbaum Speech: When you start to find the same highly esoteric information in different states and different countries, from Florida to California, you start to get an idea that there’s something going on that is very large, very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and systematic-ness to what’s happening. So, I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not knowing what to think about it all, to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse is real, and that the people who say it isn’t are either naive like people who didn’t want to believe the Holocaust – or they’re dirty.
Paul Mullen, who denies the true nature of child abuse induced trauma, who embraces the pro-pedophile writings of discredited Elizabeth Loftus, who hangs around CIA MK-ULTRA torture and mind control facilities, who leaps the Tasman sea in time for every Australasian mass shooting, and who, despite being a ‘world renown expert’ excluded irrefutable evidence that it was neurologically impossible for a mentally disabled man with an IQ of 60 to have committed the crime (thereby condemning an innocent man to life in prison)
Mullen is the main driving force behind new Orwellian legislation and protocols which are being used to effectively target and silence vocal victims and witnesses to government organised child sex trafficking.
HYPNOSIS I used hypnosis long after I integrated my Core, and once I felt sufficiently stabilised. Hypnosis returned me to the state of consciousness I was in at the time of the abuse, thereby granting me unprecedented access to my hypnosis-related memories. I found it beneficial for processing deep, residual memories. My therapist combined hypnosis with EMDR, which accessed the most deeply buried memories.
If you could undergo hypnosis with a clean expert like Corydon Hammond, I’d say ‘go for it.’ Find Hammond’s astounding Greenbaum Speech on YouTube and consult his hypnosis handbook 501 to gain idea of the base hypnotherapy skill and understanding required to work with ritual abuse and mind control. Review Shapiro’s comparison of EMDR versus hypnotically induced abreaction. 502 Read Secret Don’t Tell: The Encyclopedia of Hypnotism (1998) by Carla Emery, for a comprehensive overview of the history of unethical hypnosis. If your therapist does not know or agree with this reading material, move on. If your therapist mimics what Wendy-Louise Walker practised – run.
Fiona’s References
73 E. Loftus & J. Palmer (1974). Reconstruction of Automobile Destruction. Journal of Verbal Learning and Verbal Behaviour, 13, 585–589. 74 E. Loftus & J. Pickrell. (1995) The formation of False Memories, Psychiatric Annals, 25, 720-725. 75 L.S. Crook & M. Dean (1999). ‘Lost in a shopping mall’ – A breach of professional ethics. Ethics & Behavior, 9:1, 39-50. 76 L.S. Crook & M. Dean (1999). Logical fallacies and ethical breaches. Ethics & Behavior, 9:1, 61-68. 77 James A. Coan (1993, August 18). Creating false memories. Senior paper, Psychology Honors Program, University of Washington, Seattle. 78 James A. Coan (1997). Lost in a Shopping Mall: An Experience with Controversial Research. Ethics & Behavior. 7. 271-84. 79 James A. Coan (1993, August 18). Creating false memories. Senior paper, Psychology Honors Program, University of Washington, Seattle, p16. 80 James Coan (1997). Lost in a Shopping Mall: An Experience with Controversial Research. Ethics & Behavior. 7. 271-84. 81L.S. Crook & M. Dean (1999). Logical fallacies and ethical breaches. Ethics & Behavior, 9:1, 61-68. 82 E. Loftus & J. Pickrell. (1995) The formation of False Memories, Psychiatric Annals, 25, 720-725. 83 M. Garry, C. Manning, & E. Loftus (1996). Imagination Inflation: Imagining a Childhood Event Inflates Confidence that it Occurred. Psychonomic Bulletin & Review, 3:2, 208-214. 84 FMS Foundation Newsletter (1994). 1 November, 3:10. 85 K.M. McConkey & P.W. Sheehan (1995). Hypnosis, Memory, and Behaviour in the Forensic Setting. Guildford. 86 K.M. McConkey & P.W. Sheehan (1998). Recovered memory, hypnosis & professional issues. In B.J. Evans & G.D. Burrows (eds) Hypnosis in Australia, 263-282. Australian Society of Hypnosis. 87 M.T. Orne & K.M. McConkey (1981) Toward convergent inquiry into self-hypnosis, International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis, 29:3, 313-323. 501 Hammond, D.C. (1990) Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestions and Metaphors. American Society of Clinical Hypnosis. 502 Read Secret Don’t Tell: The Encyclopedia of Hypnotism (1998) by Carla Emery
The Corydon Hammond that Fiona mentions gave the Greenbaum Speech, a classic speech on Ritual Abuse, which you can read about here Greenbaum Speech by DC Hammond[3]
The perverted psychopathic individuals who organise this mind control and their minions, of course take their disinformation to another level. A therapists under their control has actually told a patient that they have been subjected to child abuse even when they have not been. This is what Brett Bluth has reported about David Hamblin. The therapist then went on to abuse the patient. UT7 – David Hamblin Utah County Mormon Ritual Abuse [UT96] The cabal can then say that the memories are false and iatrogenic.
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The video is interesting and tragic as many videos of survivors of ritual abuse are, but this video is particularly valuable as it shows several things of interest not perhaps normally found in videos about survivors.
Several changes of alter live on video which is relatively rare
Pictures of drawings of abuse from Helen’s diaries
The person interviewing and making the programme was a friend of Helen’s from school and can corroborate some stories eg Cosy Corner when Ruth Selwyn presumably thought she was talking with Helen and was actually meeting with an alter William, who told Ruth of the Cosy Corner story when they remet. This shows the alters were in place at a young age.
Interview with a teacher of Helen’s which can corroborate some of Helen’s early life/personality.
Ruth her friend learns about dissociation and alters as the video progresses
I suspect Helen has many more than 7 personalities.
Odysee FAC The Woman With 7 Personalities – A Victim of Ritual Abuse[5]
In The Woman with 7 Personalities, filmmaker Ruth Selwyn attempts to explain and define the seven alter egos of her childhood friend, Helen. Helen suffers from Dissociative Identity Disorder, which is better known as Multiple Personality Disorder. Her personalities range from young boys to young girls. And she never remembers the previous personality after she transitions into the next.
Several of the egos that overtake her existence have dangerous addictions to drugs and alcohol. While none of the addictions turn out to be fatal, Ruth discovers that Helen uses these destructive personalities to escape from a childhood filled with abuse. At one point, Helen shocks her friend by explaining that the characters she allows to take over her personality each have a unique role to help her deal with the traumatic pain that she had suffered at the hands of others as a child.
Respect to Ruth for writing and directing this, and I would love her to contact me on cathyfox@zoho.com
Transcript is after the links.
Gallery of some stills from the video of Helen, her alters and her drawings of abuse.
Gallery 2 of some stills from the video of Helen, her alters and her drawings of abuse.
In The Woman with 7 Personalities, filmmaker Ruth Selwyn attempts to explain and define the seven alter egos of her childhood friend, Helen. Helen suffers from Dissociative Identity Disorder, which is better known as Multiple Personality Disorder. Her personalities range from young boys to young girls. And she never remembers the previous personality after she transitions into the next.
Several of the egos that overtake her existence have dangerous addictions to drugs and alcohol. While none of the addictions turn out to be fatal, Ruth discovers that Helen uses these destructive personalities to escape from a childhood filled with abuse. At one point, Helen shocks her friend by explaining that the characters she allows to take over her personality each have a unique role to help her deal with the traumatic pain that she had suffered at the hands of others as a child.
[6] You tube Tacito Monroe The Woman With 7 Personalities – A Victim of Ritual Abusehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4YkqZ9Qi-Y 48 mins This documentary was made by Ruth Selwyn about her friend Helen. Helen was a victim of Ritual Abuse and this documentary illustrates the reality and tragedy of Trauma Based Mind Control. Ruth even visits the UK’s branch of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, and comes to the realisation herself that they have their own agenda. Ruth appears at first to be unaware of the dark and nefarious world that underlies Trauma Based Mind Control, and it is interesting that this documentary is freely available on youtube and doesn’t seemed to have been aired on national TV.
Odysee FAC The Woman With 7 Personalities – A Victim of Ritual Abuse[5]
0:04 baby come back by
0:11 baby come back
0:17 it’s easy big guy I’m growing as it was here when I
0:39 arrived I’m another pop it all right
0:53 haha
1:04 this is Helen she has an extremely rare condition called dissociative identity
1:10 disorder commonly known as multiple personality disorder when she is Helen
1:16 she appears like any other 35 year old woman but she has several alter
1:23 personalities that she can suddenly switch to at any moment
1:33 Milind and I very high up the king at London you know what that is
1:39 over there Big Ben yeah and houses your palms that’s right
1:50 shocked and while the other personalities are out helen has no idea
1:56 what they get up to
2:04 helen hasn’t always been like this I’ve known her since we were eight she was
2:10 one of my best friends for many years but we lost touch after leaving school 12 years later I bumped into her on a
2:17 train and I was shocked when she told me she had this strange disorder
2:24 this is me and Helen at my tenth birthday party she used to stay over at
2:30 my house and we’d have midnight feasts after my parents had gone to bed she was
2:36 popular intelligent and funny I thought she had everything going for her but
2:42 shortly after she graduated Helen developed her multiple personalities seeing her again after so
2:49 many years I couldn’t believe how much she changed we decided to make this film
2:55 to try to uncover the mysteries of Helens disorder I wanted to find out
3:01 what the hell had happened to my old school friend
3:09 this is a blast from the past
3:21 John I started hanging out with Helen her house looks like one big playroom and
3:27 hearing the banana splits made me feel like I was in a time warp
3:40 John I
3:48 the switching did take a bit of getting used to Adam was the first of helens
3:54 personalities that I met the first time he came out was a bit unnerving but I soon got used to this cute little boy
4:03 I knew that there were other personalities and I never knew what all who to expect when I went round to see
4:09 her I can hear a little voice in my head hey mr. William me till with me you and
4:27 I William d1 yeah I remember you
4:38 frenching down feet yes I do you
4:45 remember cosy corner that’s right
4:51 that’s right I remember Kathy Kohner as well can she gone now this was the first
4:58 time I met William I was amazed that he reminded me so much of Helen as an
5:04 eight-year-old cosy corner was at the end of the playground where we would sneak off to kiss our boyfriends I’d
5:10 forgotten all about it I used to do it we stir happy oh that
5:20 the original mr. happy yes mr. Payne and I stayed at your house and mr. Happy’s I
5:29 fell off a new daddy puts it back on for
5:35 me yeah William took me back 30 years to when
5:41 Helen and I used to talk in baby voices with that same doll she would say mr. happy sad and I would say why is mr.
5:48 happy sad I wondered if the reason why mr. happy was sad when we were children could hold a clue to why Helen is like
5:55 this today I know it mr. happy but
6:05 sometimes even mr. happy get sad yes
6:11 wanted you to cheer him up inside yet
6:18 mr. tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle tickle when I was
6:25 14 I saw a child psychiatrist and I was always listening to the hill for faces
6:32 it says I’ve got for this for that for
6:37 the other and I don’t know which one’s me so you got your driving license Adam
6:47 it gets getting stuck yeah I just really
6:52 identified through this piece of music and it’s almost with hindsight I had
6:58 insight into the fact that I was multiple did you see that yeah I knew
7:06 something was wrong but I couldn’t pinpoint it and I’ve got more than four
7:15 phases
7:23 there’s William who’s six and William loves the mr. men
7:31 there’s Adam he’s ten who gets upset sometimes because he can’t play outside
7:36 with the other boys and girls and there’s Alex he’s five and Alex you to
7:41 everybody and leave it it’s quite
7:47 wearing after a while it gets on your nerves then there’s Brenda he’s not sure where
7:55 she’s 13 or 14 she doesn’t mince her words she and
8:02 another personality of mine Carl who’s 16 of both harm me in the past and Jamie
8:13 and Elizabeth but they don’t appear as
8:19 often so seven I’ve got seven it’s I’ve
8:25 got seven and I don’t know which one it’s me they’re all me as I’m so screwed
8:38 up god
8:44 after my first few weeks with Helen I had only met Adam and William I still
8:50 hadn’t met Alex Karl or Brenda I wanted to know if these more sinister sounding
8:55 personalities could help me unlock some of the dark secrets of Helens past
9:14 you get away from me
9:24 getting to know my old school friend again with her multiple personalities I saw had a strange disorder affected her
9:31 day-to-day life I wanted to know what it
9:42 felt like to switch personalities it
10:00 bizarre seeing and switching people have told me
10:07 that my facial expression changes and I know my voice changes because it I can
10:14 hear my like when they talk to me their voice is kind of childlike but I didn’t
10:22 realize that it comes out childlike as well and this is really bizarre whilst I
10:36 know when I switch well afterwards I don’t know what I’ve been doing whereas
10:41 you know this kind of filled in the gaps
10:48 you know I could be walking along the street and be anybody and it’s kind of
10:55 like makes me feel a bit vulnerable
11:03 these periods of amnesia are particularly alarming because Helen is very isolated she has little contact
11:11 with her family and she only has one good friend derec socially I don’t feel
11:16 very confident and so consequently then I live quite an isolated life but I’ve
11:24 lived alone since I was 17 anyway so it’s no big deal really I tend to relate
11:32 better to people who are older than myself Ethel swallowed her brother by Helen I
11:38 met Derek four years ago he’s a highly intelligent Blake and I found that we
11:45 struck a chord in the sense that we could have some intelligent conversation
11:56 I just got to know him better and seen
12:01 this very vulnerable person you are I care about a great deal as a friend I
12:07 had in mind at Christmas because otherwise he would have spent two alone I would spend it alone and I had a good
12:17 time
12:29 okay lovie Adam crazy
12:43 for over 30 years oh that one Oh mrs. Arzu Helen
12:52 that story Adam how soon
12:59 Adam can be quite assertive and lively at times but on other days I saw a quite different subdued little boy I soon
13:07 learned how to lift his spirits and I knew exactly where to take him I would’ve liked to have gone for bike
13:13 ride but my tires flat simple religious
13:18 wish that I had some friends I could play with but they don’t see me as Adam
13:26 they see me as heaven alone together
13:34 that’s for babies oh my going on the side I know but just
13:47 go away and doesn’t mean that I can’t be
13:55 friends with people sometimes I come out
14:02 protect Emma from the bad days other
14:08 times I come out to play
14:26 I’m intoxicated there with alcohol and yet I don’t drink so one of the altars
14:35 must have been drinking and her annoys
14:43 me worrying to say that because could
14:53 walk out in front of her bus I wasn’t surprised to learn that Helen is now a
14:58 recovering alcoholic I remember going into town after school to drink booze that hadn’t had brought because she
15:04 didn’t want to go straight home for me it was a bit of harmless fun but Helen
15:09 was becoming more and more withdrawn we decided to visit our old form tutor mr.
15:14 Faulkner to see if he remembered anything significant about Helen
15:23 you’ve hardly changed you have hardly changed slipper to say
15:30 it how are you people help you I would
15:36 have known a recognizer straightaway Bridget I really want ya know feels
15:42 really strange than it does yeah does yeah I’ve been up your prison beam up been back here since you do it no no I
15:51 someone else is gonna come out in a minute
15:56 then as really explained to you about yeah yeah mr. Faulkner I remember you
16:22 from school will you miss gone now hmm this room
16:31 wasn’t here when you were here at school it this used to be a cloakroom exactly
16:38 there’s an open space all these walls you can see weren’t here they were elsewhere it looks a bit
16:44 different there it doesn’t mean that’s right no I didn’t have a beard when you would have no man much – that’s right see I can see a bunch of the
16:50 Worcestershire about in tablets remember what we used to call him – thank you all
16:58 I learn all these things afterwards you know never the time hmm cashy mm-hmm I think I dunno I think I
17:07 remember that yes dear
17:16 as I’m just came in to say hi all right sorry oh don’t have to apologize
17:23 with explode that let’s explained everything to me let’s have a look
17:30 around Helen was lovely she’s a really pretty girl really vicious you know a charming
17:36 lass but at times you you you couldn’t
17:42 you didn’t know where you were you know like like she wasn’t predictable there
17:49 were times when she’d be lovely and bouncing and labelling all the times when the shutters would come up and you
17:54 couldn’t get through I knew there were troubles for Helen because of discussions that have gone on in the staff room but my understanding was that
18:02 this was being dealt with by someone else within the school and it was going to work out okay for Helen I also
18:08 thought things would work out for Helen but her condition means she’s unable to hold down a full-time job she lives in a
18:14 council flat and survives on benefits conventional medicine doesn’t offer any solutions there are no drugs to cure di
18:21 D only to control the symptoms these are Prozac which is an
18:28 antidepressant and I’m on the highest dose which is 60 milligram IV been
18:33 taking those for 14 years they help keep my mood on an even keel and they take
18:41 diazepam which is valium the valium just calm me down and keep me chilled out
18:50 these are olanzapine they’re an anti-psychotic then these the last ones
18:57 are peak Lane which is a sleeping tablet a lot of the tablets give me heartburn
19:02 so I’ve got loads of bottles of gaviscon these are just lem sips and my girl even
19:12 light bulb it was upsetting to see Helen
19:18 taking so many pills I wanted to know what was going on inside her head
19:23 she gave me her Diaries from when her alters first appeared I thought that they might hold the key to discovering
19:28 how her multiple personalities had been formed I saw some disturbing pictures and noticed that each personality had
19:35 different handwriting it was chilling to see some of the dialog between the different alters I read page after page
19:42 describing the pain Helen was suffering one entry particularly caught my
19:47 attention the sun is shining outside and I’m feeling really low part of me feels
19:53 like overdosing but I know that the next one might kill me and I don’t want that I just want to block it all out Karl
20:02 I’ve overdosed about 100 times it was not me as Helen it was Brenda Carla was
20:11 doing it and it wasn’t ever to kill myself it was to block out pain Helen
20:19 and her alters wrote about the pain that they were going through but it still wasn’t clear to me exactly what the root
20:24 of this pain was I cut my arm because that was shouting and screaming and I
20:29 was remembering bad things and needed to get it out I’m sorry if I hurt you it’s
20:35 not my fault because I’ve got lots of bad things in my head Brenda Karl and Brenda started cutting
20:45 myself and there’s some nice cars here but some old ones as well I cut an
20:53 artery once and that scared the living daylights out of me it’s been virtually
21:02 continual cutting myself for the last 10
21:10 years it was distressing to see the scars on
21:16 her arms it triggered a memory I had of Helen making two small cuts on each wrist when we were about 15 I kept
21:24 asking her what was wrong but she wouldn’t say when I picked her up from
21:30 hospital after one of her alters had cut her arms it saddened me she seemed to
21:35 have no control over the more troubled personalities like Carl Brenda and Alex who all seemed to be avoiding me and the
21:44 cutting is that who that was Carl as well right yeah I think so I don’t know I don’t know for definite
21:50 nobody’s confessed hi Helen hi hi how
22:12 are you I’m good what’s going on I can
22:22 hear he nice isn’t it
22:27 not like Phil the bird yeah that’s it
22:33 you feel me I am yeah I don’t as Helen go out and buy razor
22:42 blades to cut my arm to it it’s another part of me and they must hide them
22:48 somewhere but it’s very rare that I am
22:54 found
23:01 there must be one of the others so
23:08 I can say hand on heart that I haven’t drunk knowingly for 14 months who do you
23:18 think that was probably Brenda or maybe
23:23 Carl I couldn’t understand why Helen’s alter
23:28 personalities abused alcohol or harmed her so much I wanted to know what could have happened in Helens life to have
23:35 caused this much pain but what I found out next was almost too horrific to contemplate
23:56 it was hard for me to see how Helen Zille two personalities hurt her
24:03 I needed to know what could have caused my friend so much pain well I was
24:13 severely abused as a child and I cope
24:23 with that by blocking out so that’s why you never knew anything about it and I
24:30 never knew anything about it because what I did was create different personas
24:37 when I was being abused and so I could wake up as Helen the next morning and
24:43 not remember what had happened to me and I carried on doing that and as soon as
24:51 the abuse continued and so that’s where
24:56 the multiple personalities come in major
25:05 yeah yeah it was awful to think what
25:11 Helen might have been going through when we were so young I had to know if this
25:17 could be the reason that Helen had the disorder so I showed some of my footage to a respected psychiatrist
25:24 the main problem about the social team identity disorder is regarding our
25:29 knowledge about it is almost the whole thing we don’t know very much about it as all but the ideas that you know I’ve
25:38 read about and that certainly would seem to me to fit that a person who it has to
25:44 suffer intolerable distress will have to find a way of dealing with that I find a
25:49 defense mechanism of somehow so can be that you always split your mind maybe it
25:55 initially does into two parts the bit that faces the world and the bit that lives inside you that you feel safe that
26:03 makes you feel safe I was still struggling to understand why Helen’s
26:08 personalities hurt her if they are supposed to be created to help her when I finally met the elusive Karl
26:15 how old are you 16 another cool doomed
26:24 I would appreciate knowing who cut my
26:30 arms yesterday and why and the same goes with regard to taking of any pills all
26:36 of this upsets me a great deal why do you do it why Helen why do you do
26:43 because it’s easier to feel physical pain than it is emotional pain I think
26:54 she understands but she doesn’t like the fact their arms have been cut to shreds
26:59 dear Helen I’m sorry it was me but it was either that or taking the tablets I
27:06 cut because I hurt inside and I felt desperate I’m scared if I say what
27:12 happened people will think I’m evil in like what we called the team one of my
27:20 roles is to have some escapism and I’ve
27:29 learned not to do it dangerously now I used to be pills and he used to be
27:36 alcohol used to be drugs and stuff you know and sorry I can hear with him
27:48 talking in my head he’s just saying
27:55 hello mr. Harvey says hello Helen told me she
28:04 had created her multiple personalities whilst enduring severe abuse as a child but it bothered me that she herself had
28:10 no memories of what might have happened or who might have been responsible to my
28:15 horror I discovered that many people with Helens disorder believed that they suffered ritual abuse at the hands of a satanic cult I couldn’t believe that
28:24 Satanist abuse actually goes on in our society Helen told me she knew of a psychiatrist who has been working with
28:31 di D sufferers with these kinds of memories for 13 years so I thought I should go and meet her I can understand
28:39 people being skeptical but once you’ve come across it once you’ve seen somebody as different alters reliving the
28:47 memories and experiencing the pain all over again there’s no mistaking it a lot
28:53 of child abuse is either sexual or physical or emotional and psychological
29:00 well Satanist abuse is all is torture a lot of sexual abuse it’s not just a
29:07 one-off trauma it’s um relentless day to day prolonged trauma if it’s
29:13 generational it starts at a very early age often in babyhood and so it would
29:19 fit all the criteria for causing the ID I still couldn’t believe that such
29:26 atrocities could have happened to Helen in our middle-class suburban town I discovered that there have never been
29:32 any proven cases of satanic abuse in Britain but Joan Coleman is convinced that the cults exist and so is Helen
29:41 I wondered how Helen had felt when she first sent something awful might have happened to her I hurt a lot inside I had not fully
29:52 fledged memories but I was having flashbacks of something that was not very pleasant it was almost like cine
30:01 film in my mind and it would just flash by each caption and I couldn’t piece
30:07 anything together at first I was
30:14 actually diagnosed schizophrenic I was losing chunks of time and gradually more
30:23 till people came out people I just
30:33 thought I was going crazy basically initially Alex came out and was shooting
30:40 everybody and William came out and I
30:47 remember Brenda and Kings my head and I thought I hate the name Brenda why there
30:53 what’s the name Brenda guy in the head form and she was a bit feisty and hello
31:07 hey hi hi are you Brenda yeah hi Brenda
31:12 hi we meet at last yeah he diesel filming yeah what have
31:25 you heard about me is it all good I had all good I had your very feisty very
31:30 feisty yeah what’s feisty me the cute
31:36 giggly Brenda wasn’t quite what I expected she reminded me of Helen as a young teenager I wanted to know what
31:43 memories she had about what might have happened to hell him when we were still at school I remember some really crappy
31:49 things one of my abusers got me pregnant
31:54 and Helen was 16 at the time and I sorry
32:12 it’s hard to talk about and I
32:22 remember having to having the fetus of
32:28 what the embryo aborted making being made to eat it
32:46 I feel best about I’m remembering some
32:53 horrible things and I hurt because I feel robbed of everything I feel bad and dirty my innocence and
33:01 trust have been stolen from me as well as my body which I hate anyway and which
33:07 feels contaminated all I ever wanted to be was a normal girl not one who lives
33:12 in a prison and always has to be on guard Brenda
33:24 after hearing Brenda’s convincing account of what she claimed to have been through I felt I might be starting to
33:29 understand why Helens mind had created the other personalities but then I came across the British false memory society
33:36 and I discovered that there are many eminent psychologists who have a totally conflicting theory I came to the
33:42 inescapable conclusion that multiple personality disorder is an E actor genic
33:48 phenomenon that is to say it is a creature of the consulting-room
33:53 something which patient and therapists both with all sincerity but in a
34:01 completely self-perceived way something which these two individuals manufacture
34:07 it’s a theatrical artifact it is no more than an elaborate role play I could say
34:16 excuse me I could show you that the new
34:22 Lego that I’ve got that I’m going to start building soon okay cook me have a
34:28 look at it later yes there’s no way that
34:40 I could consistently speak in a childlike mode I don’t see how you can
34:48 do it I mean would you be able to I know
34:54 this research that says that di D patients are very suggestible none of my
35:02 therapists have ever planted any memory it’s been a process whereby things have
35:10 come out and of course turmoil but there
35:15 isn’t there’s no way anyone’s planted anything in my head not as far as I’m
35:20 concerned anyway if they have I’m oblivious to it when something awful
35:27 happens we do not forget we remember trauma there’s no evidence
35:33 at all in the scientific literature for the Freudian notion of repression we do
35:39 not forget unpleasant things and bury them in some unconscious
35:46 I didn’t know what to think it’s true that Helen had a lot of controversial therapy but to Brenda the memories had
35:52 seemed so real it bothered me that the false memory society was a campaign group with its own agenda it was all
36:00 getting very confusing for me it was even more confusing for Helen I’m trying
36:06 really hard to understand what’s going on at the moment I’m fast reaching the point where by oh no I’m going to have
36:12 to talk about some things and hear things that they’re going to be unpleasant but I’m scared inside and
36:19 can’t seem to take the courage in both hands Helen what are you scared of
36:24 scared of facing the truth or what
36:29 I’m fed up I’ve got bad things in my head I keep being super Adam because I
36:35 want to be strong super Adam super Adam go away go away nobody can hurt me now
36:46 these are my Diaries ya know Helen was just reading it out I
36:51 mean I know that the abuse was severe
37:00 and my therapist confirm that for me it
37:07 in the end I had to say to my therapist you know like am I crazy or it these you
37:19 know real real memories she said only you can tell me where they were their
37:24 memories but are you not going crazy and so I deduce from that then then the
37:32 memories were real I still had so many questions was she abused and if so by
37:39 whom could she really have been the victim of a satanic cult or could the memories and the alter personalities
37:45 have been created in therapy maybe there’s a third possibility maybe she
37:52 was abused but not in a satanic cult but then where are those memories
37:57 after spending so much time with Helen I realized that none of this really matters this is Helens reality this is how she
38:04 leads her life and it is not always easy I feel sick why I don’t know that you’re
38:15 going to be sick yes really at times there can be some very amusing
38:22 things that happen but at other times you know like for example when I’m in
38:29 pain and I hear a child inside me cry the experience is so real of having a
38:37 child crying in my head and knowing that the child is invisible but it’s actually
38:45 part of me and not being able to console that child
38:51 that’s difficult and that makes it a difficult condition to live with
39:23 living with her multiple personalities is not easy for Helen so I decided to treat her to a special birthday outing
39:29 to London William Brenda and Karl didn’t
39:38 appear that day and I wondered if I would ever get to meet Alex I ended up spending most of the day with
39:45 Adam so I had no choice but to ditch my plans for the Natural History Museum and go somewhere a lot more interesting
39:51 instead how did that say it there
40:08 that’s brilliant isn’t it 2299 I might get that oh I think I’ll
40:20 get Adam cost me a fortune and let go
40:26 but I feel very close to Adam it’s like Adam allows me to have the childhood
40:34 that I don’t remember having missing doesn’t it say I’m there I’m gonna label
40:41 that’s over $99.99 chief yeah certainly
40:57 is hello hello
41:07 all right you having a nice birthday Helen yeah
41:13 what were we doing was fine well we’ve had a McDonald’s platform
41:21 how thoughtful helen appeared briefly so i grabbed the opportunity to wish her a
41:27 happy birthday i’d planned a day full of surprises for her and i even got a little surprise myself
41:34 hoo-ee hello Alex we’re in a taxi in
41:41 London going to another surprise to supply
41:49 coming a surprise I
42:20 happy birthday Alex sing happy birthday
42:26 to
42:35 there was never a dull moment hanging out with Helen but I did wonder if she’d ever get better if she could go back to
42:42 being one person with one personality
42:52 hailing for somebody with dissociative identity disorder means more than just
42:59 curing the symptoms or somehow reintegrating all the different
43:04 personalities into one that would seem to be the obvious goal of treatment but I think we need to think in terms of a
43:13 person being able to live with whatever they’re suffering from and recognizing
43:19 that it’s actually a way that nature has provided you with getting five
43:42 so tricky issue earlier the issue of integration but I used to be really
43:50 really auntie integration whereas now I don’t mind certain personalities being
43:58 integrated than some of them are but
44:07 William alderman Alex I’d like to keep hold of really especially Adam because
44:16 Adams seen me through some tough times and I’d miss his little voice in my head
44:26 I’d miss all of their voices in my head
44:35 it’s kind of like bizarre because at the beginning I was having all these voices in my head and I think what the hell’s
44:42 going on you know I was going mad basically it’s the back way it’s got the
44:47 culture and that it would be easier to be mad than to have this condition
44:53 called multiple personality disorder and how the hell can you have multiple
44:59 personalities in the same body but then
45:08 sort of I’ve kind of moved on accepted that accepted the diagnosis and
45:16 gradually got to know my inner self thanks
45:27 you people like Adam and women Alex
45:39 they’re like the childlike parts of me and
45:49 I know I just I don’t I don’t want full
45:54 integration
46:07 I guess it will never find out what really happened to Helen I just wished
46:12 that her personalities would stop harming her and that her scars will heal both inside and out
46:23 I’m glad our paths crossed again Helen is just as lovely as I remember and I even gained a few more little friends
46:30 along the way I don’t I don’t I don’t
46:38 Adam Adam Adam I don’t I don’t really
46:45 like come out got your Adam is it yeah
46:52 what I don’t say that like survived
47:00 hostage in I don’t think so vendor quite nice for the green peppers in it very
47:06 peanutty isn’t it yeah well that’s good they all say disassociation and it’s not
47:15 bloody disassociation it’s dissociation
47:22 you feel me just playing with my toys
47:31 tonight
47:45 you
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You tube Dr. Joan Coleman : Abus Rituels Sataniques et Trouble Dissociatif de l’Identité [1] French substitles
This article from EIR written in 1978 is useful to show that cults were set up in America by British Intelligence.
It also says that although MK Ultra was nominally a US CIA Dulles black operation it was in reality run into the US by British Intelligence SIS ie MI6 under cover of CIA and Rand Corporation.
Aldous Huxley, Albert Hoffman and Humphrey Osmond were Brits and key American was Gregory Bateson, husband of the late Dame Margaret Mead of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem.
The intention was to create cults among the general population through the use of drugs and Dionysian rituals.
Synanon is also mentioned which was a cult set up in 1958 and run by Charles Dederich. This was the forerunner of the troubled teen industry, of which Paris Hilton is a survivor and I wrote about here Paris Hilton Breaking Code Silence[4]
First is the Cultism’s Roots in MK Ultra pdf, then the screenshots then the text so search engines can pick it up.
SPECIAL REPORT EXECUTIVE INTELLIGENCE REVIEW December 5 – 11. 1978
The immediate source for the Port Kaituma mass murder-suicide can be partially traced to a recent closed-door meeting of the Aspen Institute for Human istic Studies in West Berlin, at which Rand Corpora tion terrorist controller Brian Jenkins gave a five hour presentation on coming terrorist scenarios. The Jenkins scenario, which emphasized the time-bomb quality of cults as sources of terrorism, was given just prior to the bloodbath carried out by Rev. Jimmy Jones’s Peoples Temple in Guyana. The Rand connection, along with the appearance of Dr. Joel Fort, lawyer Mark Lane, and the Glide Memorial Church of Berkeley, California in the dossier on Rev. Jimmy Jones confirms, in shorthand, that Jones’s death cult is the offspring of British intelligence’s 50-year campaign in the United States to create cult formations among the general population through the use of drugs and Dionysian rituals. In official channels, the British Secret Intelligence Services’ experiment was run under former CIA Dir ector Allen Dulles, and conduited through the Central Intelligence Agency, under the codename MK-Ultra. The project, first named Operation Bluebird in 1949, then Operation Artichoke, and renamed MK-Ultra in 1953 under direct orders from Dulles, studied the application of LSD, psylocibin (hallucinogenic mushrooms), peyote, and other hallucinogens in mind-control and brainwashing techniques. The early phases involved the administration of hallucinogens to volunteers in university, hospital, and mental in stitution settings. By 1963, it was openly stated in a CIA document that “the final phase of testing MK Ultra materials involves their application to unwitting subjects in normal life settings,” a phase which began on the U.S. West Coast in 1955, and which by the late 1960s had created thousands of counterculture followers of the cult of LSD and other hallucinogens, aided by the importation and mass marketing of British ritualistic rock music. Ultra Although MK-Ultra was a CIA black operation nominally under the control of Dulles, it was in reality a British intelligence operation run into the United States under the cover of the CIA and the Rand Corporation. Furthermore. the presence of the Office of Naval Intelligence and Air Force Intelligence in the original -Operation Artichoke and MK-Ultra task force. and the subsequent importance of trained operatives of ONI and Air Force Intelligence in the creation of U.S.-based terrorist cults. points to heavy contamination of these agencies in particular by British SIS.
The British Priesthood The three British intelligence agents heading up MK Ultra as research directors from 1952 on were Aldous Huxley, Albert Hoffman of the Warburg-owned San doz drug firm (where Hoffman first synthesized LSD in 1943), and Humphrey Osmond, a close Huxley family friend and physician based at the University of London Hospital where he studied schizophrenia. The key American researcher complicit with Huxley, Hoffman, and Osmond was Gregory Bateson, husband of the late Dame Margaret Mead of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem. Bateson headed a Veterans Hospital in Palo Alto. California where he aided in criminal experiments administering LSD to patients in the hospital. Bateson is currently a special advisor to California’s Governor Jerry Brown – the politician with whom Reverend Jimmy Jones maintained a close relationship for many years. Huxley was not merely the ranking British intelli gence officer in the MK-Ultra infiltration project, but he was literally a high priest of the drug cult that grew out of the California experiments. Aldous Huxley, along with his brother Julian. was tutored at Oxford University. England in the 1920s by futurist H.G. Wells, head of British foreign intelligence during World War I. Wells’s writings and those of his proteges the Huxleys and George Orwell, such as The Time Machine, Brave New World, 1984 and Animal Farm, spelled out in fictional form the mind-control that MK Ultra was later to implement. In 1929, under the influence of occultist Aleister Crowley. Aldous Huxley was initiated into the Isis Urania Temple of Hermetic Students of the Golden Dawn. a secret cult tracing back to the Scottish Rites of the Freemasons and run directly out of the British Colonial Office. At the same time. Crowley introduced Huxley to hallucinogenic drugs. From 1937 to 1945. Huxley lived in California where he worked as a Hollywood scriptwriter along with Christopher Isherwood and other British operatives. Isherwood had been a British intelligence agent sta tioned in Weimar Berlin through the 1920s, special izing in cultural subversion projects. During this period, Huxley and Isherwood organized cults around the Isis Temple of the Golden Dawn and the trans lation of Eastern mystical documents. Preliminary investigations suggest that one of the centers of Isis cult activity founded by the Huxley team in 1937-1945 was Ukia.Cal. – later the West Coast center of Jones’ Peoples Temple. Huxley’s critical training occurred in Britain from 1945 to 1952 when.in tandem with the British Psycholo gical Warfare Division (then centered at the London Tavistock Institute). He organized a study group at the London National Hospital with Osmond on inducing schizophrenic states through the taking of mescaline. Subsequently. Osmond was hired by Allen Dulles to play a leading role in the MK-Ultra project. In 1953. in the U. S. , Osmond gave Huxley a supply of mescaline for his personal consumption. The next year. as the result of his psychedelic experience. Huxley wrote The Doors of Perception. the first public manifesto of the drug cult. advocating “expanded consciousness through hallucinogens. “
U.S. drug networks in place By 1954. MK-Ultra was fully operational. Dr. Timothy Leary was already conducting LSD experi ments at Harvard University. Hoffman had been brought to the United States for continued MK-Ultra work. And Huxley returned to California where he re cruited his 1937-45 associates Bateson and Alan Watts. who later became a propagandist for study of Eastern religions. Osmond. meanwhile. was stationed at the New Jersey Neuro-Psychiatric Institute in Princeton. N. J ..conducting experiments on the effects of LSD in schizophrenia. In 1960. as MK-Ultra entered its “final phases. “ Huxley was appointed Visiting Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Boston. There he created a circle paralleling his West Coast LSD team. including Leary and associate Richard Alpert. who later became “guru ” Baba Ram Das. This circle created a following of thousands of LSD veterans who were then deployed to proselytize for drugs. One direct result of the Huxley Harvard operation was the International Federation for Internal Freedom Psychedelic Training Center in Zihuatenejo. Mexico. set up and headed by Leary in 1963. Zi huatenejo. an isolated Mexican resort town. was the site for a two-year project involving 500 people – chosen. according to Leary. out of over 5.000 appli cants. The objective of Zihuatenejo was to train psy chologists and other professionals. religious leaders. teachers. etc. in the values of psychedelic drug use. The center administered LSD to residents several times a week.conducting group sessions based on the Boston work of Leary and Alpert. the writings of Huxley. and particularly Leary’s translation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. The Tibetan sacred book was to be read by participants before taking the LSD. then read aloud by another person as the subject sank into a schizophrenic state. Indeed. the death experience attitude was a central consideration of the center’s profiling. After an LSD experience. one group showed that: “Some now felt convinced that there is no death. that life is really con tinuous despite physical change. Death to them now seems simply continuation toward the mystical goal of oneness with God. . . . Associated with lessened anxiety. greater acceptance of death . . . ” (Richard Blum and associates Utopiates. London: Tavistock Publications. 1965). The names of the participants in the Zihuatenejo project have never been made public although they in cluded clinical psychologists.ministers. teachers. and businessmen. In 1963, during the second year of its operation. the center was closed by Mexican author ities. It is known that the Mexican project was one feature of the “private.” i.e .. nongovernmental. side of MK Ultra. The above-cited 1965 Tavistock Institute report also featured reports by Timothy Leary. Richard Alpert. and San Francisco’s Dr. Joel Fort. who has already been identified as a principal figure in the creation of Jones’s Peoples Temple. Simultaneously. the Rand Corporation, home of present-day terrorist specialist Brian Jenkins. was conducting a “medically oriented ” experiment in LSD. According to a 1962 Rand Abstract. W.H. McGlothlin conducted a preparatory study on the “Longlasting Effects of LSD on Certain Attitudes in Normals: An Experimental ProposaL” The following year, McGlothlin conducted a year-long experiment with 30 human guinea pigs. called “Short-Term Effects of LSD on Anxiety. Attitudes and Per formance. ” The study incredibly concluded that LSD improved emotional attitudes and helped resolve anxiety!
Also in California, the guinea pigs at Bateson’s Palo Alto Veterans Hospital were being groomed as future leaders of the drugged Isis cult. Foremost among Bateson’s recruits was Ken Kesey who received his first LSD dose from Bateson in 1959. Other “subjects” included Jerry Garcia, later the founder of the Grate ful Dead rock band. Another outstanding member of the Grateful Dead is the son of Wharton School pro fessor Eric Trist, the leading Tavistock Institute operative in the United States and a principal con troller of the MOVE black terrorist gang that recently staged a gun battle with Philadelphia police. Much of the LSD used to build the Isis counter culture cult in the Haight-Asbury section of San Francisco found its way into the streets from MK Ultra channels. In 1963, when Leary left Harvard, the Leary LSD operations were funded principally by Billy Mellon Hitchcock. Hitchcock’s contributions to Leary were paid out through a British West Indies con duit known as the Fiduciary Trust – a wholly con trolled subsidiary of the Investors’ Overseas Service, which is and was an Israeli dirty-money operation co ordinated on the U.S. side through the New York holding company, the Dreyfuss Corporation. Hitch cock, an heir to the Mellon banking family of Pitts burgh, not only funded Leary’s pet projects, but financed Leary’s Brotherhood of Eternal Love as a major hashish marketing and LSD manufacturing operation which was based, like Jones’s Peoples Temple, in California and the Caribbean. In 1968, Leary, Ken Kesey, Alan Watts, and homo sexual poet Allen Ginsberg from New York organized the so-called Summer of Love. This nationwide Dio nysian celebration provided the context for a massive infusion of drugs into every part of the USA which left thousands of youth ravaged by their first experiences with addictive and hallucinogenic chemicals. To service the psychological disorders and human misery resulting from the drug epidemic, institutions such as the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic were created. Today, these clinics serve as centers for the movement to decriminalize “recreational” drugs, and as recruiting centers for cult outfits such as the Glide Memorial Church and Jones’s People’s Temple. Dr. Joel Fort’s Project One mental health clinic in San Francisco was part of the network of clinics set up to service the growing number of youth who quickly went from marijuana and an occasional hallucino genic trip to hard-core heroin addiction and psychosis. – Michelle Steinberg
The media cultists Even in the atmosphere of untrammeled sensationalism that followed the Jones cult mass suicide, Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post managed to sink lower than even the orgy-of death-peddling competition. “Deathcults on the warpath” ; “Death in the jungle” ; “Slain aide knew he’d be killed” ran each day’s banner head lines. For political impact, Murdoch, a protege of British press peer Lord Beaverbrook, went page one with a story of extremely dubious vintage headed “Jones cult planned to move to Russia,” a story relegated by most of Murdoch’s yellow-journal competitors to the back pages. A Post editorial enjoined “Stop the evil.” But the Post continues to act as evil’s propagandist. Murdoch’s lurid brand of journalism was brought to New York not to make money (as our last issue revealed, it’s already lost Murdoch $18 million on a newspaper that cost him $30 million in the first place) but to act as the media sup porter of the Big MAC operation, whose can nibalistic practices usually go under the euphemism of “austerity. “ Another media star that thinks cultism is good business is NBC, which this year has become the National Broadcaster of Cults. Long before the Jonestown events, NBC was popularizing cult beliefs. For example, its widely touted “Holo caust” series fulfilled the Zionist lobby pro paganda requirements for instilling necrophiliac paranoia in U. S. and Israeli citizens. Rev. Jones got what he wanted by getting people to lose their grip on reality. NBC is look ing to do the same with the whole United States. Even before the Jones blowout, NBC undertook a comprehensive series on such U. S. brainwashees as Synanon and the Hare Krishnas, to inculcate the line that “the future of the world is in the hands of the cults.” Now it has announced a new bombshell, “Masada,” about 900-plus Jews who, rather than fall into the hands of Roman legion aires, killed themselves en masse. But does cultism pay? Murdoch and NBC may find there’s “room for one more” in the Kool-aid set. Murdoch has been losing so much money on the Post that last week he was forced to cancel the recently inaugurated Sunday edition, after his planned New York morning tabloid, the Sun, failed to get off the drawing boards. And also last week, NBC canceled half its weekly pro gramming after a grim look at the ratings
Marion Smith in 1982 was first director of ISAT, (Intermountain Sexual Abuse Treatment Center) which at the time was the only agency in Utah devoted exclusively to the treatment of child sexual abuse.
Some of Marion’s other achievements are listed at the end in the links.
This is a report that Marion wrote quite a few years later about the abuse of her grandchildren and wider abuse in Bountiful.
The following text is a machine transcription which unfortunately picked up the Library stamps on the copy and spurted out some jibberish. I have tried to delete these and correct some transcript but please ensure to use the pdf if you wish to quote the original 32 page text – 2004 Mar Marion B Smith A Report of Child Sexual Abuse in LDS Neighbourhoods [UT105]
A REPORT OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN LDS NEIGHBORHOODS By MARION B. SMITH MARCH, 2004
In order to protect those who were child victims at the time of the events in the following narrative, all children’s names are pseudonyms except those already identified in court records. The names of alleged teen-age perpetrators and of our daughters are also pseudonyms. Otherwise, all names, locations and dates are as accurate as our recollection and records permit.
The President of the LDS church, Gordon B. Hinckley, was asked by Mike Wallace in a national television interview in April, 1996 if abuse was a critical issue in the LDS community and if the patriarchal system discriminated against women and child victims. President Hinckley’s response was that there was “a blip here and a blip there” but nothing of major consequence. The following account is of one of these “blips” which occurred in our family and in our Mormon neighborhood and ward.
Since our experience, we have become aware of many cases of child abuse involving priesthood holders of responsible positions in the LDS church. In 2004, the Catholic church in the United States acknowledged 10,667 claims of abuse perpetrated by clergy since 1950 which has cost the church $533,400,000 in settlement fees. Will the LDS church ever acknowledge the number of child abuse allegations that have been made against its leaders or how much has been paid to settle such claims or to provide therapy for victims? Members are not told how many daily calls are made to the twenty-four hour sexual abuse hotline which all bishops and stake presidents are instructed to contact prior to reporting abuse.
Personnel on the hotline (depending on the particular state’s laws) advise whether these allegations must be reported to legal authorities. It seems apparent that there must be many of President Hinkley’s “blips” to require a twenty-four hour church hotline for child sexual abuse. My husband, Nicholas G. Smith Junior, came of “goodly parentage.” His lineage is from the Prophet Joseph Smith’s uncle, John Smith, and includes his great-grandfather George A. Smith (counselor to Brigham Young), grandfather John Henry Smith (counselor to Joseph F. Smith) and father Nicholas G. Smith,( assistant apostle to Heber J. Grant at the time of his death in 1945). President of the church, George Albert Smith, was Nick’s uncle. The Mormon church and culture were of primary importance in Nick’s family of origin. For them, the church was the scale against which all aspects of life were measured. While Nick rebelled somewhat against the overwhelming “churchiness” of his family during his adolescence and through a short enlistment in the US navy in the second world war , after his LDS mission to South Africa in the late 1940’s, he returned with a strong testimony and desire to build his life around church practice and community.
My family of origin was also from pioneer stock, but my parents were involved in the LDS church only minimally. I attended church pretty regularly however and my friends were almost all Mormon, but in my teenage and college years I had something of a crisis offaith. I was engaged to Nick while he was on his mission but didn’t know if a temple marriage to him would be a betrayal of my inner integrity. Interestingly, a private dialogue I had with Sterling MeMurrin, in whose philosophy class I was enrolled, gave me the permission I wanted to marry Nick. “Do you want to live the LDS lifestyle?” he asked me. “Do you want to raise your kids in the church and serve in the Mormon community?” I did indeed. ‘Then don’t let how many angels are on top of a pin stop you from what you want so much. Just be honest with your fiance.”
Nick and I were married in 1950 in the Salt Lake LDS temple. Subsequently, Nick became a successful investment banker specializing in municipal bond finance while I specialized in the bearing and raising of seven children. Our family’s life was centered around the church. Although we both had many intellectual questions regarding the history and workings of the institution and had many friends, contacts and interests outside the church, we raised our children in orthodox fashion. Nick and I were ‘ I mavericks to some degree, but we believed in the basic doctrines and raised our children J to believe, Nick served as Elders Quorum president, as Sunday school teacher for at I least twenty years, was a guide on Temple Square for eleven years, and was a High Councilman in the Salt Lake Stake, while 1 held most positions available to women on the ward and stake level and was on several General Board Relief Society committees. Ours was a rich and full life, if also frantic and challenging in our attempt to meet business and family needs.
In 1982 I became the first director of ISAT, (Intermountain Sexual Abuse Treatment Center) which at the time was the only agency in Utah devoted exclusively to the treatment of child sexual abuse. I had returned to graduate school at the University of Utah when our youngest daughter was five and was a board member for Utah Girls Village when they decided to expand their program to include the treatment and prevention of child sexual abuse. Along with the other therapists at ISAT, I trained around the country under most of the national experts then practicing in this brand new field in psychotherapy. Child sexual abuse emerged as an area of social and psychological imperative interest only in the late seventies and early eighties and we were on the cutting edge of national debate and research. It is ironic how the experience I gained was to play out in our own family’s life.
In 1985 we resided with our two youngest daughters, ages nineteen and sixteen, in Bountiful, Utah. Our other children were married or away at graduate school. Two of our daughters with small children lived close to us in Maple Hills. Their families were very involved in the life of our ward.
In July, 1985 I was asked to give a lesson to my ward Relief Society on the symptoms and treatment of child sexual abuse. Immediately afterward, a sister told me of her five year-old son’s behavior as he tried to insert small objects into his baby brother’s rectum and engaged in other inappropriate sexual behaviors. On my recommendation, this mother took her child to our agency. A chain of child abuse subsequently unfolded leading to several children, to allegedly abusive teen age baby sitters and finally to the daughter of Brett Bullock and to Bret himself who was a prominent architect at the time. Ten children made allegations of abuse against adolescent baby tenders of both genders and against several men in the ward. Eventually Bret was convicted of abusing his own and other children and imprisoned, largely because of the help Davis County prosecutors received from high-powered attorneys engaged by the victims’ families. Two of the prominent victim families were those of Nick Rose, president of Mountain Fuel, and Richie Smith of Smith’s Food King. The little boys in these families were seven years old, the age of our oldest grandchild. I taught them all in Primary.
I repeatedly told our Bishop, Walt Gasser, that ward parents needed to be aware of the situation with baby tenders in the ward and that all the children involved needed therapy. Bishop Gasser did nothing until his own son was named by other children as another child victim. This little boy then told a therapist how Bullock had abused him. Bishop Gasser called a meeting with parents of about fifteen families and some church authorities. The parents were given names of therapists and agencies where their children could receive help. Many of them took their children for an interview but in all cases for one appointment only. None of these children revealed abuse. It would have been unusual for them to do so in one interview. Bishop Gasser decided to get to the bottom of the affair by grilling his own son. He told me that he kept the eight-year old up all night urging him to tell the truth through statements like, “You won’t go to bed until you tell all you know about this. If it did happen and you don’t tell me, Bret Bullock might not go to jail and he could come and get you.” The little boy completely recanted and the neighborhood seized on this denial to insist the whole episode was a blown up witch hunt and only Brett was guilty.
A few months later in January of 1986, Janice, a baby tender used by both our daughters, was implicated by a child victim in the Bullock case. Our daughter Eileen and her husband Bill Carstensea were told by me about the allegations regarding Janice. Bill insisted his children be interviewed and made an appointment at ISAT with Dr. Barbara Snow. He told Barbara, “Ask Tricia (then age five). She’ll tell.” Barbara found no problems with Susan (Eileen’s oldest child, recently turned eight) or Tricia. Susan had completed psychological tests with a school psychologist two months earlier in connection with consideration of skipping a school grade. The psychologist found Susan to be, “a very healthy child with no significant problems.” Barbara told Eileen the kids seemed fine, but on hearing more about the baby tender, she re-interviewed the children for another two hours, Susan finally volunteered, “Sometimes when we’re asleep Janice comes in and puts crayons up us.” All the children in both families had appeared to be very fond of Janice. Our other daughter’s little girls corroborated their cousins’ stories about things put up their bottoms.
After many appointments, the children had revealed that Janice sometimes brought two teenage boys to join in her sex play with them. They told of terrible acts. After about two months of therapy, we had a “hero’s” party for our grandchildren. At the party they drew pictures of bad baby sitters hurting children. They tore these up or burned them in the fireplace. The children received medals for saving other children by telling of their abuse. Bill kicked a pillow around pretending it was Janice. The party finished off with lots of ice cream and hugs for the brave heroes.
The night Janice was named by the grandchildren, Eileen, Bill and I met with her parents to tell them of the allegations. We pled with them to get help for their sixteen 5 year-old and promised not to initiate criminal proceedings against her. The parents broke down crying and accepted the possibility that something happened to Janice when they lived in California. The father muttered. “It’s got to be drugs.” Later, the parents denied their daughter was involved in improper actions and became very antagonistic to all of us. I don’t believe Janice ever received any help.
As our grandchildren’s therapy continued, the circle of perpetrators widened to include Dick and Brenda Miles. Dick was a counselor to Bishop Gasser and our son-inlaw Bill was the financial clerk. Brenda was the daughter of Apostle Russell Nelson. Two of the grandchildren independently of each other picked out from the high school yearbook photos of the same two teenage boys who abused them. Susan and Tricia named them Mustardfaee and Tinklemouth. The boys’ friendship with Janice was confirmed. The Bountiful police, after interviewing Susan and Tricia, showed no interest in pursuing the allegations. We suspected this was because of Brenda’s relationship to Apostle Nelson.
On February 13,1986, Eileen was driving six year-old Tricia home from therapy when Tricia asked, “What’s the difference between what Janice and Dick Miles do to us and Daddy’s marriage lessons’?” Eileen nearly drove off the road but managed to get home where she confronted Bill. He told her she was crazy and stormed off, locking himself in a bedroom. Eileen called me hysterically sobbing and I raced to her house. She phoned psychiatrist Dr. Ian Stout who had provided marital counseling to the Carstensens the previous fall. Dr Stout talked Eileen down and expressed his opinion that he didn’t think it was possible Bill was a child molester. Eileen called Barbara Snow who made appointments for all the children for the next day.
On February 14, Dr. Snow began her appointment with Tricia as Eileen and her children and her sister with her children sat in the waiting room. Barbara insisted I be present in the interview with Tricia. The session started with Tricia singing “Two little Speckled Frogs” and dancing around. Barbara asked if she could record the session and Tricia agreed after she hid played with the tape recorder, (In 1986 no one was videotaping children’s interviews as is now routinely done). Finally the interview moved toward what Tricia had said to her mother. Tricia explained, “Daddy says you have to have the marriage lesson so you can be a good wife and mommy. So you can have babies. So Heavenly Father will think you’re good.” As the interview went on, she continued, “We leant how our bodies are made. Where babies come from and stufflike that.” Then Tricia reported she’d seen Daddy kissing Janice in the entry hall when she was upstairs looking over the banister, and she hated seeing them. For two hours the session continued until finally Tricia became too agitated and tired. She had told how you had to take your clothes off and learn all the parts “down there.” Dr. Snow finally asked if Daddy had ever showed her things with parts of his body? Tricia went crazy yelling she hated Dr. Snow, kicking over the dollhouse, stamping on the dolls and sobbing uncontrollably as I held her.
Barbara Snow ended the interview and called the police while I phoned Nick and asked him to find Bill and bring him to the office. Barbara had a short interview with Susan. She told Susan that Tricia had bravely told “important secrets.” Then Susan voluntarily reported much of what Tricia had said. The children in the waiting room had been going crazy, almost as if they knew what Tricia was saying. Eileen’s baby had broken the fishbowl and the children were all out of control, so our other daughter took them all to her home. Her children never saw Bill again. Nick, Eileen, Bill and I then met with Dr. Snow. Bill said, “I don’t remember anything. 1 don’t know what they’re talking about but my kids don’t lie”. I told Bill for that good therapeutic help was available if he could just acknowledge his actions.
The Carstensen children stayed with us that night and Eileen and Bill went to their house where they raged and screamed at each other all night The next morning they came to our home for a ineeting with Nick and me and their children. I told the children that Daddy was sick and needed to go to the hospital to get help. Bill held Tricia on his lap as he told them, “I can’t remember anything. I’m scarry, but I believe you and you’re doing the right thing by telling, I’m going to get help.” This was the last time the Carstensen family was to be together in the same room.
Nick and I were in total shock, but we never doubted the truth of Tricia’s statements. Many in our family always had trouble accepting Bill, He was very bright, very eager to be accepted and very insecure. He appeared to be totally devoted to Eileen and the children. He was eager to fielp us with miscellaneous small tasks. We hoped with time he would be more confident as he became more secure in Eileen’s love. Several of our younger children couldn’t stand him and that had been a source of contention in our home. He was way more “touchy-feely” with all the girls in our family than any of us were comfortable with. We had mentioned this to Eileen and Nick had told Bill directly that his daughters didn’t like it, Eileen’s response was that our family was too hung up on physical touching which was Bill’s way of expressing affection since be felt (and was) awkward verbally, even though he was a practicing attorney depending on words to earn a living. Bill was a returned missionary and his redeeming virtue in our eyes was his dedication to church activity. He and Eileen attended temple sessions nearly weekly and were very active in the ward. Not until long after the abuse was disclosed, did we learn of Eileen’s and Bill’s marital problems, particularly in sexual areas where Bill blamed Eileen for their problems, Eileen assumed he was right and the problems were her fault. Although we knew Bill had a very difficult childhood and that his mother was extremely demanding of him, it never once entered our minds that Bill had been molested or was himself capable of abusing a child. True to the profile, he seemed to adore children and was very involved in thje care of his own.
On February 17, Nick look Eileen and her children to Hawaii where 1 joined them a few days later. We have a condo in Hawaii and thought it would be wonderful to get the ‘ children in the ocean and sunshine ofthat idyllic spot. Bill committed himself to the in¬ patient psychiatric ward at LDS Hospital under the care of Dr. Mason Redd. Dr. Redd decided Bill was so beaten in life, so psychologically downtrodden, that he’d believe anything he was accused of. He saw Bill as helpless and innocent, a victim.
In Hawaii, Eileen was almost psychotic. The kids were afraid they were going to lose their Daddy. One night Eileen was accidentally locked out of the condo when Nick was inside with the kids. She was hysterical, banging on the door screaming, “Let me in to my babies! You can’t keep me away from my babies!” It was a terrible time. The children phoned Bill daily with Eileen, Nick or me on the other extension. He kept telling them they were doing the right thing, to keep up the good work and tell everything. He told Eileen he thought he must be crazy. The children told him to come to Hawaii and play with them. He told them to mind their mother and say their prayers.
Meanwhile, in Salt Lake our other daughter’s children continued seeing Barbara Snow. They both gave vivid details of how Bill abused them and that he was at parties at the Miles. Brenda Miles was one of this daughter’s best friends. The children were often at each other’s homes. Dick Miles had been violent with the children and very threatening. He showed them deer antlers in his garage and said he would push them up them if they told. He twisted a kitten’s neck until it was limp and quiet and told five yearold Heather that’s what he’d do to her little sister if she ever told. Then the children watched him bury the kitten. Brenda told Heather she’d run over her little sister in her big car if either of them ever told about the parties. The children were taken, to see Dr.Ann Tyler who verified abuse by at least two babysitters, Brenda and Dick Miles and Bill Carstensen.
In Hawaii, the children erupted with new information, mostly in the middle of the night when they screamed or sobbed some new horror. They told Eileen or me, sometimes alone, sometimes together. I tried to take accurate notes on all they said. One afternoon Susan was drawing a floor plan of what presumably was their home, but it turned out to be Grandma Carstensen’s. and Tricia then told about the “parties” at Grandma’s house Bill took them to. Some of their cousins on Bill’s side were often there as well as three or four older women. The sexual activity at Grandma’s parties was not as extreme or violent as at the parties in Bountiful. It included sexual acts between Bill and his mother that the children witnessed. In Hawaii, the children made Playdough Grandmas and stuck pins in them or ground them up. Grandma Carstensen was named by them “Germy-sour-throw-np”, They were freer to express rage at her than at their Dad or the Miles.
One late night, Susan remembered something, “1 have to tell you something awful. It’s too awful to tell, it was too bad. But they made me”. Then Susan wrote in her big second grade script what was too painful to tell. “They made us drink kofey” she wrote and sobbed, “They said if we told anyone about the parties, they’d tell how we drank coffee”. When Susan gasped out those words, 1 hated the church and I hated myself for buying into its value system.
The children ran and played wildly on the beach and at night revealed new unsolicited information. They couldn’t be slowed down or paced. They erupted. Even the little barely three year-old who was totally confused told what “bad people’-did and-that it hurt. The nine- month old baby screamed constantly and clung to his mother every moment.
A week later our other daughter and her children joined us in Hawaii. All the children were super-charged. We tried to plan calming activities for them but to little avail. The bottle had been uncorked. At that time, group sexual abuse of children wasjust beginning to be described in America. Therapists were in uncharted territory. Since then the nauseating and violent actions indulged in especially by the adolescent boys in our case have been described by others working with teenage perpetrators involved in group sex with children. Like others, the teenage boys in our case were drawn to object rape and toilet activities. They didn’t bother with trying to make their acts into “games”.
In Salt Lake, Barbara Snow was seeing the Thomas children from the Bountiful neighborhood who told the same stories of abuse by Miles. Bill and the same baby tenders. The Thomas children were also victims of abuse by perpetrators in the Brett Bullock case. One of these children developed a life-threatening case of bone tuberculosis the doctors felt was caused by “severely contaminated water” which the parents were sure was the urine/feces KoolAid drink forced on the children by the adolescent boys according to all of the children’s reports. Several of the Thomas children have developed disabilities as a result of the abuse. Mrs. Thomas attempted for years to receive justice for her children but legal action was never taken. Another family whose children were reportedly at the Miles’ parties believed the allegations and within a month moved from the neighborhood. So did the Brundages whose little boys were victims in the Bullock case and the Richie Smith family moved as well.
The child victims in the neighborhood are now mostly in their twenties. I recently spoke with a therapist who currently has several clients from our old Bountiful neighborhood. She says the damage is terrible.
Eileen’s children were taken to Dr. Martin Palmer at Primary Hospital for verification of the abuse and to assess medical harm. Dr, Palmer found no question of their abuse. Even with his expertise and extreme kindness to children, our grandchildren were very angry about the examinations.
The children began to see child psychiatrist Dr. Paul Whitehead and our other grandchildren began therapy with Dr. Joanna McManimen. Bits of information continued to come from them at random times for several years. They’d be making cookies and nonchalantly say, “Remember when.. For months they made “poison” for the “wicked people” to drink. They made playdough people over and over and chopped them up or drew and ripped up pictures of the “bad people.” They wrote stories and drew pictures of “good Daddy and bad Daddy”. Tricia told Eileen she’d be worse than all the bad people if she divorced Daddy. The three-year-old wanted to know if she would catch Bill’s sickness. For many weeks Bill’s niece Heather drew Bill’s heart with a line down the middle, half of it pink and half black. She wanted to know if people were mad that she still loved him. Nightmares, crying bouts, depression, withdrawal and anger continued for months, well, really for years.
One of our imperative concerns when our grandchildren first disclosed Bill’s abuse of them was whether our own younger children could have been abused by him. We asked our youngest children, who were now teenagers but were five, seven and nine when Eileen first met Bill, if this could be possible and received definite “no’s”. They were all devastated about their nieces. Our youngest daughter’s eating disorder was a high indicator of abuse and we remained concerned about her.
After leaving LDS Hospital. Bill saw Jan Stout three times and Dr. Stout told Eileen Bill was not a perpetrator. After he saw my notes and the children’s art made in Hawaii, however, he changed his mind. My notes and the pictures were given to the Bountiful police who interviewed the baby tenders one at a time and declared them all innocent. The police searched the Carstensen home, presumably for videos, and interviewed Eileen about Bill. They called the Miles and obligingly made an appointment to search their house the next day. Afterwards. Miles’ involvement was completely dismissed by the Bountiful police department.
At first Bill claimed only two or three little pictures of memory. Financed by us. he entered the Johns Hopkins sexual perpetrator treatment program, reputedly the best in the country, for six weeks. There he failed the lie detector test when he denied molesting his children. Under sodium amythoi, he stated, “I know I’ve done things to my kids. I know my mother molested me.” In ail his statements and therapy he was careful to go only so far in implicating himself and was always very vague with details. He was, after all, an attorney.
By this time. Bountiful had virtually dismissed the case against Bill especially because our daughters were not going to allow their children to testify. Children in a recent trial in Lehi had suffered a lot in the trial. Protocols to protect children in court had not yet been developed to the degree they now exist. A case in Salt Lake County was filed against Bill and his mother because abuse of our grandchildren had allegedly occurred at his mother’s home, in Salt Lake. Mike George, investigator for Salt Lake County, interviewed Bill at Johns Hopkins when he was in the east interviewing witnesses in connection with the Mark Hoffman forgery and murder case. Mike had no access to Bill’s files at Johns Hopkins and believed Bill to be innocent. He told attorneys in the Salt Lake child protection department that Bill stated the Smiths had plotted to ruin his life and were succeeding. Mike decided if the children were not to testify, there was no case. Leslie Lewis and Karen Knight-Egan of the Salt Lake County Attorney’s office told us they believed Bill was guilty but there was nothing they could do.
In May, the therapists at Johns Hopkins requested that Eileen go there for some joint sessions before Bill’s release. Her baby was still nursing so Eileen had to take him. Nick and I went with her.
Eileen had several interviews and Nick and 1 were allowed one with Bill’s therapist and Bill. Eileen was not there because someone had to tend the baby. We tape recorded this frustrating session. At times Bill denied and then admitted actions the children had reported. Because the children’s accounts were confusing and we felt the need to know exactly who the perpetrators and child victims all were and exactly what had happened to the children, I tried to ask questions Bill would not feel too trapped by and still get information we badly needed. Bill, on the other hand, had to act like he was cooperating and give some answers, but he also had to protect himself legally.
For example, here is a transcript from a section of the recording:
MARION: Did you know that baby tenders were bringing teenage boys to your home and what they were doing?
BILL: In going back.. .and trying to think, at first.. .1 don’t see there being a knowledge, but it somewhat dawned on me what was…goin’ on. ..(long pause) but no we basically, we’d always be home at midnight or shortly thereafter so something like that…no, and I believe that the majority of those went on without my…without my awareness of it..that…(voice trails of)
MARION: Do you know how frequent the parties at Miles’ were?
BILL: I would say…you’re going on probably talkin’one or two times a month.
MARION; How did the parties get organized?
BILL: (long, long pause) I would say the …majority of them were probably through…actually between Janice and Dick…her letting him know who she was tending for and.. .
MARION: Do you recall taking your children to some of the parties?
BILL: The only place 1 can conceive taking them to is Miles’ house. MARION: Do you recall talking to Dick Miles about these things?
BILL: No, I don’t…it was somewhat mobile. The parties could be in three or four houses in our neighborhood when I was there and that…conceivably when 1 wasn’t there and these other people were doing things that involved others. No, I have memories of things taking place at three different houses.
MARION: What three?
BILL: Miles, Carstensens and my mother’s house.
MARION: Parties were mostly in the evening or the day?
BILL: Most of those…were rarely in the evening and mostly in the day. Saturdays is when the times I would have the children. Eileen would be gone shopping or something like that I would be with the kids.
MARION; Do you know what was in the shots the children say they were given?
BILL: No, I don’t …think I was aware of…
MARION: Do you know who the teenagers were?
BILL: As far as any of the time that 1 can… I can only have memories of two or three times and seems there was only, you know, adults and children, there was never…
MARION: Do you know who the adults were?
BILL: The only ones that I can…specifically picture is being there, I know there were others there, myself and Miles, there is my friend Dan and…my mother on that side but that’s all…
MARION: How did it all get started? BILL:I can’t. .I haven’t been able to come up with those things and I expend an inordinate time trying to put things together…and have come with hypothesis from the beginning…(stops)
MARION: But not memories?
BILL; Correct.
MARION: What did you do to keep your kids quiet?
BILL: (heavy sigh) Basically, there was never any.. .never any physical threat any.. .it was through ultimate manipulative love and devotion. And, ugh, ya, the…kids love me and I love them and told them Eileen was so self-conscious that she really didn’t feel she could participate and kept telling them if you told Mom about it she’ll be so sad…she didn’t have fun…wouldn’t have, at the next party, they couldn’t have refreshments or…and, ugh,…
MARION: What did you tell your nieces to keep them quiet?
BILL: Uh, the only thing I can recall on, knowing them, how I knew they would, probably something like, you know, that we would tell… their Mommy and Daddy would be really mad at them and think they were bad but… never,. .any.., violence towards them, just they would get in trouble.
MARION: What was Brenda Miles’role at the parties?
She was basically a cheerleader and took the videos. The interview continued for an hour covering topics such as what the abuse consisted of, the video taking and other child victims. Perhaps Bill had little memory of many of his actions as he apparently was highly dissociative. No new information was really received by us. Occasionally the therapist would interrupt. She had no idea there had been group sex parties with multiple perpetrators, of the extent of the abuse, of videos or the amount of violence and damage. She had never heard of Bill’s nieces or of Miles or Janice. She thought she was dealing only with incest of Bill’s children. We found it appalling that Johns Hopkins responded as they did. We had sent a summary of the children’s reports and it seemed like it had never been read by Bill’s primary therapist.
They had worked on Bill’s own abuse by his mother and on his lack of confidence, inability to trust, sexual preferences, etc. Yet in the file Johns Hopkins gave to Bill (which Eileen managed to get from him) it stated that under drugs Bill said he had performed sexual acts with his children, he knew his mother had sexually abused him for his entire life, and he knew he had participated in group sexual activity with his children. In their final report they stated, “Bill is a fairly egocentric individual and finds it difficult at times to tune into others and meet their needs in an empathic manner…he views himself as victimized…and feels inadequate in many areas and his self-esteem is fairly low. He carries deep-seated resentment of many individuals which he typically hides. His childhood apparently holds more negative than positive feelings.. .on two tests he manifested a willingness to violate social and/or legal sanctions to further his own needs…He feels he has a “sex problem” and ‘hasn’t been able to control my sexual behavior’. He seems appropriately concerned and remorseful…it is doubtful that he; £ presents much risk to the community at large and he docs not appear in need of a secure ‘ environment in order to protect himself or others…” . They gave his diagnosis as pedophilia.
The original report prepared by Dr. Carlos Roby who tested Bill at ISAT was far superior to anything at Johns Hopkins. After Bill’s release, when he found he wasn’t going to be legally prosecuted, he recanted on everything he’d admitted.
The abuse of our grandchildren, including even the two babies, was horrendous. The older grandchildren’s stories were consistent in detail with each other. 1 have narrated some of these same events and what they said in two books I’ve written, Paperdolls and Riptide, We finally identified as perpetrators four teenagers, Brenda and Dick Miles, Bill, a friend of Bill’s who lived in Salt Lake, his mother and several of her unnamed women friends. The parties at Miles’ lasted about an hour and included showing pornographic videos of children, “touching games,” sometimes video filming and refreshments. Sometimes there were costumes and props and apparently the children sometimes .received injections of what we’re not sure. The children said, “The shots were to make it not hurt”.
Bill’s absence from home was very hard on his children. Susan destroyed everything given to her by perpetrators like Janice but not gifts from her dad. A watch he’d given her became her most precious possession. She called Bill “pooh-pooh brain,” “pervert.” “non-Mormon” and “liar.” At various times she said. “I want to tell him how angry I am he tricked us. Then I want to go somewhere fun with him. I wish Daddy had never been | born. 1 wish he was up in Heaven. 1 wish he’d never done this. It’s all his fault things”/’ are bad at home and Mommy’s so breakable. I want to cut his penis off. Am I bad td love him after what he’s done? I love him more than my head. God’s going to help us. I don’t know if he’ll help Daddy. Can 1 be baptized again instead of the one by Daddy. A few months later Nick did re-baptize her.
Tricia looked at the picture of Jesus with little children hanging in her room and said she had prayed and prayed that the abuse would end or at least that Heavenly Father would make it not hurt so bad but He never stopped it. She called herself the “Telling Mouse.” She was afraid her cousin would tell kids at school. She wondered if she’d have a baby right away. Some of her statements were, “1 want to say to Grandma, you big brat. You get off this entire whole world. I want to say to Janice, you bulgy brat. Scallywag. Out of this town. You’re a big pooh. You’re gross. You’re awful wicked. meaner than anyone in the world. I want to say to Daddy, i hate you Daddy, bad Daddy. Inside the good Daddy. You bug me. You hurt very bad. What you’ve done is as sharp as a thumb tack.” Like Susan, she was angry, withdrawn, regressed in school and in play, had nightmares every night, got mad when driving past perpetrators’ homes and destroyed clothes and toys perpetrators had given her.
The three year-old said, “They haven’t killed me yet Mommy, but Heavenly Father wants me killed for telling.” She asked the cleaning lady if she was going to hurt her witls the sharp plant water meter. She was frightened of many things including water. According to her siblings. Dick Miles nearly drowned her once. About a year later she was terribly depressed. Nick and 1 took her one Saturday for fun time but there was nothing she wanted to do—not the zoo, the park, the pet store or toy store, not ice cream or a treat. She was totally flat and unresponsive. It was probably the most heartbreaking time we’ve had with a little child.
Their cousin Heather also wondered ifshe’d have a baby soon. She kept asking if she was bad to still love Bill. Longer than the other children, she continued to believe in his good as well as bad nature. She drew a picture of “my heart and the bad guys’ hearts and the sun’s over them for a test. This test is to see ifthey can feel the sun. Rowers are under my heart ‘cause 1 can see the flowers and they can’t. The black heart is Tinkleface boy and Dick Miles. The blue heart is Bill. The black heart is cruder than the blue heart.” She said, ‘it felt worst when it felt good. It felt good sometimes on the outside but bad on the inside.” Heather could space out a lot. She told me she could go to her “safe place” at the cabin whenever she wanted.
Her little sister said, “They hurt us with a nail and their fingers.” Perhaps this referred to the injections. She painted an alligator on an elephant’s back, “it’s going to look for the bad guys. They’re friends who help each other. The alligator has sharp teeth to get them. The alligator Is all hurt inside—inside and outside. Now they’re going to the doctor to get all better.” She drew a picture ofspiders eating the bad people and told a story about it. In many of her disclosures, she’d end with a sentence about her mother coming to the parties and making everyone stop being mean to the children.
These are a few examples from dozens we have. All the children expressed their rage with drawings of black crayon violently scribbled across the page. In retrospect, it would have been difficult to get credible testimony from these little children whose ages ranged from three to eight They had to express their feelings any way they could. A great deal of time, effort, money, therapy and care has gone into their healing over the years.
When Eileen divorced Bill, he agreed to a legal order of no contact with his children. About two years later he sent the children a wedding invitation and enclosed a note that he wanted them to “meet their new mother”, i called and pled with his wife to be to at least listen to the children’s therapists’ opinion of the threat Bill might pose to her children, but she was very hostile. We and our children’s families moved from Bountiful as did several other families. In the process of moving, Eileen found Bill’s journal which indicated some of his conflicted feelings.
Shortly after we moved, Bishop Gasser was replaced as bishop by Dr. Donald Doty, a thoracic surgeon and partner of Russell Nelson’s. Nick and I went to his home and laid out the entire story suggesting that there were many at-risk children in his ward who required protection and therapy. He heard us out sympathetically. Nick asked ifhe. believed our story. He replied, “1 think you believe it” We asked what he was going to do about the baby tenders in his ward who allegedly were child abusers and he answered, “That’s the stake president’s problem.” We left and haven’t seen him since.
The Bountiful stake president was Nick’s nephew, Craig Smith. He spoke with us and with the parents in our family of the abused children as well as with Bill. Craig told Nick he repeatedly interviewed Bill as well as Dick and Brenda Miles and they denied all charges. He asked if he could interview the children. Eileen said he could talk to Susan and Trick but he never did. He consulted Dr. Paul Whitehead, the children’s psychiatrist, who told him “In my opinion these children have been sexually abused by the perpetrators they’ve named.” Craig read the Johns Hopkins report on Bill identifying him as a pedophile and stating that under drugs he admitted abusing his children. He talked to his church superiors and to the area president and told us he believed Apostle-; Packer favored holding a church court for the Miles and Bill. We have no idea what really went on in the church hierarchy except that they wanted the problem to go away. Craig said he would push the matter with the church leaders because “1 don’t have any ambitions for higher church position anyway,” if he did push hard, nothing happened. He did remove Brenda and Dick Miles from their church positions by changing the entire bishopric. A church court was never held for Bill.
Immediately after the abuse was first revealed, our daughters took their children to Apostle Neal Maxwell for blessings. He was very caring and concerned about them. Bill also sought counsel from Apostle Maxwell, We don’t know what passed between them, but Neal gave him a blessing. For many years the Maxwell’s were among our closest friends. Nick and Neal often lunched together. They had been overnight to our cabin three or four times and used our Hawaiian condo on several occasions. Neal had performed the marriage of Eileen and Bill and of Heather’s parents as well as another of our children’s. He had given a special blessing to one of our children for a health problem. When Eileen was exposed to German measles while pregnant with Tricia, it was to Neal she had turned for advice. After Eileen had waited a year for a temple divorce, it was granted post-haste when Nick brought the matter up with Neal. We weren’t sure what we expected Neal to do about the alleged abuse. He was in an impossible situation with Russell Nelson in the Quorum of the Twelve, but we expected some reaction or follow-up inquiries from Neal. Neal and Colleen invited us to dinner at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building a few months after the abuse disclosure. In extending the invitation, Neal said to Nick, “Colleen doesn’t know anything about your problems. Let’s keep the whole evening light and not bring them up.” That dinner was the last time we have seen the Maxwell’s socially. Nick, appalled at the lack of church investigation, invited Neal to lunch at our home a couple of years later. Nick wanted to clear the air between them. He asked Apostle Maxwell why nothing had happened in the case of the Miles and Bill. Maxwell appeared not to remember that the Miles were involved in the abuse and quickly changed the subject.
About two years ago, Neal again invited us to dinner saying he hoped to keep the evening light Nick declined, feeling a social affair would feel like a charade. I wrote Neal a letter then, part of which follows. After recalling the good times of our friendship and concern for his illness of the past several years, I went on, “Neal, my feeling of betrayal by Church leaders including our bishop, stake president and yes, you when the child sex abuse erupted in our Bountiful ward was not only about our grandchildren…I have tracked some of the other children’s lives who were alleged victims in this ward/neighborhood sex ring. There is wreckage of drug abase, dysfunction and severe mental illness. There were at least twelve children involved besides ours and how many others were victimized after we moved I have no idea. Although we tried to warn the bishop and stake president in the ward into which our ex son-in-law Bill Carstensen eventually moved with a new wife and step-daughters, these priesthood leaders did nothing until Bill’s further abuse of his new children (and who knows who else?) led to his exposure and eventual suicide,…”
Our son-in-law. Heather’s father, met Hartman Rector at a dinner at our home one evening a year after the disclosure of the abuse of his children. Hartman was a member of the First Quorum of Seventy at the time. He was incredulous at the church response to our family’s abuse and invited our son-in-law to his office for full disclosure. Brother Rector promised to take action, but our son-in-law never heard from him again. Heather’s dad had previously reported the abuse story to James Paramore of the First Council of Seventy which concluded with the same result as the meeting with Rector. I’m sure when a high church official is associated even indirectly in a case of child abuse in the church, there is a reaction immediately to protect the image of the church. But we have continued to ask ourselves what might have resulted had the church pursued an investigative line of action with respect to the perpetrators in our case? How many child victims might have been saved? What kind of positive message might have been sent to the membership? How might future instances of child abuse within tine church have benefited from such a model?
I am ahead of my story with mention of Bill’s suicide. Two years after we moved from Bountiful, I was approached by April Daniels (pseudonym in her authorship of a book on her abuse) who told us of her childhood abuse by Bill and others in the Mount Olympus neighborhood where she had grown up. I met two other women friends of April’s who suffered similar abuse front Bill. Apparently Bill had abused children he was a child himself. We now know of twenty-six children he abused. Several of thesewe have spoken with. April and I met with three General Authorities to discuss her abuse by her father. Bill and others. April’s father was subsequently disfeliowshipped by his bishop. Bill remained invulnerable to church discipline. April and I together wrote Paperdolls describing our personal experiences of abuse.
About eighteen months after Eileen’s divorce. Bill filed an action in the Third District Court seeking visitation rights with his children. We engaged Dan Bushnellto defend the children against Bill. Dan included the Johns Hopkins diagnosis of pedophile and verbal testimony from Dr. Whitehead as well as the children’s art in his protestation of Bill’s claim. Bill’s second wife heard all the evidence presented that day. Bill was denied any visitation. Several years later, in connection with a civil suit against Bill filed by our two youngest children, Dan requested the court records and was told the file was missing. Later attempts to locate the file also failed. Our assumption is that Bill had a connection in the Third District Court, but we have never been able to determine what happened to that file.
The years following our move from Bountiful were difficult and busy ones for our family. Some wonderful events occurred: two of our children finished graduate school, three were married and three babies were added to the family. I quit my job at ISAT to devote full time to helping our grandchildren, Nick retired after a few years. He suffered from severe depression for about two years caused not only by the abuse in our family but by his gradual alienation from the church to which he had devoted a lifetime of service and activity. Loss of faith in the church due to several causes remains the great sadness of his life.
When our next to youngest daughter had been married about six months, she began to have severe panic attacks, attimes requiring hospitalization. She was twenty-one at this time. After several months oftherapy, she and her husband came to our home one Sunday afternoon and told ns of her newly emerging memories of Bill’s abuse of her and her little sister beginning from the time Bill first dated Eileen and continuing for about three years. Her therapist believed she hadn’t remembered until she felt safe enough in her marriage to allow the memories to surface. This daughter worked as hard and consistently on healing as anyone I’ve known. Her recovery has been heartwarming to observe.
The anorexia and bulimia her little sister, our youngest daughter, endured all through her teenage years were a red flag for abuse. The correlation between eating disorders and sexual abuse is very high. She was hospitalized several times for eating disorders and severe depression. Several trips to hospital emergency rooms aborted her suicide attempts. When she was in graduate school at the University of Utah, she took a semester off to go to an inpatienttreatment center in Washington D.C. for adults molested as children. Like her sister, this child has had a remarkable,recovery and is now married with a baby and is very happy.
Another of our daughters, married and living in Washington with two young children, had also been struggling for many years with the abuse perpetrated on her by Bill, She was ten when she first met Bill. This meant in our family alone Bill had abused his own four children, three of his nephews and nieces, and three of his sisters-in-law, our youngest daughters who ranged in age from five to ten when Eileen first dated Bill. This reality was hard for us to grasp, but there was no way to doubt it. Each child had plenty of symptoms and credible memories. They have all fought valiantly to recover.
In about 1993 our two youngest daughters decided to sue Bill civilly for their abuse. Their attorney was Rocky Anderson, now mayor of Salt Lake, Bill never defended himself or answered the complaint. The girls were awarded a no-contest judgment of two and a half million dollars but it was hard to collect the hundred twenty five dollars a month each girl was allotted by the judge who thought this was all Bill’s financial condition enabled him to spare. Before the judgment. Bill called and asked Nick what they wanted since they knew he had no money. Our youngest daughter called him back and informed him that if he would admit what he had done and get in therapy with a qualified therapist who would send progress reports to them, they would drop all charges. Bill said nothing.
In 1993 the husband of our next to youngest daughter arranged a meeting with Bill’s bishop and stake president, Brian Sellers. Our daughter’s husband, our daughter, her little sister, Nick and I attended the meeting. We told these church leaders the complete story of Bill’s abuse of our grandchildren, of other children in Bountiful who’d accused him, of molestations committed during his adolescence in the Mount Olympus area, of the women who’d made their abuse by him known and of his abuse of our three youngest daughters. They already knew of his recent firing from the State Tax Commission for sexually harassing a teenage employee because the bishop was helping him with his house payments due to his unemployment. The stake president and bishop seemed to believe our story but said they would have to consult the church legal department before J; any action could be taken, an unusual procedure in church courts. Our son-in-law wrote a masterful letter to the regional representative protesting the church inaction but never received an answer. The bishop asked us how he should protect Bill’s stepdaughters. He said, “Bill’s wife is a very devout wife.” Nothing ever happened. No one got back to us. We have wondered over the years if the lack of response was due to Bill’s connection to Apostle Nelson’s daughter and son-in-law.
Following is an excerpt from the letter written by our son-in law to the stake president “I can’t begin to tell you how crushed i felt to look you, a fellow priesthood holder, in the eye and tell you that a diagnosed pedophile who’d returned from a mission and married in the temple bad raped and sodomized my wife and so many others when they were small, innocent children—only to have you tell me that you’d check with your legal department and get back to me, which you’ve never bothered to do…I’m grateful I’m not a stake president but I shall pray for you along with the children Bill has damaged.”
On October 26, 1995 Bill’s brother called one of our children and said Bill had committed suicide the night before. He said he thought our family should know about it and that he was alienated from his family and knew Bill had serious problems. He said there would be a graveside service as the obituary later confirmed. Bill’s wife appeared at Eileen’s door that very day and told Eileen (with whom she’d never had a conversation before) that in the spring her two oldest daughters told their mother Bill was sexually abusing them. She threatened Bill with divorce and with going to the police and they separated. Bill went to Arizona for the summer to work. His step-children continued their revelations of abuse as did the six-year old son. His wife again threatened Bill by phone with police action. In fall, Bill’s mother went to Arizona and drove Bill back to Salt Lake. On the way home they filled several drug prescriptions for sedatives. Bill also knew where his mother kept prescription drugs.
He went to bed at her home and she found him the next morning dead by overdose of prescription drugs. Nick and I talked to the wife on the phone the next day. She told us she thought Bill’s mother knew Bill was going to kill himself and in a way was an accomplice. She thought his mother was worried she would be incriminated if Bill were arrested. Bill left a note to his stepdaughters (none to Eileen’s kids) saying he’d never hurt them and that Heavenly Father would understand. (He’d once sent Susan a note on her birthday saying the therapists had planted things in her brain and Heavenly Father knew he was innocent).
His wife went on to tell us her kids were terribly upset and had serious problems. Her girls felt guilty for Bill’s death. We told her we would pay for her child’s therapy but she never called us back. She said this oldest girl had been to the bishop and told him Bill was physically abusing her, but the bishop had never told Bill’s wife of her complaint or that other adults had asserted to him that Bill was a pedophile. Nick told her she probably had a case against the church, but the ward was helping her financially and she didn’t want to pursue it We’ve never spoken to her since. As far as we know, nothing ever happened legally or in church action to Bill ’s mother or to the Miles. Bill s death was a cause of both shock and rejoicing in our family. Some of us were able to hate him considerably less. Our daughters who’d been abused by him were not so afraid and their nightmares lessened somewhat. Everyone agreed suicide was the best action he ever chose, even if his decision was motivated by fear of incarceration.
Bill’s death helped bring closure to many in our family and helped our children move on with their lives. I had written Riptide a few months before Bill’s death, a fictionalized account of our story in which the narrator murders the child abuser. Writing it was very cathartic for me.
We are gratified by the way our grandchildren have put the past behind them and moved on. Two of them are in medical school, one is in graduate school and one is performing volunteer work in the third world. The babies at the time of the abuse are now in college. Our daughters, too, have largely healed and lead worthwhile and loving lives as mothers of young children. The healing is a tribute to their strength but was helped considerably by long years oftherapy costing well into six figures. There will always be areas of great pain and difficulty in their lives both physically and emotionally beyond what might normally be expected. No one casually meeting them would ever suspect the parents of the abused children had gone through such an ordeal. Yet the impact ofthe abuse remains on all of us. It has changed the fundamental worldview for each of us and for our sons-in-law. No one in our family is active in the church. Twenty years ago, I did not believe any event could so alter our family’s religious life.
A few weeks ago I saw someone dissing Fiona Barnett because they read that long and mostly irrelevant document that went around a few years ago. I forget even what it is called. I may look it out later but my concern is to get Fiona’s rebuttal out.
If that document was what you had to go by, and didnt realise it was a hit piece and nonsense then you might believe it. I read the whole thing at the time. The quantity certainly was in inverse relationship to its quality.
Fiona quickly rebutted it with evidence to counter the rumour, innuendo and ignorance. Mind you there was not much to rebut. Here is a copy of Fiona’s post, reinstated from the archive.
Apologies for the spaces round the photos, it was the only way I could get the quality in reasonable time.
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Unnecessary Evidence
Owing to my article exposing high profile psychologist Bob Montgomery, I have come under an orchestrated series of threats and attacks. One of these attacks was launched by low-IQ cult scum who tried to discredit my testimony by saying my family are not related to Helen Holowczak. Their main source of ‘evidence’ is my grandmother’s gravestone which excludes the names of my father and his children. So, here a few documents to disprove their lies.
Firstly, my father Mitek Frank Holowczak was cut out of his mother’s will at the last minute by his two half-brothers. He went to court and won his share of Helen Holowczak’s house at 14 McAlister Avenue. The brothers told the courts Helen’s house sold for 500k, when in fact it sold for 600k. So my father was further done out of a third of the difference. Not surprisingly, my father and his seven children were not listed on Helen’s gravestone, since the two half-brothers are the ones who arranged the funeral and the headstone. Duh.
So, here is evidence that my father is Helen Holowczak’s son, that he resided at 14 McAlister Avenue Engadine, and that David and John Holowczak are indeed his half-brothers. (Click on the photos for a closer view.)
1. Here is my father’s Australian issued birth certificate. Helen lied to my father about who his real father was, and he first discovered the truth when he was 40 years old. My father subsequently obtained his original birth certificate from Germany which records Mitek Rylko as his father.
Note the Holowczak’s family address on my father’s Australian birth certificate is recorded as 14 McAlister Ave, and his mother is Helen (Helena) Holowczak, nee Milewska.
2. Here are photos of my father as a baby and toddler with his mother Helen, and pedophile step-father Peter Holowczak, in the refugee camps:
3. Here is a photo of my father seated with his mother Helen Holowczak, and half-brother David Holowczak at my childhood home in Terranora:
4. And here is a picture of my father visiting his real father, Mitek Rylko (after whom he was named), and one of his half-brothers, in Poland:
5. And here is a picture of me, my siblings and parents at my brother’s wedding in 1996 (I am bridesmaid), plus a photo of my father with his second half-brother in Poland:
6. And of course there are the emails and voice recordings John Holowczak got reprimanded for. He sent them to my IA editor David Donovan from his Wollongong Council work email system. Albeit as defamatory and creative as the latest attack on my credibility, in these my half-uncle admits to being related to me, names my family members, and admits to my telling him at a family meeting in 1991 that I was raped by Peter Holowczak as a child:
Next time, put your efforts into researching who John and David’s real fathers are, because – like John and David told my family and I during the meeting in 1991 – it wasn’t Peter Holowczak. At least my father found his real father. Mitek Rylko was a handsome, intelligent, respected member of the community, who didn’t rape and kill kids, and who fought for the resistance instead of slaughtering Jews in the concentration camps. His father was a violin teacher, and that’s where my father and siblings got our musical brilliance from. Here’s a photo of my real Jadek in uniform:
Research hint: Nana always named her kids after their fathers. Since John Holowczak is the only bald, ginger-headed member of the family, start looking in the direction of the Scottish dude named John Vicars who ‘supervised’ Helen at the Marrickville woollen mills. And as for David, Helen was going to name him ‘Romance’ – so good luck finding that one. Nana was a notorious Nazi whore who regularly attended those famous migrant orgies.
If only I weren’t related to the Holowczaks! As you can see surmise, my father inherited his high IQ from Mitek Rylko.
This is the last time I respond to this dumb shit. Anyone who attacks me has a vested interest in covering up ritual abuse and child sex trafficking.
For my many posts on Fiona see 2020 Sept 21cathy fox blog Fiona Barnetts Long Goodbye[99]
Updated 2022 Jul 13 – Here is the link to the very poorly researched hitpiece from an anonymous person or maybe even limited hangout and occultist and self publicist Cory Daniel / phoenix enigma – archive Fiona Barnett Hitpiece 2022 [6]
This was a special report called Satanism in the Utah Valley in The Daily Herald, Provo in 1988.
This was another tip from the Flying Cuttlefish [2] who ran stories about pizzagate and Jimmy Savile etc. until the Epstein “suicide” [2a] , and then created the 971 blog to handle just topics on child abuse, SRA, Epstein etc.
First listed are the Satanism in the Utah Valley pdfs, then the screenshots and links to the Daily Herald archives after that.
Cases mentioned not necessarily ritual- Allan B Hadfield, Arthur Gary Bishop, Eward Bennett in Lehi,
Tim Vuyk Salt Lake City County Attorney – denied ritual abuse, Robert Parrish – Utah County Attorney representative Randy Johnson – West Jordan Police Dept
Dr. Johanna F McManemin Salt Lake therapist Dr Laurence Pazder
Mike Warnke – ex satanist Ken Wooden authro
Article by Sharon Morrey
The day this was published was Oct 30 – the day before All Hallows Eve, Halloween the most important Satanic festival.
Make of that what you will.
Occultists believe the veil separating the earthly dimension is thinnest night on 31 October.
For more details on Halloween read this post Satanic Halloween[1]
Thankyou to Dianne [a pseudonym] who has bravely told her story of sexual abuse.
Dianne was born in the 1950s, and she grew up on an estate in a city in the North of England with her parents and siblings.
She is a victim of child sexual abuse. She has reported the crimes to [redacted] Police but did not get any help or support.
When Dianne was only 9, her parents would go out to the local pub “The [redacted]” and leave Dianne and her siblings in the house. One particular evening, during this time, three youths from the estate walked into the house. “The front door had not been locked and they had opened the front door and walked into the living room where me and my siblings were all sat.”
A similar estate, not the correct estate.
Dianne’s sister was 11, Dianne was 9 and her younger brother 6 or 7 years old. “The youths were abusive to my elder sister… They had taken her clothes off and I remember seeing her under the table in our living room”
“The youths took money that had been left on the sideboard. They tried to bribe my younger brother and said that they would give him some cigarettes, if he didn’t tell our parents that they had been in our house (uninvited) and stole the money!“
“My young brother told our parents when they came back from the pub. He wrongly assumed that we had invited them into the house and gave the two sisters a hard slap on the leg.My father went out to look for the youths, and came back after he had retrieved the money.“
Dianne told me that one of the youths was about 16/17 and has now died. He was the brother of a tv football commentator.
When Dianne was 12 years of age she was locked inside a house by a 16 year old youth by the name of [redacted, name and address supplied] who sexually abused her and attempted to rape her.
“He got two 12 year old girls to get me to go to his house….they were very close friends and were bullied… I was 12 year old and timid… they had told me that he was alone in the house as his parents were both at work, and they told me to knock on the side door …not the front door overlooking the [redacted] Road…(he must have told them this)“
“When I had knocked on the side door, he told me to enter. As soon as I entered, he had turned the key in the lock and I had immediately felt very scared and wanted to escape. However, I didn’t try in case he would use violence so I didn’t want to attempt to try and escape. The youth still lives in [redacted] city.
“When I was 13, I was raped by a 15 year old youth who was a pupil at the same secondary school… I had invited him to come to my home to listen to some records. I had told him that my parents would be out at the nearby pub. This youth took advantage of me and both youths have got away with what they did to me. He has moved to Ontario, Canada.“
“I attempted suicide at age of 14 years of age by swallowing lots of aspirins but the tablets had only made me feel nauseous and I vomited.“
“I didn’t get support and had suffered trauma, but these youths had made me feel like it was my fault!“
Aged 17I got a job in [address redacted] London aged 17 years as a live in Mothers helper, advertised in The Lady magazine…I began work there in 197x. My employer went on holiday for two weeks, with his second wife to [redacted, abroad] and left me to look after their two young children alone. I left my job at the end of 197x one year later.
Dianne later found this man was a lawyer defending a paedophile in a high profile Piccadilly child sex abuse case. The lawyer also defended another paedophile in a separate case.
Aged 18 I was easy prey for a man [name redacted] who was violent. I got into relationship when 18 in London which turned violent. He coerced me into having an abortion when I was pregnant aged 18 years… I went to the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS) who referred me to Streatham abortion clinic. I was asked what blood group I as and when I said Rhesus negative I was given a blood product called anti D serum. I was Hepatitis C +ve.
“After 3 years in this violent relationship in London, where I had been forced into having an abortion, I returned to live in my home city.”
I didn’t have any support and buried what happened deep inside I hadn’t had any help at all.
2020
I reported the sexual assaults to the [redacted] Police in 2020 and later they helped me to make a video recorded witness statement… and they said that they would investigate and pass the case to the Crown Prosecution Service. I was told by the police, that it’s up to CPS to decide if there is enough evidence to take case to court. There have been bad things reported in media about some [redacted] Police officers… “Operation [redacted]”
Dianne has not heard from the Police or CPS since.
IICSA
“I have now reported this to IICSA (Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse)
I contacted IICSA to tell them my story about being a victim of child sexual abuse. I was told to write my story in a booklet “The Truth Project”. I recently asked IICSA for copies of my correspondence. I received a large envelope from IICSA in which there is a summary of my story.
Whoever wrote a summary of my statement had rewritten my story. Someone at IICSA had written that I had gone “for help” at the house at [redacted]. I am so upset because this is not true.
What really happened was that at 12 years old I had been bullied by two 12 year old girls to go to the house and after I had knocked on the door and gone in, I was locked inside and the 16 year old sexually assaulted me and had attempted to rape me.
I sent an email to IICSA asking them who had retold my story and they won’t tell me. They merely told me that they would send me a copy of the amendment. I am not happy with how I have been treated.
Before I hadn’t been able to talk about what happened I had to lock away the memories and I am thinking about what happened more.”
Timeline
195x Dianne born
196x Dianne was 9 years of age when some youths walked into the house where she lived, stole money, took off her older sisters clothes ..she was 11 years…sister was 9 and younger brother 6 years
196x When Dianne was 12 years of age I was locked inside a house by a 16 year old youth and sexually assaulted (attempted rape)
196x When Dianne was 13, she was raped by a 15 year old youth who was a pupil at the same secondary school.
197x Dianne went to work in London as a Mothers helper at age of 17 years…
197x Man in relationship forced Dianne into an abortion and he was violent
This was sent to me by the flying cuttlefish[2] which is very timely, thankyou, as it will save me masses of time composing a post on Hamblin. This summary and comments gives a good view of what is happening.
David Leavitt, the current Utah County Attorney and named by two witnesses in ritual abuse was voted out. That makes it hopefully alot more difficult to him to avoid any possible justice coming his way. However he is still Attorney until about January I think.
The other recent development was his naming in possible child trafficking – adopting a native american child with maybe a quid pro quo of the tribe selling buffalo skins to Ukraine!!! “Kyiv is as much a home city for us as Provo or Salt Lake is,” he said!!!
The main current Utah ritual abuse investigation revolves around an case that was dropped but left open against Hamblin from 2012-14, involving abuse some time before that. It is in that case that Leavitt is named by two witnesses.
Leavitt for some reason appears keen on bringing up Arthur Knight, who is possibly rape suspect Rossi into the conversation whenever he can. Knight appears to have nothing directly to do with Utah/Mormon ritual abuse cases and Leavitt appears to be using him as a distraction and possibly trying to disparage any information Knight may give to authorities about Leavitt himself. The distraction worked for a while as when I was new to the case I wrote this mainly to cover a possible British angle to the case. 2022 Jun 21 cathyfoxblog UT2- Rapist Suspect linked to Mormon Ritual Abuse Scandal Still Delaying Extradition from Glasgow to US[UT42]
Wombaticus also covers a bit of that here, as well as the election and a useful timeline and much else. The following is cut and pasted and a poster quoting a previous one doesn’t come out particularly well here on the formatting so for clarity check the original link – 2022 Jun 25 Rigorous Intuition David Lee Hamblin / Utah SRA Case mostly written by Wombaticus Rex starting on Sat Jun 25, [1] or archive [1a]
David Lee Hamblin / Utah SRA Case
A lot to unpack here.
I’m surprised there hasn’t been any discussion of this case here yet, but I’ve also been holding off on starting a thread for weeks now. Like a lot of curious cats around this beautiful country, I was first hipped to this strange saga when one David Okerlund Leavitt, County Attorney for Utah County, Utah and running for a contested re-election, held a perhaps inadvisable press conference to assure all & sundry that he was not, in fact, a child-molesting cannibal. That was Wednesday, June 1st.
He referred to a 151 page document that outlined accusations of an abuse / CSAM ring involving over a dozen families, claimed it was an “outlandish” “pack of lies,” and insinuated it was only being brought up because of a fugitive from a 2008 rape charge in Utah who faked his own death. This is, I regret, only the very beginning.
However, after many unpleasant evenings and days of working the angles and following leads, there is without question something concrete here, and that is the case of David Lee Hamblin, licensed clinical psychologist, fake peyote church medicine man, and serial abuser creepshow.
The personage of Nicholas Alahverdian aka Nicholas Rossi aka “Arthur Knight” is a thread unto himself but quite tangential to this story, despite his daily efforts to make himself the center of it. His biography has some very curious details, one of which involves Boys Town in Nebraska, but I am unable to verify a word of it.
Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith has been clear all along that the case his department is currently investigating is focused on Hamblin, not allegations of a larger cult / abuse ring. The case is driven not by the statements from Hamblin’s daughters, filed in 2012, but by the statement from Brett Bluth. I believe but cannot confirm that statement is from 2013, and was later corroborated by a 2015 call from another victim of Hamblin, who described a very similar M.O., and was participating in Hamblin’s peyote-based “therapy” group.
The allegations against Hamblin are a contradictory spectrum. Abuse charges involving his daughters were initially filed in 2000, while Hamblin and his then-wife, Roselle Anderson, were going through a protracted and contested divorce. While these statements are horrific, detailing years of abuse beginning in infancy, they do not include any mention of a larger abuse network, and do not identify Roselle Anderson as a perpetrator.
The 2012 charges are much different, outlining the familiar contours of a multi-family, inter-generational, Satanic Ritual Abuse network. Roselle Anderson is identified as a (particularly sadistic) perpetrator along with her parents. Many other prominent Provo area families are also mentioned, with surprisingly few redactions along the way since many of them are now deceased. Many atrocities and murders are described along the way.
Then there is the Brett Bluth material: he was referred to Hamblin by his Bishop, Conrad Cotfredson of the Alpine stake. He was fighting with the realization he was homosexual and wanted an alternative to “conversion therapy.” He states that Hamblin insisted 1) he was being successfully hypnotized (Bluth does not believe this) and 2) during these inducted trance states, he related a detailed story of being raised in a Satanic Ritual Abuse cult.
This escalated until Hamblin was sexually assaulting Bluth, in his office, in order to “heal” him. This pattern of abuse is corroborated by the 2015 statement from the peyote group caller, and according to police reports, corroborated by additional witnesses there are (to my knowledge) no FOIA releases or documentation for.
While it may seem at first glance that all these different narratives cannot be true, from a strategic perspective, there is a clear utility in abusing the client-therapist power dynamic to seed false SRA allegations while you yourself are actively engaged in actual SRA activity. That said, I personally remain agnostic on the overall murky landscape here, but have become certain there’s definitely something strange afoot in Zion.
A couple final points. I have multiple documents going and I’m wrapping up the first draft of a timeline, but I’m not trying to write an essay here, just start a thread.
1. LDS has been dealing with SRA allegations for decades, some of which are credible, and a disturbing number of those credible cases overlap with the same locations and families. All of the many problems that plague SRA cases apply here. At a minimum, though, it is clear that the Mormon hierarchy has had a system set up for decades now in order to cover up child abuse cases “in house” rather than report felony abuse to law enforcement. So at a minimum, then, this is what Leavitt is responding to: the need to protect one of the wealthiest and most powerful institutions in the United States from billions upon billions of dollars of litigation.
2. David Leavitt is likely a State Dept / CIA spook who has been involved with ongoing operations in Ukraine. He runs a nonprofit charity front, The Leavitt Institute for International Development (site), in cooperation with the State Department’s Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL). His work brought him to Ukraine just before the Orange Revolution, where his office overlooked Independence Square. He later had to leave in a rush. He was also in a rush to get to his apartment in Kyiv to “secure documents” and “collect some personal effects” as the latest conflict with Russia broke out. Then he was looking to find 500 familieson behalf of an anonymous donor to get out of Ukraine and into the United States. Just regular County Attorney things.
3. David Leavitt’s older brother Michael was Governor of Utah for three terms, as well as a Bush admin appointee and a confidant to the Romney family and campaign.
4. The history of “peyote churches” in the Southwest is packed with weird shit, cult fronts, intelligence assets, and the usual cornucopia of organized crime activity that takes advantage of The Rez no matter what the tribe. In this specific case, Hamblin’s long-standing access to peyote, and track record of using it to manipulate others, needs to be considered in connection with the more lurid and occult aspects of the victim testimony.
5. Finally, Hamblin’s wife indicated in a statement to the court that she found out David Hamblin led a parallel life, complete with wives, in the Manti polygamy abuse network run by James Harmson, the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ Saints of the Last Days. Harmson is also indicated as a cult perpetrator in the 2012 era testimony of Hamblin’s daughters. I have not had the time yet to engage with the abundant material surrounding this monster or his, uh, “church” yet.
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2. David Leavitt is likely a State Dept / CIA spook who has been involved with ongoing operations in Ukraine. He runs a nonprofit charity front, The Leavitt Institute for International Development (site), in cooperation with the State Department’s Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL). His work brought him to Ukraine just before the Orange Revolution, where his office overlooked Independence Square. He later had to leave in a rush. He was also in a rush to get to his apartment in Kyiv to “secure documents” and “collect some personal effects” as the latest conflict with Russia broke out. Then he was looking to find 500 familieson behalf of an anonymous donor to get out of Ukraine and into the United States. Just regular County Attorney things.
I am consistently distracted by how bizarre it was to hold a press conference at all. Unsure whether Leavitt has difficulty distinguishing himself from his office or whether it was a very deliberate bid to interfere with an ongoing investigation. Perhaps a mix of both.
Leavitt has also been publicly feuding with a local reporter, Adam Herbets of FOX 13, even admonishing him with a stern finger during his June 1st press conference. The arrogance of this behavior is every bit as striking as the unprofessional conduct aspects.
Speaking of glib arrogance: I was mistaken about the “into the United States” aspect of his current mission on behalf of an anonymous donor. The 500 families in question will not be leaving Ukraine, just receiving “support for an entire year.”
UTAH COUNTY, Utah — Utah County Attorney David Leavitt is heading to Ukraine to help an anonymous donor select 500 families to support for an entire year.
“He wants to be generous, but he doesn’t necessarily want the credit for it,” Leavitt said.
Finding 500 families to support To help with this generous donation, Leavitt will be on the ground in Ukraine trying to identify those 500 families. Once the families are identified, Leavitt says Visa gift cards will be provided to each family for immediate financial assistance until bank accounts can be set up.
“Really what we’re trying to do is humanize what’s going on in people’s lives,” he said.
Leavitt is more than familiar with the war-torn country, it’s almost a home away from home of sorts for Leavitt and his wife. For 14 years (2004 to 2018), they worked in legal reform efforts in Ukraine as part of The Leavitt Institute for International Development.
“Our role was to teach the jury trial and American criminal law in 35 law schools throughout Ukraine and Moldova,” Leavitt said.
During their time there, the Leavitts made many friends, and even have a home there.
“Kyiv is as much a home city for us as Provo or Salt Lake is,” he said.
Second trip to Ukraine This is the second trip to Ukraine this year for Leavitt. He says he was there just before the Russian invasion to take care of some personal family issues, regarding their home.
“And now we’re going back to help our friends and others who are refugees,” Leavitt said.
The process of identifying the families that will be supported figures to be a huge undertaking.
“We are taking applications and hearing stories and trying to identify people who have lost everything,” he said.
Getting to Ukraine won’t be easy, however. Leavitt says he will first fly from Salt Lake City to Amsterdam. From there, he will fly to Romania, and will travel by ground the rest of the way into Ukraine.
As I mentioned, Leavitt has done the Amsterdam thing quite recently:
Utah County Attorney David Leavitt makes quick exit out of Ukraine, but is now stuck in Amsterdam with COVID-19
Jessica Miller – Jan 26
When Utah County Attorney David Leavitt decided to go to Ukraine earlier this week to collect documents from his Kyiv apartment, he’d planned for several contingencies in case the city was invaded by the Russian military.
He had extra cash in case the internet went down and the ATMs didn’t work. He’d also rented a car, deciding it safest to not rely on public transportation in case the trains stopped running.
But something unexpected happened that halted what was supposed to be a quick trip to Ukraine to gather a few personal items: Leavitt is stuck in Amsterdam after he tested positive for COVID-19.
It’s the second time Leavitt has been ill with the coronavirus.
Leavitt, who taught in Ukraine with the American Bar Association for more than a decade, has owned an apartment in Kyiv for several years. With news of a threat of a Russian invasion, Leavitt said in an interview on Wednesday that he’d booked the hasty trip to Ukraine to get paperwork proving ownership of his apartment and to collect some personal effects.
“We flew from Salt Lake to Amsterdam and Amsterdam to Kiev,” he said Wednesday, “and spent 24 hours there and got things taken care of then visited with some close friends of ours.”
Leavitt jumped on the nCoV bandwagon back in April 2020 during his failed campaign for Utah Attorney General
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Omitting a lot of personal details, especially on his family, because I don’t want to cause any problems for the board. All report number references are to the FOIA/GRAMA source documents. I’m very curious to find out more about when and why Hamblin and his family were in New York state.
Current Hamblin timeline:
1987 – January – Hamblin’s dissertation “SENSITIVITY TO THERAPIST VALUES, VALUE CONVERGENCE AND OUTCOME IN GROUP COGNITIVE THERAPY”
1987 – DH graduates from University of Arizona
1988 – July 11 – DH licensed as psychologist – state of New York
1989 – January 31 – Licensed as psychologist – no. 115145-2501 – state of Utah
1993 – August 21 – Sterling Van Wagenen calls police to confess to fondling incident on August 15th. States he is in therapy with David Hamblin in Provo.
1994 – Brett Bluth becomes a client of David Hamblin at the referral of Bishop Conrad Cotfredson in Alpine, Utah
1995 – May – “under pressure from increased publicity and mounting legal problems, the LDS Church announced a toll-free phone number for reporting child abuse directly to church headquarters, 1-800- 453-3860, ext. 1911”
1996 – Hamblin refers Brett Bluth to peyote ceremonies
1998 – Bluth confronts Hamblin in his office with help from his father and Joe Bennion
1998 – Roselle Hamblin alleges at least two separate domestic assaults by DH
1998 – Roselle Hamblin alleges both daughters given peyote (“paote”) in July
1999-2001 – Utah property records list his address as 280 E 2200 NORTH – PROVO
1999 – January – Arrested (why? poaching?) – Sanpete County Jail
1999 – June 13 – incident where Rosalie got her daughters to go into Hamblin’s house through an open window to find “Indian items” he was forbidden from having. They located eagle feathers and a peyote button and called police and a wildlife officer, “Dave Hintze”
1999 – October – loses license – per Utah County paper The Daily Herald – “Dr. Hamblin’s license to practice was revoked for having intimate relations with several patients during clinical therapeutic sessions, and claiming it was therapeutic,” said Lauri Arensmeys, operational manager for the Utah Division of Occupational and Professional Licensing.
1999 – November 12 – police called because Hamblin was violating civil order to ask daughters what Roselle and her attorney were planning re: ongoing divorce
1999 – December – Arrested (why? poaching?) – Juab County Jail – led police on a chase, was driving a borrowed Lexus
2000 – April – sexual abuse charges file by daughter(s?) via Roselle to Provo City PD
2000 – July 31 – Rosalie speaks with victims advocate Sheree Svensson
2000 – October 21 – shows up in Salt Lake Tribune in story about Peyote Church; poaching; divorce; criminal charges. “Medicine Man Path Lined With Divorce, Criminal Charges for LDS Psychologist”
2000 – October 23 – (Utah?) psychologist license expires
2001 – June 8th – preliminary hearing for peyote possession case from June 13, 1999 incident – Hamblin pleads Not Guilty
2001 – Detective Vanwagoner talks to Deputy Attorney John Allan – will not prosecute due to inconsistent statements
2002-2006 – Utah property records list Hamblin as a deed holder for 4639 W BROOKRIDGE LA – AMERICAN FORK
2002 – June 28 – Report 200205893. Hamblin daughter, redacted, curfew violation, reported by Rose. 3820 LITTLEROCK LN.
2002 – August 24 – Report 200207980. Hamblin daughter, redacted, runaway reported by Rose, unauthorized use of Rose’s vehicle. 1994 GMC SUBURBAN. 3820 LITTLEROCK LN.
2003 – April 28 – Report 200303917. Hamblin daughter attempted to run over Rose in driveway due to dispute over taking vehicle, this time an ’86 BMW. Blocked into driveway by father Richard Anderson. Given a court date May 14th.
2003 – John Allan writes Vanwagoner again because he “reviewed the case because of a civil hearing in the matter” – was this a suit by Rosalie?
2004 – July 8 – all Hamblin peyote charges dismissed per Utah Supreme Court
2004 – November 2 – registered to vote as a Republican in Utah County
2005 – James Mooney arrested (again?), Hamblin quotes in papers as “a friend of the Mooneys and a spiritual leader of Oklevueha EarthWalks”
2006 – Hamblin publishes “The Righteous Branch”
2006 – March 7 – quoted as “spokesman” for Oklevueha Earthwalks Native American Church in Salt Lake Tribune
2007 – Roselle Anderson becomes Roselle Stevenson by marriage for Ford L. Stevenson (b. 1944)
2007 – June 10 – Hamblin visits Rachel Talley home as “Medicine Man” to give a talk about “The Righteous Branch” to an informal group
2011 – June 2 – incorporates TAHTEYA TOPA (FOUR WINDS) NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH with Eldon Talley and Wayne Jones Hintze
2011 – Hamblin publishes “Mary and the Book of Mormon”
2011 – report 2011001257. Roselle Anderson files report of criminal non-support vs. David Hamblin. Mentions his website, “redpath.org” (Note: incorrect URL) Includes a “To Whom It May Concern” narrative from Rose.
2012 – January 20 – report 12PR22590. Summarizes a dozen reports of sexual abuse filed with Provo PD, all filed on this date
2012 – January 20 – report 2012000485. Narrative of officers conducting victim interviews and taking statements.
2012 – September 2nd – Nusiance call, report 12PR12749, Hamblin complaining about loud neighbor. 541 E 500 NORTH ST.
2012 – October 25 – Robert L. Hamblin dies
2012 – December 13 – report 12PR21723, Hamblin arrested on $750,000 felony warrant. 541 E 500 NORTH ST.
2012 – December – Hamblin formally charged with dozens of counts regarding children
2013 – January – Bluth contacts DA office with offer to help. “the attorney on this case returns my calls and we are unable to connect”
2013 – January 14-15 – NY Board of Regents: “David L. Hamblin; Provo, UT 84604; Lic. No. 009519; Cal. No. 26467; Application to surrender license granted. Summary: Licensee did not contest the charge of having been found guilty of professional misconduct in the State of Utah.”
2013 – February 21 – report 13PR04248, report 13PR04835. Additional charges filed against Hamblin, this time including an extensive evidence log. Brett Bluth is named as a witness. Complaintant middle names “HELENA WINTERS,” first and last redacted.
2013 – February 22-26 – odd confrontations with “Judith or Judy Harding” and Rosie Stevenson x Ford Stevenson over release of therapy records for the daughters. Reads like Rose / Rosie / Roselle wanted to know the full extent of the accusations against her.
2013 – September 11 – Hamblin is granted deed for his father’s condo at 541 E 500 N APT 11 from conservators Susan Hamblin Christensen and David Lee Christensen.
2014-2016 – Utah property records list Hamblin as deed holder for 541 E 500 NORTH – PROVO, inherited from his father. This is later tranferred to TAHTEYA TOPA (FOUR WINDS) NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH.
2014 – March – Hamblin charges dismissed – “prosecution is still having difficulty getting evidence it needs”
2015 – April 28 – report 15PR10122. Janell Aiken Lorenz reports “suspicious” behavior by Hamblin in depth based on his past accusations and current behavior in peyote “therapy” community. Extensive and important corroboration for DH patterns of abuse.
2016 – August 6th – report 16PR2247. Hamblin calls PD to complain about his trailer being ticketed while on private property. 3300 N UNIVERSITY AVE.
2018 – February 18 – report 18PR04081. Hamblin calls to complain about a loud party. 541 E 500 NORTH ST.
2018 – June 27 – report 18PR16125. Hamblin calls to report a hit and run car accident at the intersection outside his apt. 541 E 500 NORTH ST.
2019 – October 10 – report . Hamblin calls to report his car stolen. WHI 1999 SUBA LEGACY. Recovered Oct. 16th in West Valley City. 541 E 500 NORTH ST.
2021 – April – Utah County Sheriffs begin investigation – timespan 1990-2010 – “portions of these allegations have been confirmed”
2022 – February 5th – report 22PR02567. Traffic accident. Hamblin address still 541 E 500 NORTH ST. 2011 White Subaru Outback vs. 2011 Lexus CT. Unclear if Hamblin was driving but he reported the accident.
2022 – May 31st – Utah County Sheriffs issue public appeal for help, witnesses. Investigation spans three counties: Utah, Juab, and Sanpete, location of the Manti abuse network.
2022 – June 1st – David O. Leavitt hosts inadvisable press conference to deny ritual abuse and cannibalism after reading “Victim Statement #3” – references it during his speech – also: “I prosecuted the therapist, in Juab county, for poaching a deer. He pled guilty … he poached a deer to use for ritualistic purposes.” “When I was a law student, this therapist was my Elders Quorum President in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He was my neighbor. I had a family connection. When his wife … learned … of … whatever he was doing, she divorced him, and I testified at that divorce hearing.” “Let me be clear. When the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, for whom I do not speak, found out about … this person’s conduct, they kicked him out. Right? I mean, there is nothing, there is no … organized … ring. Of abuse. It was debunked.”
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Thank you for doing this essential work digging and summarizing, WR. I regret that I haven’t yet been able to do much of a deep dive myself; usually I’d be on top of such a case but there are too many other rabbit holes I’m stuck in at the moment. This is definitely something I hope to come back to and go over a lot more thoroughly.
As a general overview of my thoughts, this certainly fits how SRA cases tend to be clear as mud with all the evolving/changing stories and false memory allegations. The evolution of an intra-family case involving just Hamblin to a wider network of abusers that even includes some of the people (e.g. ex-wife Roselle Anderson) who were supposedly trying to hold Hamblin accountable is a pattern I’ve seen before. A notable example, which I’ve been investigating recently, is the story of Nancy Krebs in California.
Initially (in 1979), in her teen years, she only accused her stepfather’s brother Macky Boykin (and Macky’s children whom he made participate). Her mother Gwen and stepfather Tom Boykin along with the family appeared to be on her side (though the court records I have suggest that Boykin family members were trying to undermine the case against Macky behind the scenes), and Macky pleaded guilty, albeit with a suspended sentence and probation. Later on into the case, Nancy was also stating that her sister Shirley (a future Pentagon finance person at various AF bases including in Germany) had been abused by Macky too, and that Macky had others in the local area participate in the abuse. Later, during the 90s, she went into therapy and ended up describing a much larger RA practice against her that her mother Gwen was complicit in. Macky was a key “handler” of hers, but the network also included many others, such as Fleet White Sr., a prominent oilman who was the godfather to Gwen and the father of JonBenet Ramsey’s father’s best friend Fleet White. It was people like the Whites — and “Uncle Johnny”, who Nancy identified as JonBenet Ramsey’s father John Ramsey — who were the true ringleaders. Connections were even drawn, bizarrely enough, to the Manson case (and the timing fits, with Nancy born in 1962): Nancy claimed that her mother, purportedly a friend of the Manson Family, once took her out to their ranch in Death Valley, and that her abusers had at one point showed her items taken from the LaBianca home in order to intimidate her.
Notwithstanding the seemingly inconsistent story that many “skeptics” would say has conveniently evolved over time, there is corroboration for the later claims about the Whites. Among other things, the Whites were independently connected to another pedophile ring in the Houston area before Nancy even came forward, and Nancy was made as a toddler to model for a Pennzoil (i.e. the successor to Bush Sr.’s Zapata) calendar which validates the strange oil industry ties to this stuff. Plus, what are the odds that she would be related to and accuse a family (the Whites) that later turns up in one of the most prominent child murder/pedophile cases of the century?
Recovered memories of sexual abuse are undoubtedly real, and sometimes these additional memories can reveal that those previously seen as helpers were actually abusers, who may have opportunistically tried to make one patsy take the fall. That’s not even getting into the possibility of deliberate screen memories being placed, which is something I have heard about as well. My friend John Brisson (of We’ve Read the Documents) investigated child abuse at the Glendale Montessori school in Stuart FL involving James Toward, and was told about how victims were literally being programmed by a corrupt therapist to all tell an identical and false story of RA, likely to discredit their real experiences. That notion of having SRA stories implanted sounds a lot like what Hamblin was apparently doing to Brett Bluth. by Marionumber1
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Thank you for the background, much appreciated.
In the meantime, I’d better wrap up my Leavitt timeline because he just got a bomb dropped on his ass by FOX13 … if he hated Adam Herbets before, he’s gonna be nursing a blood atonement sized grudge now. Pretty unlikely he’s going to win his re-election, and he may even drop out, but my sense of his character precludes that kind of humility or self-awareness. (It’s funny how much Leavitt’s stare on camera is 100% of the reason I initially concluded there was something to this.)
FOX 13 Investigates: Video raises questions about Utah Co. Attorney’s adoption of Native American child The video was entered into evidence as part of a human trafficking investigation into David Leavitt
The FOX 13 Investigates team has obtained a video of Utah County Attorney David Leavitt discussing his “strategy” to adopt a Native American baby, allegedly taking advantage of his political influence to overcome a federal law designed to protect Native American children from being adopted by non-Native families.
The video was recorded by a documentarian in 2020. It has since been submitted to Homeland Security Investigations as part of a criminal human trafficking investigation.
The 17-minute clip first shows Leavitt expressing his struggle with the decision whether to pursue the adoption.
Leavitt went on to explain how he tried to broker a deal with the Northern Cheyenne Tribe in Montana, offering them the ability to export buffalo to Ukraine.
Although he is not blood-related to the child, the little girl was considered Leavitt’s step-foster-great niece.
“I’m thinking to myself, ‘How in the world am I going to do this?’” Leavitt described. “Finally, this strategy comes into my head, and if you’ve got five minutes, I’ll tell you the story.”
The “strategy,” as Leavitt described, involved boarding a plane to Montana in 2017. Upon arrival, Leavitt said he walked onto the reservation for an unscheduled meeting with the president of the Northern Cheyenne Tribe.
FOX 13 News has confirmed the tribal president at the time was Lawrence Jace Killsback.
“And I say to him, ‘I’m here for two reasons,’” Leavitt described. “I said, ‘I’m here to tell you the second reason first, but I’ll tell you the first reason second – but before I tell you the second reason, I’ll tell you a story.’” Leavitt’s story touched on the importance of family. Then it highlighted his close friendship with former Ukranian president Victor Yuschenko.
“Victor and I have this goal of introducing buffalo into western Ukraine,” Leavitt recounted, “and you’re a sovereign nation, and you have a buffalo herd, and Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and it doesn’t have a buffalo herd, but it wants one, and so I’m here to see if we can form a bilateral agreement between the people of the Northern Cheyenne and the people of Ukraine to introduce buffalo to western Ukraine.”
“At that point, (Killsback) was all ears,” Leavitt continued. “And I said, ‘That’s the second reason why I’m here. The first reason why I’m here is this. We want to adopt one of your people.’”
Leavitt said Killsback gave his blessing, but Tribal Social Services did not.
“Tribal Social Services looked at us and said, ‘We’re not giving you this baby,’” Leavitt said. “I just said, ‘You know what? You are shameless.’
I just let her have it with both barrels… There’s such a prejudice in the Native community about a non-Native adopting a Native.”
As a last-ditch effort, Leavitt said he went back to the tribal president for help.
“(Killsback) said, ‘Listen, the Leavitts are friends of the tribe… They’re assets to the tribe for more than just this,’” Leavitt said. “I left, and five minutes later the phone rang and it was the social worker saying, ‘I think I’ve figured out a way to get this child to you.’”
Leavitt said he took home the child that same day in 2017.
Killsback declined to comment. At the time of the 2020 interview, he was in prison for fraud in an unrelated case.
After the child’s adoption, Tribal President Jace Killsback served time in prison for an unrelated case.
I spoke with him briefly on the phone. So far, he has chosen not to comment on the claims made by Leavitt.
Stephanie Benally, a Native American specialist for Utah Foster Care, said the adoption of any Native American child raises questions about the Indian Child Welfare Act.
“It’s best for the Native children to remain in Native communities,” Benally said. “Not every child needs to grow up in the city, green grass, white picket fence house.”
Benally explained the cultural and historical significance of the Indian Child Welfare Act, which was passed in 1978 in order to protect Native American children from being adopted by outsiders.
“It’s federal legislation to protect the Native children and Native families to keep them together,” Benally said. “Prior to the act, 25-35 percent of Native children were removed from their home and placed in non-Native homes.”
When asked about the child’s relationship to Leavitt as a “step-foster-great niece,” Benally said that the designation of “family” is up to the tribe, even if not related by blood.
“Let me put it this way: I would like our elected officials to be servants of the public, and not self-serving.”
According to court documents obtained by FOX 13 News, the child’s biological mother willingly gave up her parental rights, but the biological father did not.
The court ultimately ruled in Leavitt’s favor, approving the adoption.
Linda F. Smith – a member of the Utah State Bar Ethics Advisory Opinion Committee and former ethics professor at the University of Utah – agreed to review the video.
“Let me put it this way: I would like our elected officials to be servants of the public, and not self-serving,” Smith said. “He was clearly politicking to get his way… It was a little smarmy way to talk somebody into letting you adopt a child that might otherwise be better raised by the tribe.”
Leavitt is the same county attorney who named himself as the subject of a ritualistic child sex abuse investigation. Last month, he held a press conference to announce he is not a murderer, a cannibal, or an abuser.
Then he accused Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith of playing politics shortly before the primary election.
The Utah County Sheriff’s Office did not name Leavitt as a subject, even after the press conference.
“This is not a politically motivated investigation,” the sheriff insisted at his own press conference. “We won’t be intimidated by Mr. Leavitt, by his attempts to derail our investigation… We do not discuss the names of victims, and we do not discuss the names of suspects.”
Noel Engels, a former analyst with Homeland Security Investigations, confirmed his team had been investigating sexual allegations against Leavitt for several years.
Then, in 2020, Engels received a copy of the video. HSI added the video to the case file, investigating Leavitt on suspicion of human trafficking.
“It’s literally our job to make sure children are safe,” Engels said. “Is it disturbing? Yeah, it is. You have to kind of separate that and not let emotions affect your investigation at all.”
Five months after receiving the video, documents show Engels and his team were removed from the case.
The HSI case against Leavitt was eventually reassigned.
Engels has since filed a whistleblower complaint and received a letter from the United States Office of Special Counsel in response.
“You alleged that HSI improperly terminated an investigation into allegations involving current Utah County Attorney David O. Leavitt,” wrote attorney John U. Young. “We emphasize that, while (Office of Special Counsel) has found a substantial likelihood of wrongdoing based on the information you submitted in support of your allegations, our referral to the Secretary for investigation is not a final determination that the allegations are substantiated.”
“This remains an open matter under investigation until the agency’s final report is forwarded to the President and Congress.”
FOX 13 News reached out to Leavitt for an explanation last week.
According to his spokesperson, “Mr. Leavitt would be happy to tell the entire story.”
More than 72 hours later, the spokesperson later clarified that Leavitt is not able to meet until after the primary election.
“Anything related to what you’ve brought up has no bearing on his performance as the Utah County Attorney and is not relevant,” she wrote.
Note that David O. Leavitt is running as a Republican in the County Attorney race against two other Republican candidates, Jeff Gray and Adam Pomeroy. (Presumably Gray is the bigger threat since that’s who Leavitt is sparring with, in terms of his campaign emails and press conferences, about his allegations.) That primary is today, June 28th, and will be a big test of whether or not Leavitt remains a protected asset or gets cut loose. The Ukraine connections make me suspect the former but I hope for the latter.
Correction: Adam Pomeroy formally withdrew on June 14th to endorse Jeff Gray, emphasizing the need to remove Leavitt from office.
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Per the official Utah County results, David O. Leavitt has lost the primary by a big margin: Jeff Gray took 44,688 votes for a 73% sweep. Things should start moving quickly from here.
Leavitt has had a lot of turnover in administration (one recent testimonial in Deseret claimed “I’m the 25th to leave”) so it will be interesting to see how much latitude Hamblin has to abuse his power and cover his ass. He is leaving office as the subject of both a state and federal investigation, but of course, still has a lot of connections and leverage to lean on.
He’ll be calling into the local news radio product in the next hour so it will be interesting to hear what frame will be.
“This is disturbing to me on a really deep level, not for me personally because this really isn’t about me.”
Says America is heading towards a police state, emphasizes the importance of jury trial vs. plea bargains.
Actually says “We live in a society.” Followed by: “where people can m-, can, can fabricate lies out of whole cloth. Advance them on social media. Perpetuate them through um, um, you know, various media outlets that are just looking for a, a daily story … and people will believe them! And, and, um. You know. What we, I think what we see in this race … is, is, a new low in Utah politics, because I don’t believe that there’s been a race in my memory, in any part of Utah, that has stooped to such vicious lows and, and incredible lies, in order to get someone out of office.”
Thread starts – 2022 Jun 25 Rigorous Intuition David Lee Hamblin / Utah SRA Case mostly written by Wombaticus Rex starting on Sat Jun 25, [1]
These are the snippets about the Mormons from various books from survivors and writers about child abuse and ritual abuse collated together so that people can read all the parts about Mormons in one place. The books are…
I could add a lot of thoughts but they maybe best in future articles. I will pick out this from Svali
The Mormons affiliated [to the illuminati] years ago, in a meeting with the Illuminati leadershop in the 1950’s Svali Speaks [6]
Add to that information to the piece from Jessie who said that the Mormons were one of the 5 child trafficking networks of the illuminati. The Five Child Trafficking Networks and Structure of the Illuminati [8]
Add that to the mountain of evidence about child abuse, ritual abuse and mind control that has been published, including the following…
Trance formation of America – Cathy O’Brien [1] article [2b]
Deprogramwiki Fritz Springmeier Bloodlines of the Illuminati[7a]
Deprogramwiki Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave[7b]
Deprogramwiki Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler Deeper Insights Into the Illuminati Formula[7c]
Others on Deprogramwiki Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler [7]
Lifting the Wool An Illuminati Primer[4]Lifting the Wool website[4b]Book Downloadpdf [4c]
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This is a free download of Lifting the Wool’s excellent book. There is noone else that reads and watches so much and connects the dots on the Illuminati, never mind doing it so well.
Lifting the Wool An Illuminati Primer[4]Lifting the Wool website[4b]Book Downloadpdf [4c]
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Mormons– The LDS church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) is also an infiltrated institution. This assertion has angered many LDS members, who are good people. Again, I 102 want to remind you that being listed in this section is not a condemnation of the members of this church or any other infiltrated church or organization. It is by design that the Luciferians that infiltrate an organization do so secretly, and do not let the average member know that they are there, or that they are using their facilities for nefarious purposes. Unlike the Catholic church, where we are not sure of the origins or time frame of the Luciferian infiltration, the origins of the LDS church are clearer, and the connections with the occult are found in the very beginnings of the church’s founding. Joseph Smith, the founder of the group, saw an angel named Moroni, found gold tablets, and established the LDS church based on his spiritual experiences, or so the story goes. Joseph Smith was also a Freemason, and the ‘angel’ Moroni has been described by some as a demon or fallen angel, not a good angel. Cisco calls Moroni a “ruling demon.”(FS 03) There are a number of individuals who stress how important it is to ‘test’ the spirits, as Lucifer and his demons can take on the appearance of angels of light. (GP03, ARA 031, FS04) Asking them if they are a servant of God and Jesus Christ and then watching or listening to their response is one way to test a spiritual entity’s loyalties, whether they come to you in a dream, a vision or a nightmare…if they are a negative spirit their cover will dissolve and you will see them for what they are, and if they are not they will declare their loyalty to God. I haven’t tried this myself, and I suspect that Joseph Smith didn’t either. If he had, the LDS church might not exist today in its present form. Terry Chateau asserts that the LDS church is mired in Freemasonry. In addition to Joseph Smith being a 103 Freemason, so were the first five presidents of the church. In fact, so many of the founders and early church leaders were Freemasons, it prompted an entire book by Terry Chateau titled The Mormon Church and Freemasonry. He says in that book that “Mormonism and Freemasonry are so intimately interwoven and interrelated that the two can never be dissociated.” Joseph Smith’s father, Joseph Smith Sr., and Joseph’s 3 brothers Hyrum, Samuel and William were also Freemasons. The second church president Brigham Young, 3rd church president John Taylor, and 4th and 5th church presidents Wilford Woodruff and Lorenzo Snow were all Freemasons, as well. Chateau says, “practically every member of the hierarchy was or became a Mason shortly after the Prophet (Joseph Smith) was raised to the degree of Master Mason.” (TC 01) Joseph must have been something of a Masonic prodigy, because he received his Masonic first degree on March 15, 1842, and exactly one day later blasted straight through the second degree and was awarded the third degree of Master Mason. (ZZ 17) Since the inception of the LDS church in about 1830 there has been a rough relationship between the Masonic organization and the LDS Church. Their association has been at times close, and at other times very distant. It’s suggested by some that the public split that the two institutions had early in church history just before the group that founded the church moved to Utah might have been for show. It certainly wasn’t the last of the interest of the church in being associated with the Masons, as after the move to Utah Brigham Young “contacted the chiefs of Freemasonry in England and proposed that Mormonism be granted a public charter to become its own Masonic Rite. The hierarchy told him no.” (FS 02) 104 There was a stretch of time where the church members were (officially) prevented from being members of a Masonic Lodge. This ended in 1984, when the Grand Lodge of Utah officially allowed Mormons to be Masons once again. (TC 01) Whether Mormons that become Masons do so at the lower-ranking “club membership” levels, or whether they climb in the ranks to become Lucifer-worshipping Masons is not known by this author. I can only guess that some do climb, and some do not, based on the insider information coming from the escaped Brotherhood Illuminati members who have outed some of the sinister connections between the LDS church and what they do for the Illuminati. In Bloodlines of the Illuminati, Fritz Springmeier discusses the ancestral connections between Mormons and the 13 Illuminati bloodlines. According to his research, all of the top Mormon leadership are descendants of the Merovingians, one of the most important of the Illuminati families. Interestingly, the bee symbol used ubiquitously by the Mormon church is also the family symbol of the Merovingian family (as well as being a masonic symbol). Fritz asserts that the church’s 2nd president Brigham Young might also have Collins and Wheeler bloodline ties, as well, although those, at the time of writing the book had not been firmly established. (FS 02) One descendant of Joseph Smith Jr. told Fritz that “her family is indeed a Satanic bloodline,” and a different source told Fritz that a breakout group of the Satanic Council, the Council of 13, ran instructions to the Mormon First Presidency, and that he/she was the one who was the actual person couriering the instructions. (FS 02) 105 Fritz also asserts that “Mormonism is closer to Satanism than it is to Christianity”, citing sealing rituals as one piece of evidence for this. “One of the most important things in Satanism is sealing. Everything is sealed.” Sealing is rarely talked about in any other religious context, but when reading about Mormonism, “one begins hearing about sealing again.” “Mormon men and women are sealed to each other in the Mormon Temple marriages. The early Mormons were sealed to many spouses. The Mormon sealing is very similar to what is done in witchcraft called hand fasting, and it is also similar to marriage sealing in Satanism.” Fritz also says that Joseph Smith’s family practiced witchcraft, which is how they knew about sealing, and is likely the reason it was brought into the church. The book of Mormon uses the word sealed or seal more than 20 times, and “the Mormon scholar D. Michael Quinn writes that ‘The Book of Mormon’s use of the word ‘sealed’ also suggested a magic context.” Certain rites/rituals/oaths of the Mormon church through the years have closely resembled parts of Masonic ceremonies. Rituals done in the Mormon Temple aren’t supposed to be discussed outside of the temple, but two young ex-Mormons on YouTube have, which is why I found this information available online. They speak of four priesthoods within the LDS church, two Aaronic (lineage of Aaron) priesthoods and two Melchizedek priesthoods, and within the inner temple ceremonies these have tokens, hand symbols, and oaths that go along with them. Luciferians also have Melchizedek priests, and tokens, and the Masons have the hand symbols and oaths. It’s as if both the Luciferian religion and the Masonic fraternity were mixed-and-matched to form Mormon rituals. 106 Breaking the covenant of either priesthood comes with penalties, and one penalty of the Aaronic priesthood is that “your throat be cut from ear to ear and your tongue be torn out by its roots mind you this is the penalty if you reveal any of these things.” Interestingly, the oath taken by a first-degree mason is, “Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the rough sands of the sea at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty four hours, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate this my solemn oath and obligation as an Entered Apprentice Mason.” Mighty similar oaths, if you ask me. It goes further, however. Another penalty of the Aaronic priesthood in the Mormon church is “your breasts be torn open your heart and vitals be torn out and give it to the birds and the beasts of the field.” The oath of a second-degree Mason is similar, saying “Binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my left breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and given as prey to the wild beasts of the field and the fowls of the air as prey.” (JM 01, ZZ 12) Again—almost an identical sentiment to those two oaths. Mormon temples have also been built on top of programming facilities, such as the Lake Oswego Mormon Temple in Portland, Oregon and the temple in the heart of Salt Lake City, Utah. Yes, “Mormon hierarchy are allowed to create slaves,” although their programming is different than other divisions, like the Jesuits. The Illuminati still assume top-level control, over-and-above the Mormon-level programs by overlaying that Mormon programming with further mind-control programming. “Programmed Mormon children will think they have the “Spirit of Elijah” in them 107 and will robotically sing their programming, “Follow the prophet, follow the prophet.” (FS 01, FS 03) Merrill Osmond, father of Donny and Marie Osmond among other children, is part of the Illuminati, and two of his children, if not more, are both programmed slaves. Merrill has made money from “drugs, porn and white slavery.” (FS 01) Cathy O’Brien corroborates this, saying that Donny Osmond was “of the same MK Ultra genetic project” that she was also a part of, and her father encouraged her to listen to their music because it enhanced some of her programming. (CO 01) Jessie has talked about the involvement of the LDS church in Luciferian activities as concentrated in their breeding and genetics programs. Utah has “one of the largest breeding facilities,” and underground genetics programs for The System, she says. The Luciferians want children with certain spiritual gifts or groups of genes, and they’ve tried to make part of the breeding program look like a religious preference/lifestyle under the umbrella of the LDS church. Jessie suggests that the polygamy aspect of the early Mormon church and now some offshoot factions of the church are a cover for some of their “top breeder men” who are “being given” multiple women by The System. (ARA 019)
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Joachim Hagopian – PedoEmpire website [5]Pedophilia& Empire: Satan, Sodomy & the Deep State[5e]
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