TLH 3 Analysis of Tony’s Story on Trevor Lloyd-Hughes

This post attempts to analyse and discuss some aspects of Tony’s revelations about Trevor Lloyd-Hughes [42]  TLH 2 Trevor Lloyd Hughes, Met Police. Corrupt….yes absolutely. Gay…that too.

It is the third in the series following

TLH 1 – Trevor Lloyd-Hughes, Met Police. Summary of Information [43]  

TLH 2 Trevor Lloyd Hughes, Met Police. Corrupt….yes absolutely. Gay…that too. [42] 

Tony’s story already is making waves, and connections are being made. It throws light onto several topics

  • TLH  gay/ bisexual
  • TLH corruption
  • TLH and secret cameras
  • TLH and Operation Circus
  • Michael Fagan, Buckingham Palace break in, Trestrail resignation
  • Lloyd Hughes’s relationship with Martin Allen who later disappeared
  • Kray twins, Blunt, Michael Lewis, Dolphin Court, MI5 connection

So what does Tony’s evidence add to the knowledge of Trevor Lloyd-Hughes and other incidents?

The parts of text that are from Tony’s story are in italics for clarity. (not to be confused with link titles also in italics)

TLH

Gay/ Bisexual

Just from the sexual assault on Tony, Lloyd-Hughes was definitely gay or bisexual, despite what his wife said at the Press Council in 1987. Press Council Complaint Annual Report of Press Council  [2]

It indicates that TLH could have been living a double life and his wife had no knowledge of his gay side. It could also indicate that his wife, in the Press Council Hearing was protecting him, his reputation and her pension. This may have been in line with the Police desire to protect their own reputation.

Not only could Lloyd-Hughes whilst a policeman, have been committing criminal offences with men under 21, as the law was then in the 70’s and 80’s [44] but Tony suspects him of being into boys several years younger than that.

Lloyd Hughes also knew that what he did with Tony was wrong…

He stopped undressing me and I left immediately and didn’t hear from him for a long time. When he eventually called me he sounded very shaken. He asked me if I had reported the incident to the police and I said no I hadn’t. He asked if I had spoken to anyone about it and I again said no and told him to stop phoning me or I would actually report him. I hung up before he could say anymore and learned a bit later that he had died.

He was favouring boys he liked and had a sexual interest in, and bending the law and police procedure to do so.

I know that several times boys who he had an interest in had been arrested by police and Trevor had arranged to “take care” of the arrest and ultimately got them released by saying they were assisting C-11 in their investigations. This may have been the case but I’d bet real money it was a lie and then the boys owed him. [22]

To “take care” of the arrest of TLH’s favoured boys could have meant installing them as informants. Even to do that would have been immoral in itself if he had a sexual interest in them, and not applying the law without fear or favour, but it also may have involved deleting information from the police computer which would be illegal.

TLH’s scam sounds very similar to what the anticorruption police were investigating, and it was of course reported by NOTW that they were investigating links between gay officers and a private investigations firm and a gay sex for secrets scandal involving the police national computer, as well as Lloyd-Hughes in this.  News of the World Scandal Of Top Cop And Rent Boys [1]

TLH was also vice chair of Met Police Football Club [1]

TLH ran Met Police boys football club in South London [to be verified]

Did he have access to young males at either of these?

Did TLH have access to probationary Police Officers? Did he used to pester them?

Was TLH violent to anyone?

I have been told that TLH was convicted for possession of “pornographic” images of children in the 1980s. If anyone can add any details or verification, please contact me or add anonymously to comments if you wish.

TLH and Secret Cameras

Secret Cameras in House in Ealing

I had now left the original studio and had moved on to a better job within TV and knowing that he asked me if I could get hold of some very small cameras for use on a police job he was doing. I actually had an interest in the small surveillance type cameras for use on train sets and said that I could indeed help him. TLH said he wanted to bring me “on-board” with the police as a “contractor” and he would be able to get me some pay for working for the police. I thought this would be great and might even lead to a full-time job. I supplied him with a couple of cameras and didn’t hear from him for a few days.

When he called me again he told me that he needed me to install the cameras myself. It suddenly dawned on me that surely C-11 must have their own technicians who already did this kind of thing. Why was I being asked to do this?

My suspicions were further aroused when I was taken to the house where he wanted the cameras fitted and seemed to have full access to the property which I think was in the Ealing area. The area where I fitted the cameras was in the bedroom and both faced the bed which I thought was very suspicious. He got me to hide one in a speaker and the other was in a cupboard.

As he was a fairly high ranking police officer I accepted this was official police business but I was left wondering.

  • Whose was the house in Ealing that was secretly filmed?
  • Why was it arranged to film the bed?
  • Were the secret cameras put their on behalf of himself, the Met Police, MI5 or someone else

Secret Cameras Installation in Heaven – gay nightclub

On the next job he wanted me to fit cameras at a gay night club called Heaven in central London. I told him I needed to see exactly where they would have to go and so he took me to the venue where something strange happened.

The place was closed to the public as it was around midday but when we got there he was spotted by another man who was very obviously gay and very obviously acquainted with Trevor and tried to talk to him. Trevor almost launched at this guy and seemed to be caught completely off guard. He told him not to speak to him, pushed him away quite violently and seemed highly embarrassed that I had seen this.

I asked Trevor what it was all about but he ignored me and told me the job had suddenly been cancelled. He took me back to my flat and I didn’t see or hear from him for several weeks. He seemed very annoyed and upset. Almost like his cover had been blown.

  • Did Heaven know that he was installing secret cameras at their venue?
  • Was it sanctioned by Heaven themselves and if so what were they told it was for?
  • Did TLH manage to install them in Heaven on another occasion?
  • Was this a TLH operation on his own, did Police sanctioned it or even MI5 ?
  • What purposes were the cameras for –  for sexual purposes or blackmail purposes?
  • How many other places and where did Lloyd-Hughes use secret cameras?

There is a possibility that if you were in Heaven in late 70s or 80s that you may have been filmed by secret cameras.

The Groucho Club also had secret cameras, which the police did not investigate properly and seem to have covered up see Groucho Club and Child Sexual Abuse [13]

  • Did Police refuse to investigate properly because they or MI5 was involved?
  • Is this filming a regular tactic for the Police and Intelligence services to trawl for information for blackmail purposes?

Operation Circus and Police anti Corruption Squad investigation

The Mail claims that Lloyd-Hughes was leader of an Operation, which appears to be Operation Circus.  Scotland Yard detective: I was told to ignore ‘meat rack’ VIPs during paedophile probe [5]

It also quotes former Chief Inspector Howard Groves, who  was investigating a West End paedophile ring with alleged links to MPs and TV stars in the 1980s as saying “The command not to investigate establishment figures was relayed by a senior officer and I believe must have come from Lloyd-Hughes.”

If this was Operation Circus then to be gay/bisexual raises issues of conflict of interest when the Operation was an investigation into homosexual involvement in child abuse at Piccadilly Circus, especially at a time when being gay, due to differences in the law between heterosexuality and homosexuality you were in a clandestine club.

TLH not only could have been committing offences, as a high ranking policeman, with men under 21 as the law was then but possibly under 16 as the law is today.[44]

If he was gay or “secretly” gay then this was a blackmail risk.  Blackmail risk is not only by foreign governments as people may surmise but also at risk of blackmail, subtle or otherwise by MI5, other sections or individuals in the police, or even politicians. Is this why he had contacts with MI5?

I know that several times boys who he had an interest in had been arrested by police and Trevor had arranged to “take care” of the arrest and ultimately got them released by saying they were assisting C-11 in their investigations. This may have been the case but I’d bet real money it was a lie and then the boys owed him.

Was TLH was involved in whatever form in Operation Circus (Operation Circus in the 1980’s was an investigation into homosexual involvement in child abuse at Piccadilly Circus)….

…whilst simultaneously operating his own gay sexual favours scheme in exchange for “taking care of arrests”?

….and TLH’s scam also sounds very similar also to what the anticorruption police were reported by NOTW to be investigating him for – links between gay officers and a private investigations firm and a gay sex for secrets scandal involving the police national computer.

1986 News of the World Scandal Of Top Cop And Rent Boys [1]

  • Was the NOTW story leaked to Marunchuk from rank and file police officers?
  • Did senior officers cover this up and deny it for the Press Council [14], due to the negative impact on the police and a potentially greater scandal?
  • What actually happened as a result of the anti corruption investigation into gay police for police computer favours scandal?  I know of little information – does anyone else?
  • Was the private investigators the infamous Southern Investigations?

In most police corruption investigations paperwork gets lost, the reports are never published and then “lost” and the paying public never gets to know how corrupt the Met Police actually are eg Operation Countryman [15] Operation Othona and Operation Zloty  Independent  Exclusive: Secret SECOND Metropolitan Police corruption probe revealed [53]

Police have refused to give much information at all out about Operation Circus, which perhaps indicates it is a sensitive area that they may wish to be hidden 2013 WDTK FOI  Operation Circus [9] 2016 FOI WDTK Operation Circus [8]

Kray Twins

TLH would pick me up after work and we would drive around London in his RS2000 and talk about police work. We visited several pubs in the east end of London including a place called The Blind Beggar where he told me about the Kray twins and his contact with them.

I actually hadn’t heard of the Krays or who they were but he filled in the gruesome details. At first I was fascinated by all this but as time went on I began to wonder why a senior cop would be seemingly so close to vicious gangsters like the Krays. There are some very dodgy connections there too.

At the time I thought it was a bit worrying and wanted to get out of there asap. I didn’t know the East End at all and felt very out of my depth and also that I hardly knew this guy I was with. I basically trusted him because my mother had bought me up to always trust the police. I was beginning to wonder if this was a good policy.

It turned out ok though and he described how he sat across the table from one of the twins (cannot remember who he said it was) and had a calm conversation with him. At the time I thought he was brave after what he had told me about them.

Sometime later and not on this visit he mentioned that he had helped some young guy who was associated with the Krays off an arrest. I don’t remember what it was he said the guy had done but he’d been caught and arrested and Trevor said he’d gone to the police station where he was kept and had him released.

Trevor had some part in the eventual arrest of the Krays or at least one of them. He said one of the twins always referred to him as Mr Hughes.

Kray Twins Convicted Lloyd-Hughes 4th left second row (undel the gel of Tintagel)
The Scotland Yard team which investigated the Kray Twins case pose on the the steps of Tintagel House, 4th March 1969. From left to right (front row) Superintendent Henry Mooney, Superintendent Don Adams, Commissioner John Du Rose, Detective Superintendent Leonard Read (aka ‘Nipper’ Read), Detective Sergeant Sheila Acton, Detective Constable Janet Adams; (second row) Chief Inspector Frank Holt, Detective Inspector Frank Cater, Detective Sergeant David Eager, Detective Sergeant Trevor Lloyd-Hughes, Detective Sergeant Ben Trevette, Detective Sergeant Andy Gallagher, Detective Constable George McKay, Detective Sergeant William Waite; (back row) Detective Constable Carol Liston, Detective Sergeant Algy Hemingway, Detective Constable Robin West, Detective Constable George Ness, Detective Sergeant Alan Wright. (Photo by Ron Gerelli/Daily Express/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

So this information from Tony checks out, that TLH worked on Kray case.

  • What connections did TLH have with the Krays?
  • What part did TLH have in the Krays arrest?
  • Why was the young guy arrested and why did TLH get him released?

Anthony Blunt

Trevor had some connection with Sir Anthony Blunt, the Queen’s art historian.  I have no knowledge of what that connection was, except that Trevor and I went to a place along Edgware Road where he went to see Blunt. It was a short meeting and he never spoke of it on the way back.

Interesting that Lloyd-Hughes knew Blunt, notorious for being MI5, and a Russian spy as well the queen’s ex art historian, cousin to the queen mother and friend of Rothschilds.  Wikipedia Anthony Blunt [48]

Anthony Blunt’s address was at 45 Portsea Hall,  Portsea Place until his death in 1983 which is just off Edgware Road [47] so Tony’s story fits in perfectly.

                           Red Pin Placed on Blunts Address of Portsea House

Mike Lewis

Has anyone else heard of Mike Lewis?

It would be interesting to know any  more about this character who sounds seedy and  dangerous to children?

Lloyd-Hughes obviously felt safe enough to sexually assault Tony in his house.

Some relevant parts of Tony’s story are included here.

…was introduced to a character by the name of Mike Lewis. I met Lewis for the first time probably around 1976/7 when I was 16 or 17.

Lewis was a creepy gay guy and someone who I probably should have avoided but he too had an interest in radios and so I spoke with him. Once I got to know him a little better he told me he had some radio kit he wanted to sell and invited me over to his house in Temple Fortune near Golders Green in North London. I reluctantly went and made it clear to him that my parents knew where I was and when I should be back home.

Lewis never tried anything on with me and I was always careful. I got to his house and noticed a rather fancy looking Ford Escort RS2000 parked nearby. I noticed it because it had a fake telescoping radio antenna. This was something the under cover police used on their cars to cover for their two way police radio so casual glances at it wouldn’t show it out as a cop car.

After a few minutes sitting in Lewis’s kitchen looking at his radios a guy who later identified himself as Lloyd-Hughes appeared in the doorway with a young boy. The boy looked very uncomfortable and shy and was being held by the arm by Lloyd-Hughes. I went on alert because I wondered who this guy was, who the boy was and why he had taken so long to appear. What had he been doing with the kid, knowing what Lewis’s affections were for young boys?

…TLH then said he had to leave and they both departed Lewis’s house.

I was now feeling uncomfortable staying at Lewis’s alone and made my excuses and left. The green Ford RS2000 had gone and I correctly guessed it belonged to TLH.

I ended our friendship when Trevor attempted to get me into Mike Lewis’s house and get my clothes off. I was probably about 18 or 19. The room had many “items” of a sexual nature in, things like collar and whip and handcuffs

Lewis I am told has died. I have no further information except that he apparently moved from London down to the south coast.

Dolphin Court

We often drove all over London in his [Trevor Lloyd-Hughes’s] unmarked police car and on a couple of occasions we drove to the Pimlico area to a place called Dolphin Court.

We went there twice or possibly three times maximum and each time he told me to stay in the car and I was never invited up (lucky escape). He said he was visiting an elderly friend and usually spent 45 mins to an hour there whilst I waited in the car reading “Police Review”. At the time I don’t think there was any suspicion about the true nature of Dolphin Court and I certainly had no knowledge of what went on there.

Who was TLH visiting and why?

MI5 connection

On several occasions we filled up his RS2000 police car at a garage south of the river that I discovered was used, exclusively I was told, by MI-5 The Security Service. That location has since been demolished.

We also went to a nondescript building no more than 2 or 3 storys high not far from the south side embankment somewhere between Brixton and Vauxhall bridges I think, that was also used by MI-5. I have been told it was some kind of technical development branch. He went in, I did not.

  • What was Lloyd Hughes’s MI5 connection?
  • Was he an agent for MI5 or was he being blackmailed or both?

Martin Allen

Perhaps the greatest revelations were about a boy that could have been Martin Allen.

I have drawn all the pieces together in this one section about which are about Martin Allen. I have not investigated Martins disappearance and as it is a specialist subject all of its own, I just bring this together and offer a few comments.

There are several others who have spent a long time investigating Martins disappearance and I hope they may comment or blog and analyse this new information.

For a comprehensive account of what is known to have happened see 2016 Aug 2017 Sceptic Peg MISSING: The Disappearance of Martin Allen [19]

After a few minutes sitting in Lewis’s kitchen looking at his radios a guy who later identified himself as Lloyd-Hughes appeared in the doorway with a young boy. The boy looked very uncomfortable and shy and was being held by Lloyd-Hughes. I went on alert because I wondered who this guy was, who the boy was and why he had taken so long to introduce himself. What had he been doing with the kid, knowing what Lewis’s affections were for young boys?

Lloyd-Hughes introduced himself just as “Trevor” at first and then introduced the boy as “Martin”. I distinctly remembered this as Martin is also my middle name.

Now here is the bit you might find disturbing. The boy who I met when first introduced to Trevor, and I am absolutely sure about this, was Martin Allen.

Martin Allen went missing and as far as I know has never been found. When I first went poking around looking for information on TLH I came across all the stuff about Dolphin Court, then the Krays and then Martin Allen and suddenly a lot of pieces suddenly fell into place.

I think I missed a bullet when I allowed Trevor Lloyd-Hughes to befriend me. He was absolutely gay. He was absolutely corrupt and I have a horrible feeling he might have had something to do with Martin Allen’s disappearance. When I saw Allen’s photo on the internet article my skin went cold and I suddenly realised that it could have been me!

At the time TLH “tried it on” with me I was probably about 18 or 19 and I would estimate it was around the same age that I saw Martin Allen with him. Martin looked like he was a bit younger than me at that time.

Although I will leave it others who know more about Martin Allen case to analyse this new information, I just bring attention to the following

  • There must be a possibility that the boy Tony saw was Martin Allen and that he was sexually abused by Lloyd Hughes and/or Michael Lewis.
  • Was Lloyd Hughes a factor in Martin Allen’s disappearance?
  • Was Lloyd-Hughes interviewed about his knowledge of Martin Allen?
  • Did Lloyd-Hughes admit his knowing Martin Allen to the investigation into Allen and /or his friend and colleague David Veness who worked on the investigation. (TLH  worked with Sir David Veness during the Iranian embassy siege, also TLH wrote a report on the Fagan break in and Veness later worked on security in the royal house. [])

Lloyd-Hughes’s Death

Trevor Lloyd-Hughes died at a relatively young, age 52, just at time when things seemed to be unravelling for him and possibly the Met Police or any other networks he was in.

  • Was Lloyd-Hughes death suspicious?
  • Was it “natural”, was it suicide or was it induced heart attack?

Connection to Veness

Lloyd-Hughes had several connections to a Dave Veness. Both apparently worked on the 1980 Iranian siege, both apparently to do with royal security and Veness worked on 1979 Martin Allen disappearance. He was considered one of the “Untouchables”. [12] Powerbase David Venness [25]

It would be valuable to have any information on him.

Michael Fagan’s Palace break in, TLH cover up and Michael Trestrail

Tony’s story from TLH is that Fagan was a “rent boy” invited into the palace by Michael Trestrail for sexual purposes, and did not break in to Buckingham Palace. Lloyd-Hughes then manipulated the press into believing /printing the false cover story.

I remember Trevor once telling me about an incident at Buckingham Palace that was in the news. A guy by the name of Michael Fagan had been apprehended attempting to get in to the palace. When I spoke to Trevor about it he told me what had actually happened. According to him Fagan was a regular “guest” at the behest of Commander Michael Trestrail the Queens bodyguard. According to Trevor, Fagan was a “rent boy” and did not climb into the palace but entered with Trestrail. On this occasion he wandered off much to the alarm of Trestrail.

He was discovered in the Queens bedroom and was arrested and taken away. Trevor had some input into Fagan’s case as well when it went to court. I believe Commander Trestrail was “outed” sometime after this event took place and either resigned or was kicked out.

According to Trevor the story in the press was false and concocted by him and Fagan.

The official version, which came out in dribs and drabs over some time, lacked transparency and integrity.

The commonly known version is of 2 break ins by Fagan, a month or so apart [27a]. Fagan talked to the Queen on her bed for several minutes [36] and she phoned security who despite problems eventually came after another phone call [35] .

Since it was then a civil wrong rather than a criminal offence, Fagan was not charged for trespassing in the Queen’s bedroom, he was charged for stealing wine on previous visit but those charges were then dropped after psychiatric evaluation [16].

Many people were puzzled as to why Trestrail, the Queens Bodyguard, did not resign straight away despite widespread calls for him to do so. Nor did he resign on the issue of his obvious failure to protect the queen as Queens Bodyguard and head of A1 in charge of Palace security but is said to have resigned completely from the Met Police, on the issue of sex with a male prostitute over a number of years [21]

Less well known is that a “rent boy” called Michael Rauch came forward hoping to make money out of the Sun for his story [23] but the heroic Sun informed the Scotland Yard. ( I wonder what deal was made there!) This is what appears to have caused Trestrail to resign.

Chief Superintendent Trevor Lloyd Hughes also gave “evidence” about Fagan in his court case [27a]. TLH spoke out against Fagan getting bail and it was refused.

Interesting also that William Whitelaw went apoplectic over this incident [27].
Perhaps it was getting too close to home, as he had his own secrets to hide and covering up vice scandals was taking its toll in 1982 -Kincora, Elm Guest House, Fagan/Trestrail.

The official version can be discerned from a few newspapers supplied by @craftymuvva and published below in links, The Newcastle Journal [27] [27a] [28] [29] [30] [31] as well as wikipedia [38]. There will be more newspapers available on the so called “Fagan incident” soon on the child abuse newspaper archive site The Source [49].

The text of the Scotland Yard Report is available from the New York Times [35] which copped out on providing the whole truth by keeping only to the 9th Jul “break-in”.

The National Archives have released papers which are available on visiting but they have not yet been digitised yet for internet release. 1982 Jul 19 – Nov 25 National Archives Security. Resignation of Michael Trestrail [32]

However the official nor commonly known narratives do not fit in with some other reports and happenings.

The Sun which apparently reported 12 visits to the Palace by Fagan [36]

Fagan himself disagrees with some of what the press said. He says that the Queen ran off and therefore he did not sit on the bed talking. “Nah! She went past me and ran out of the room; her little bare feet running across the floor” [37]

Fagan was not charged with that Buckingham Palace incident, but oddly an incident five weeks before and also with other offences.  The Police could have come up with some charge on the Queens bedroom incident – eg criminal damage for the broken ashtray, offensive weapon – holding piece of the broken ashtray in the queens bedroom. But no, no charges from that incident, almost as though the authorities did not want it aired in court.

If what Lloyd-Hughes told Tony is correct, then it appears that Lloyd-Hughes was deliberately misleading the press with false stories.

If Fagan was a “rent boy” invited to the Palace by Trestrail, and this was being covered up as a “break in” or two, then this may have proved impossible with another rent boy coming forward, which would have led to exposing Fagan as such. If the story had come out about Fagan being a “rent boy” as well it might have seemed the palace was awash with “rentboys” and/or gays, which of course it probably was. This in fact may have explain the delayed, odd then sudden resignation of Trestrail.

Why did Lloyd-Hughes mislead the press?

Was it TLH job to do Royal media queries and brief the press or was he drafted in to do this job?

What was it that was being covered up?

  • Police security failures?
  • Use of “rent boys” by Palace Police?
  • Use of “rent boys” by wider Police community?
  • Police corruption? – there had been 4 police corruption inquiries in the senventies and the last Operation Countryman only ended in 1982. The Report has never seen the light of day, hidden and destroyed by more corrupt police
  • Were Lloyd-Hughes and Trestrail in a wider “vice network” or were they just watching each others back having similar sexual interests?
  • Fagan was a heroin dealer [37]. Was he supplying police or others in the palace with drugs?

Why did Trestrail resign completely from the Police and not just his role as Queens Bodyguard?

No doubt there are many more questions. Does anyone have answers? Comments below this blog are available for anonymous contributions.

Timeline – Fagan/Buckingham Palace Break-in (brief)

Thanks to @craftymuvva for obtaining these newspapers. There should be more up on her website soon The Source – Child Abuse Newspaper archive [49]. Some of the newspaper reports are hard to read apologies. Clicking on them should make them larger.

1948 Aug x Michael Fagan born [35]

1950 Michel Fagan born [37] 

1982 Jun 7 First Michael Fagan incident, kept quiet at the time, and for which he was later going to be charged with stealing half a bottle of wine [16]

1982 Jul 9 Michael Fagan Incident where he got into the Queens bedroom

1982 Jul 10 Fagan appeared in Court charged with the Jun 7 incident [36]

1982 Jul 12 The Home secretary, Mr William Whitelaw, told the Commons yesterday that he was shocked and staggered by the serious failure in security arrangements [36]

1982 Jul 13 Guardian Whitelaw launches Palace inquiry [36]  Mr William Whitelaw, told the Commons yesterday that he was shocked and staggered by the serious failure in security arrangements….Sun today reports that the intruder had made at least 12 visits to the Palace. He said he had already set up an urgent inquiry into the incident under Mr John Dellow, an assistant commissioner at Scotland Yard, and he had received the first interim report of the inquiry before making his statement to the Commons.

1982 Jul 19 Hansard 1982 July 20 The Journal Newcastle on Tyne Queen’s Guard in Vice Scandal  [27] 

1982 Jul 20 The Journal Trestrail:the man the Queen called Michael, Fagan Held cont, and Yard Names New Man [28]

1982 July 20 The Journal Newcastle on Tyne Queen’s Bedroom Intruder Suicidal [27a]

1982 Jul 20 The Journal Where will it all end? [29]

1982 Jul 21 Commons Statement [29]

1982 Jul 22 New York Times TEXT OF SCOTLAND YARD’S REPORT ON JULY 9 INTRUSION INTO BUCKINGHAM PALACE [35] Head of A1 branch – Palace Security. states security was upped after Jun 7 incident!

1982 Oct c.15 Bridge Report handed to Home Secretary Whitelaw [30]

1982 Nov 24 Source? Trestrail Report 1982 [30] Report by Judge Lord Bridge published today.

Nov 25 The Journal Once More unto the breach [31]

Trestrail Secret Double Life

1982 Jul 19 – Nov 25 National Archives Resignation of Michael Trestrail [32]

1982 Aug 13 Private Eye [23](Included due to its relevance to Trestrail but also due to its mention of Kincora Boys Home, perhaps a nod to the age of boys Trestrail was seeing?)

2004 Matt and Andrej Koymasky TheLiving Room Michael Trestrail [24]

2012 Feb 19 Independent Michael Fagan: ‘Her nightie was one of those Liberty prints, down to her knees’ [37]

  • Footman Paul Whyman offered Fagan a drink.
  • Fagan was a heroin dealer whose one of whose clients was a company director, the son of a lord.
  • Reports at the time suggested the Queen had a long conversation with Fagan to stall him while security was summoned. Fagan tells it differently: “Nah! She went past me and ran out of the room; her little bare feet running across the floor”

2012 May 31 UKJarry 413: Michael Trestrail [23]

  • Member of the Royal Victorian Order in 1978, a personal award of the Queen
  • Several years earlier met a couple of times with Michael Rauch.
  • Sun passed info to Scotland Yard about Rauch.
  • Vetting was obviously very poor
  • Vassall and Lavender scandals
  • Includes many cartoons

Timeline Trevor Arlen Lloyd-Hughes (brief)

? Trevor Lloyd Hughes born

Wife Elizabeth Linton Lloyd-Hughes

c.1969   Scotland Yard team that investigated the Kray Twins – Lloyd-Hughes 4th left back row (under gel of Tintagel)

197? -1986 Lived at Blanche Lane in South Mimms near Potters Bar []

1978 – 1983/4 Tony knew Trevor Lloyd-Hughes [42]

1982 Jun 19 Elm Guest House Police raid [17]

1982 Jul 8 Fagan break in [16]

1982 Jul 18 Richmond & Twickenham Times Four on Brothel Charges [52]

1982  TLH wrote the Buckingham Palace Fagan break in report, after Elms Guest House raid, but before the media started to report in August. TLH then rose in rank [11]

1984 Feb 6 Guardian Murdered Teenagers Dumped in Scoop TLH

1984 to 1988 Metropolitan Police Operation Circus concerning Kings Cross and adults using young boys  [8]

1985 TLH first heard of reports of allegations that he was homosexual. He denied this and  instructed them to sue for libel if published. [2]

1986 c May 5 TLH died

1986 May 11 News of the World Scandal Of Top Cop And Rent Boys via 2014 Spotlight on Abuse [1]

1987 Mrs Elizabeth Lloyd-Hughes complaint to Press Council via Waltons Solicitors, Luton [2]

2016 Jan 23 Daily Mail Scotland Yard detective: I was told to ignore ‘meat rack’ VIPs during paedophile probe [5]

Former Chief Inspector Howard Groves claims he was told to ignore VIPs during a paedophile probe now being investigated by the police watchdog. He believes that the order came from Lloyd-Hughes who the paper says was in charge of the Operation.

2018 Jul 1 cathy fox blog TLH 1 – Trevor Lloyd-Hughes, Met Police. Summary of Information [43] 

2018 Jul 2 cathy fox blog TLH 2 Trevor Lloyd Hughes, Met Police. Corrupt….yes absolutely. Gay…that too [42]

 

Why are the Met Police not interested in Tony’s story?

What are the Met Police covering up?

  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] 1986 May 11 News of the World Scandal Of Top Cop And Rent Boys via 2014 Spotlight on Abuse https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/scandal-of-top-cop-and-rent-boys-11-05-86/#comments%C2%A0

[2] 1987 TLH Press Council Complaint Annual Report of Press Council https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFUd0QvXoAA_YEb.jpg:large

[3]

[4] Lloyd-Hughes lived in Blanche Lane in South Mimms near Potters Bar []

[5] 2016 Jan 23 Daily Mail Scotland Yard detective: I was told to ignore ‘meat rack’ VIPs during paedophile probe https://archive.is/XEpTH

[6] 2016 Jan 24 cathy fox blog Paedophilia around Piccadilly Part 5 1980s and Operation Circus https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/paedophilia-around-piccadilly-part-5-1980s-and-operation-circus/

[7] 2015 May 26 cathy fox blog Paedophilia around Piccadilly Part 4 Playland Trial and Cover up https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/paedophilia-around-piccadilly-part-4-playland-trial-and-cover-up/

[8] 2016 WDTK foi Operation Circus MWalkerdine https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/operation_circus_request#incoming-816762

[9] 2013 WDTK FOI  Operation Circus Scot https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/childabuseoperation_operation_ci#incoming-456276

[10] Bent Cops and Lawyers http://bentlawyersandcops.com/bent_cops_list.htm

[11] Bits of Books Blog https://bitsofbooksblog.wordpress.com/1986-90/ Scandal Of Top Cop And Rent Boys (11.05.86) News of the World, 11th May 1986 – Commander  Trevor Lloyd-Hughes (who had written the report on Fagan’s break in just after the Elm Guest House raid but just before the media started to report in August has now risen in rank). His widow complains to the Press Council and it is upheld. [Timing seem astray as press reported July, author does not bother to reply]

[12] 2015 Jan MET POLICE- RENT BOY RINGS,1986 + SIR DAVID VENESS,PRINCESS DIANA,MARTIN ALLEN  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qivK0RBKqoE Commander Trevor Lloyd-Hughes died 1986-his name was in the address books of several rent boys. He was also in the “STOLEN VEHICLES” division. He worked with met police negotiator DAVE VENESS during the 1980 Iranian embassy siege. Veness also worked on the 1979 MARTIN ALLEN disappearance. Veness later worked on security in the royal household,and gave evidence at the 2006 DIANA INQUEST and had close contact with MI5/MI6. He is considered to be one of the “UNTOUCHABLES”. Stolen Vehicles is something that repeatedly crops up in VIP child abuse investigations. Join the dots. Paedophile Sidney Cooke, too.

[13] 2011 Jul 19 Telegraph Phone Hacking: News of the World executive ‘worked as police translator’ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8646307/Phone-Hacking-News-of-the-World-executive-worked-as-police-translator.html

[14] 2012 Jul 16 Independent Special report: Police revisit the grim mystery of Elm Guest House https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/special-report-police-revisit-the-grim-mystery-of-elm-guest-house-8420435.html

[15] 2016 Mar 5 cathy fox blog  Operation Countryman https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2016/03/05/operation-countryman/

[16] 2018 Jul Wikipedia Michael Fagan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Fagan_incident

[17] 1982 Jul 23 Capital Gay News of the World Chase Elm Defendants 23-07-82

[21] 1982 Jul 19 Hansard Statement by Home Secretary William Whitelaw https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1982/jul/19/commander-trestrail

[22] National Archives Trestrail Report http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13317482

[23] 2012 May 31 UKJarry 413: Michael Trestrail https://ukjarry.blogspot.com/2012/05/413-michael-trestrail.html archive https://archive.is/f0fLf Michael Rauch

[24] 2004 Matt and Andrej Koymasky TheLiving Room Michael Trestrail http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/biot2/trestr01.html

[25] Powerbase David Venness http://powerbase.info/index.php/David_Veness

[26] 1982 Jul 19 Hansard 1982 July 20 The Journal Newcastle on Tyne Queen’s Guard in Vice Scandal  [27]

[27a] 1982 July 20 The Journal Newcastle on Tyne Queen’s Bedroom Intruder Suicidal

[28] 1982 Jul 20 The Journal Trestrail:the man the Queen called Michael, Fagan Held cont, and Yard Names New Man

 

[29] 1982 Jul 20  The Journal  Where will it all end?

[30] 1982 Nov 24 Source? Trestrail Report [31] 1982  Nov 25 The Journal Once More unto the breach

[32] 1982 Jul 19 – Nov 25 National Archives Security. Resignation of Michael Trestrail http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13317482

[33] 2014 Jul 29 Cathy Fox Blog Groucho Club and Child Sexual Abuse https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/groucho-club-and-child-sexual-abuse/

[34] 2018 Wikipedia Press Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Council_(UK) https://archive.is/gdD0v

[35] 1982 Jul 22 New York Times TEXT OF SCOTLAND YARD’S REPORT ON JULY 9 INTRUSION INTO BUCKINGHAM PALACE https://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/22/world/text-of-scotland-yard-s-report-on-july-9-intrusion-into-buckingham-palace.html archive https://archive.is/DUNHn

[36] 1982 Jul 13 Guardian Whitelaw launches Palace inquiry https://archive.is/9LCV6

[37] 2012 Feb 19 Independent Michael Fagan: ‘Her nightie was one of those Liberty prints, down to her knees’ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/michael-fagan-her-nightie-was-one-of-those-liberty-prints-down-to-her-knees-7179547.html

[38] 2018 Jul Wikipedia Michael Fagan Incident archive https://archive.is/qH2H2

[39] 2016 Aug 8 Sceptic Peg MISSING: The Disappearance of Martin Allen https://scepticpeg.wordpress.com/2016/08/17/the-disappearance-of-martin-allen/

[40] 1969- Trevor Arlen Lloyd Hughes was living at 37 Harriott House, Jamaica Street, London E1 HT@mwalkerdine

[41] The Wife of Trevor Arlen Lloyd-Hughes, Elizabeth Linton Lloyd-Hughes HT@mwalkerdine

[42] 2018 Jul 2 cathy fox blog TLH 2 Trevor Lloyd Hughes, Met Police. Corrupt….yes absolutely. Gay…that too. https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/tlh-2-trevor-lloyd-hughes-met-police-corrupt-yes-absolutely-gaythat-too/

[43] 2018 Jul 1 cathy fox blog TLH 1 – Trevor Lloyd-Hughes, Met Police. Summary of Information https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2018/07/01/tlh-1-trevor-lloyd-hughes-met-police-summary-of-information/

[44] 2018 Jul Wikipedia LGBT Rights in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Kingdom https://archive.is/lT4t1

[45] Heaven email address info@heavennightclublondon.com

[46] Spotlight on Abuse William Whitelaw https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/tag/willie-whitelaw/ archive search  https://archive.is/xaDL7

[47] Anthony Blunt Address was at 45 Portsea Hall Portsea Place until his death in 1983 HY @mwalkerdine

[48] 2018 Jul Wikipedia Anthony Blunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Blunt archive https://archive.is/mYRbE

[49] The Source – Child Abuse Newspaper archive https://thesourceresearch.wordpress.com

[50] 1984 Feb 6 Guardian Murdered Teenagers Dumped in Scoop

Commander Lloyd-Hughes Head of Area CID

[51] Dates -Various The Source Elm Guest House – Barnes https://thesourceresearch.wordpress.com/2018/04/02/elm-guest-house-barnes/

[52] 1982 Jul 18 Richmond & Twickenham Times Four on Brothel Charges https://thesourceresearch.wordpress.com/2018/04/02/elm-guest-house-barnes/

Raymond Paull, Lee Towsey, Haroon Kasir, Carol Kasir (anyone got any info about first two?)

[53] 2014 Mar 26 Independent  Exclusive: Secret SECOND Metropolitan Police corruption probe revealed https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exclusive-secret-second-metropolitan-police-corruption-probe-revealed-9217620.html archive

http://archive.is/Hysaf

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Grant Wright – Indecent Exposure

Years of sexual abuse left Grant Wright suicidal and desperate. But tracking down his abuser protected other boys from his fate.

Over his 25 year teaching career, John Creasey abused and photographed hundreds of boys. Grant Wright was one of his victims.

Decades later, Wright still struggled to come to terms with being abused. But tracking down and prosecuting Creasey finally enabled him to lay his demons to rest.

As Grant’s wife explains: “I didn’t feel he wanted revenge as much as he needed justice.”

Grant says “Male rape/abuse is never discussed nor is it taken seriously. I have helped many men to openly discuss the issues. When we leave the discussions there is no outside help for boys/men.

I want people to set the platform for men of all ages to come out and deal with this. I have some research on operational procedure of a male reports rape or abuse. The officers don’t have the experience nor do the people who deal with female rape/abuse.

The pain, emotions and embarrassment for male and female is the same, however, males don’t have the right people to share this openly and lay charges. They have trained police officers to deal with female and nobody to deal with males.

I am a recovering drug and alcohol addict and love life, I want to help males, the more we highlight this the easier it will get.

I want somebody who deals with this to use my experience, I want to create a platform for men to openly discuss this and start exposing more rape and abuse with boys. High power men and churches are involved with the actions.

Whilst this is in South Africa, the same can be said for the UK.”

If anyone can help David help others,  or join up with him. Email him on grant.wright.wis@gmail.com

Here is his video.

  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] 2007 Journeyman Pictures Grant Wright Indecent Exposure  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5UYAJLYO6w August 2005 Years of sexual abuse left Grant Wright suicidal and desperate. But tracking down his abuser protected other boys from his fate. Over his 25 year teaching career, John Creasey abused and photographed hundreds of boys. Grant Wright was one of his victims. Decades later, Wright still struggled to come to terms with being abused. But tracking down and prosecuting Creasey finally enabled him to lay his demons to rest. As Grant’s wife explains: “I didn’t feel he wanted revenge as much as he needed justice.”

[2] email grant.wright.wis@gmail.com

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TLH 2 Trevor Lloyd Hughes, Met Police. Corrupt….yes absolutely. Gay…that too.

“Tony” is a pseudonym chosen by this blog. He did not ask for a pseudonym but I suggested it.

In a few days I will do a post updating the previous information on Trevor Lloyd-Hughes and my analysis of the significance of this Tony’s new information.

See also 2018 Jul 1 cathy fox blog TLH 1 – Trevor Lloyd-Hughes, Met Police. Summary of Information  [1]

Tony’s Story

“I was working as a “runner” (fancy name for tea boy) at a North London TV studio and had an interest in two way radio and was introduced to a character by the name of Mike Lewis. I met Lewis for the first time probably around 1976/7 when I was 16 or 17.

Lewis was a creepy gay guy and someone who I probably should have avoided but he too had an interest in radios and so I spoke with him. Once I got to know him a little better he told me he had some radio kit he wanted to sell and invited me over to his house in Temple Fortune near Golders Green in North London. I reluctantly went and made it clear to him that my parents knew where I was and when I should be back home.

Lewis never tried anything on with me and I was always careful. I got to his house and noticed a rather fancy looking Ford Escort RS2000 parked nearby. I noticed it because it had a fake telescoping radio antenna. This was something the under cover police used on their cars to cover for their two way police radio so casual glances at it wouldn’t show it out as a cop car.

I recognised it because my near neighbour who worked for MI-5 and had the same type of antenna on his undercover car. I looked inside the car and spotted a fake radio too. This made me suspicious but not knowing who it belonged to thought no more about it. I knocked on Lewis’s door and was invited in.

TLH’s C-11 Met police car was similar to this one above but I remember it being darker, more British Racing green. This is the same type of car though, it’s pretty fancy for a police car in those days. (Photo from the internet)

After a few minutes sitting in Lewis’s kitchen looking at his radios a guy who later identified himself as Lloyd-Hughes appeared in the doorway with a young boy. The boy looked very uncomfortable and shy and was being held by the arm by Lloyd-Hughes. I went on alert because I wondered who this guy was, who the boy was and why he had taken so long to appear. What had he been doing with the kid, knowing what Lewis’s affections were for young boys?

Lloyd-Hughes introduced himself just as “Trevor” at first and then introduced the boy as “Martin”. I distinctly remembered this as Martin is also my middle name. Being a bit nosey and forward I asked if “Trevor” had a last name and he told me it was Lloyd-Hughes. We spoke for a little longer but in all that time the boy Martin said nothing except “hello” when I greeted him. TLH then said he had to leave and they both departed Lewis’s house.

I was now feeling uncomfortable staying at Lewis’s alone and made my excuses and left. The green Ford RS2000 had gone and I correctly guessed it belonged to TLH.

Some time passed and Lewis again called me regarding the radios and said he had more that I might like. I again agreed to go to his house. On this occasion the green RS2000 was again outside and TLH was waiting inside. I asked him if it was his RS2000 and he confirmed it was. I then asked what he did for a living. TLH asked me what I “thought” he did and I replied that I thought he was either a cop or an officer of MI-5.

TLH seemed amazed that I had guessed so close and admitted he worked for Scotland Yard. At the time I think he was either a Chief Inspector or Superintendent. I asked what division he worked for and he said C-11 which I later found out was Criminal Intelligence Branch.

I knew Trevor between about 1978 and 1983/4. Moving along several months now. I found TLH a rather interesting person. I was interested in maybe joining the police myself, something my father thought was a good idea at the time, and I struck up a friendship with Trevor. At this point in time he never rang any alarm bells with me unlike Lewis who was deeply creepy.

TLH would pick me up after work and we would drive around London in his RS2000 and talk about police work. We visited several pubs in the east end of London including a place called The Blind Beggar where he told me about the Kray twins and his contact with them.

I actually hadn’t heard of the Krays or who they were but he filled in the gruesome details. At first I was fascinated by all this but as time went on I began to wonder why a senior cop would be seemingly so close to vicious gangsters like the Krays. There are some very dodgy connections there too.

At the time I thought it was a bit worrying and wanted to get out of there asap. I didn’t know the East End at all and felt very out of my depth and also that I hardly knew this guy I was with. I basically trusted him because my mother had bought me up to always trust the police. I was beginning to wonder if this was a good policy.

It turned out ok though and he described how he sat across the table from one of the twins (cannot remember who he said it was) and had a calm conversation with him. At the time I thought he was brave after what he had told me about them.

Sometime later and not on this visit he mentioned that he had helped some young guy who was associated with the Krays off an arrest. I don’t remember what it was he said the guy had done, but he’d been caught and arrested and Trevor said he’d gone to the police station where he was kept and had him released.

Trevor had some part in the eventual arrest of the Krays or at least one of them. He said one of the twins always referred to him as Mr Hughes.

Several months passed and we were still friends and I got to know a lot more about him despite being a very secretive and private person. He lived in South Mimms near Potters Bar in Hertfordshire not far from my parents. He said he was married and had children but I never got to meet any of his family. I did however once visit his house but did not go in.

He seemed to grow very fond of me which made me uncomfortable and I began to wonder if he was gay. Knowing that Lewis was of that “leaning” I wondered and decided to raise my guard a bit more. We still went on our trips around London but I was becoming suspicious of him and his motives. We often drove all over London in his unmarked police car and on a couple of occasions we drove to the Pimlico area to a place called Dolphin Court.

We went there twice or possibly three times maximum and each time he told me to stay in the car and I was never invited up (lucky escape). He said he was visiting an elderly friend and usually spent 45 mins to an hour there whilst I waited in the car reading “Police Review”. At the time I don’t think there was any suspicion about the true nature of Dolphin Court and I certainly had no knowledge of what went on there.

I had now left the original studio and had moved on to a better job within TV and knowing that he asked me if I could get hold of some very small cameras for use on a police job he was doing. I actually had an interest in the small surveillance type cameras for use on train sets and said that I could indeed help him.

TLH said he wanted to bring me “on-board” with the police as a “contractor” and he would be able to get me some pay for working for the police. I thought this would be great and might even lead to a full-time job. I supplied him with a couple of cameras and didn’t hear from him for a few days.

When he called me again he told me that he needed me to install the cameras myself. It suddenly dawned on me that surely C-11 must have their own technicians who already did this kind of thing. Why was I being asked to do this?

My suspicions were further aroused when I was taken to the house where he wanted the cameras fitted and seemed to have full access to the property which I think was in the Ealing area. The area where I fitted the cameras was in the bedroom and both faced the bed which I thought was very suspicious. He got me to hide one in a speaker and the other was in a cupboard.

As he was a fairly high ranking police officer I accepted this was official police business but I was left wondering.

He did pay me for the cameras but not as I had expected by me giving him a bill and getting a cheque from the Met, he paid me in cash. Hardly surprising if the jobs weren’t Kosher as I’m sure they weren’t now.

On the next job he wanted me to fit cameras at a gay night club called Heaven in central London. I told him I needed to see exactly where they would have to go and so he took me to the venue where something strange happened.

The place was closed to the public as it was around midday but when we got there he was spotted by another man who was very obviously gay and very obviously acquainted with Trevor and tried to talk to him. Trevor almost launched at this guy and seemed to be caught completely off guard. He told him not to speak to him, pushed him away quite violently and seemed highly embarrassed that I had seen this.

I asked Trevor what it was all about but he ignored me and told me the job had suddenly been cancelled. He took me back to my flat and I didn’t see or hear from him for several weeks. He seemed very annoyed and upset. Almost like his cover had been blown.

I don’t remember the time frame but TLH worked for a while at a place above Chalk Farm underground station that he later showed me around. It turned out to be the base for the Met police Stolen Car Squad. I always thought it was odd to be transferred from Criminal Intelligence branch to Stolen Car Squad and wondered if it was a demotion. I think he later returned to C-11 as a Commander but by then he only drove his own car which was a maroon Triumph 2.5.

Trevor Lloyd-Hughes in his personal car  (Photo copyright is Tony’s published with his permission) The car in the photo is Triumph 2.5 taken in about 1981, probably taken in Golders Green.

Chalk Farm Underground – (Photo from the internet)

This is where Trevor worked when he was at the Met’s Stolen car Squad in Chalk Farm North London. Behind the underground station is a garage where they kept all the recovered vehicles that had been previously stolen. If I remember correctly the offices they used are the ones with the windows above the station itself. I visited there once with Trevor and there was a heck of a lot of nice expensive cars. Access to the garage is from behind the underground station and to the left.

I remember Trevor once telling me about an incident at Buckingham Palace that was in the news. A guy by the name of Michael Fagan had been apprehended attempting to get in to the palace. When I spoke to Trevor about it he told me what had actually happened. According to him Fagan was a regular “guest” at the behest of Commander Michael Trestrail the Queens bodyguard. According to Trevor, Fagan was a “rent boy” and did not climb into the palace but entered with Trestrail. On this occasion he wandered off much to the alarm of Trestrail.

He was discovered in the Queens bedroom and was arrested and taken away. Trevor had some input into Fagan’s case as well when it went to court. I believe Commander Trestrail was “outed” sometime after this event took place and either resigned or was kicked out. According to Trevor the story in the press was false and concocted by him and Fagan.

Trevor Lloyd-Hughes about 1981 (Photo copyright Tony, published with his permission)

I ended our friendship when Trevor attempted to get me into Mike Lewis’s house and get my clothes off. I was probably about 18 or 19. The room had many “items” of a sexual nature in, things like collar and whip and handcuffs. I just thought to myself no one is going to be putting those on me. He was very determined and only stopped when I screamed at him and threatened to call my parents old neighbour in the street who worked for MI-5.

He stopped undressing me and I left immediately and didn’t hear from him for a long time. When he eventually called me he sounded very shaken. He asked me if I had reported the incident to the police and I said no I hadn’t. He asked if I had spoken to anyone about it and I again said no and told him to stop phoning me or I would actually report him. I hung up before he could say anymore and learned a bit later that he had died.

I honestly think he was into any boys that were older than 14/15. Who knows? I guess if he found the lad attractive he’d have gone for almost any age group. He liked me, of that I am certain but I think he was careful as he knew I was chatty with my spy neighbour and wasn’t sure if I talked to him about things.

I know that several times boys who he had an interest in had been arrested by police and Trevor had arranged to “take care” of the arrest and ultimately got them released by saying they were assisting C-11 in their investigations. This may have been the case but I’d bet real money it was a lie and then the boys owed him.

I find it strange that his wife, who I assume is long dead never pinged him as gay, which in my opinion and experience with him he most certainly seemed to be. Perhaps she did know and in those days decided not to admit it due to embarrassment. I don’t know.

From the sort of things he used to do and tell me I would venture he was corrupt. I think toward the end the Met police thought so too hence the investigations. The thing is he was very, very careful not to compromise himself. Corrupt….yes absolutely. Gay…that too.

On several occasions we filled up his RS2000 police car at a garage south of the river that I discovered was used, exclusively I was told, by MI-5 The Security Service. That location has since been demolished, but these pictures show it.

                                                            Garage street view

                                                              Garage Aerial view

We also went to a nondescript building no more than 2 or 3 stories high not far from the south side embankment somewhere between Brixton and Vauxhall bridges I think, that was also used by MI-5. I have been told it was some kind of technical development branch. He went in, I did not.

Now here is the bit you might find disturbing. The boy who I met when first introduced to Trevor, and I am absolutely sure about this, was Martin Allen.

Martin Allen went missing and as far as I know has never been found. When I first went poking around looking for information on TLH I came across all the stuff about Dolphin Court, then the Krays and then I saw the photo of Martin Allen and suddenly a lot of pieces suddenly fell into place.

I think I missed a bullet when I allowed Trevor Lloyd-Hughes to befriend me. I have a horrible feeling he might have had something to do with Martin Allen’s disappearance. When I saw Allen’s photo on the internet article my skin went cold and I suddenly realised that it could have been me!

Lloyd-Hughes had the power position within the police service. He knew and mixed with various Lords and upper echelon politicians who I later learned were implicated in the Dolphin Court scandal. He worked in the shady area of Criminal Intelligence and was to all intents and purposes untouchable.

Trevor had some connection with Sir Anthony Blunt, the Queen’s art historian.  I have no knowledge of what that connection was, except that Trevor and I went to a place along Edgware Road where he went to see Blunt. It was a short meeting and he never spoke of it on the way back. He mentioned some other politicians and there was one Lord with whom he was chummy with but I cannot recall his name at the moment.

Another snippet I remembered was regarding a Porsche sports car I bought at some point prior to TLH’s death. I had bought this car from a, what turned out to be, dodgy dealership in Finchley North London. TLH somehow found out and called me. He was working at the time with Stolen Car Squad at Chalk Farm and told me that he was going to raid the place in the next few days and that my car was in fact a stolen vehicle.

He said that once they had all been arrested my chance of getting my money back would be gone so I should go round there as soon as possible. I said on what basis are they going to give me my money back and he told me that my car had been stolen in Holland (it was left hand drive) and that the engine was from yet another stolen vehicle, so I should tell them I had taken it to Porsche official dealership and they had spotted the wrong engine. He said if they refuse to pay me back and take back the car to tell them I’d go to the police. I did this and although some scary people can out of the woodwork they did in fact give me my money back. TLH and his merry men then raided the place and arrested them all.

As far as I can recollect the only youngster I ever saw with Trevor was Martin that day at Lewis’s place. There were a couple of older lads that I saw him with but I was never introduced and never spoke with them. They looked like the type that I wouldn’t want to know. They were a bit rough and were of the skin-head type.

I have tried to get the police interested in this but the shutters come down. A former Met officer who I knew very well warned me that there are still some very unsavoury characters out there who would go to great lengths to stop the truth getting out.

Lewis I am told has died. I have no further information except that he apparently moved from London down to the south coast.”

  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] 2018 Jul 1 cathy fox blog TLH 1 – Trevor Lloyd-Hughes, Met Police. Summary of Information https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2018/07/01/tlh-1-trevor-lloyd-hughes-met-police-summary-of-information/

Let justice be done though the heavens fall – Fiat justitia ruat cælum

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TLH 1 – Trevor Lloyd-Hughes, Met Police. Summary of Information

Not much is known about Trevor Lloyd-Hughes (TLH) despite his importance to the various matters surrounding child abuse.

Here is a summary of what this blog has found to be available on TLH, so far, before I publish a persons story who knew TLH in a couple of days.

Trevor Lloyd-Hughes (TLH) according to the News of the World, was found in the address books of at least two teenage boy prostitutes and also by anti corruption detectives investigating links between gay police and a firm of private detectives.

 

This raises many questions, amongst which are –

  • Was TLH gay?
  • Was he corrupt?
  • Was he involved in sexual abuse?
  • Who were the firm of private detectives and what were the links with gay police?
  • Why was the young officer suspended?
  • What was this “secrets for gay sex scandal” and who was involved?
  • Was TLH heading Operation Circus?
  • What was the truth about TLH being investigated by anti-corruption police?
  • Was TLH’s death suspicious?

Can we trust the NOTW story?

  • The News of the World was owned by Rupert Murdoch and not perhaps the most trustworthy newspaper.
  • Alex Marunchuk has had his own credibility problems getting stories from phone hacking
  • Marunchuk it turns out was also working as a Ukranian interpreter for the police [13]
  • Tom Crone the NOTW lawyer, of course had the usual lawyerly blind eye that phone hacking was even happening.

TLH apparently claimed he was not gay, told his solicitors to sue if this was published. He then died and libel not being an option, his wife complained to the IPCC about the NOTW article which appeared shortly after his death. (click to enlarge)

The Press Council report says

  • Solicitors said TLH was never subject to formal investigation or suspension as a result of allegations, which had come to attention of senior officers
  • Mr Ellis for Deputy Assistant Commissioner DJ O’Dowd denied that TLH was under formal or informal investigation about any of the NOTW revelations.
  • DM Williams acting Assistant Director Director of Public Prosecutions, said there was no suggestion that TLH was involved in gay police investigation private investigators scandal in which police swapped sexual favours for information from police computers. Also that TLH’s home telephone number was not found in the address book of the suspended homosexual officer
  • TLH allegations had come to attention of senior officers. How?

Thus there is conflicting information and also some that may appear conflicting but may be carefully drafted to deceive.

Note also that the DPP at the time was Thomas Hetherington who has form for not prosecuting child abuse and was also said to have obstructed Operation Countryman [15]

So where do we find the truth?

I am not going to speculate and try and find the truth between a whole bunch of poor quality, conflicted, biased sources and some malevolent actors.

However tomorrow I shall release the story from a person who knew TLH and it throws further light and information on Lloyd-Hughes and some of the issues.

There is also this Mail article from 2016 which covers Lloyd-Hughes – 2016 Jan 23 Daily Mail Scotland Yard detective: I was told to ignore ‘meat rack’ VIPs during paedophile probe [5] 

Former Chief Inspector Howard Groves claims he was told to ignore VIPs during a paedophile probe now being investigated by the police watchdog. He believes that the order came from Lloyd-Hughes who the paper says the Operation was led by Trevor Lloyd-Hughes.

Police have refused to give much information at all out about Operation Circus, indicating it is a sensitive area that they may wish to keep hidden from the public eye eg 2013 WDTK FOI Operation Circus [9] 2016 WDTK FOI Operation Circus [8]

This Mail article is confusing, and it invites a few questions.

Was Lloyd-Hughes the senior investigation officer (SIO) for Operation Circus or something else to do with the operation? If so what?

Was TLH pulling strings in whatever form in Operation Circus (Operation Circus in the 1980s was investigating homosexual involvement in child abuse at Piccadilly Circus)….

….whilst being investigated by anticorruption police (who were investigating links between gay officers and a private investigations firm and a gay sex for secrets scandal involving the police national computer)?

Further research needs to be carried out on this.

It would however explain why Police seem even more reticent than normal not to give out  information on Operation Circus. As they refuse to give much information about Operation Circus we cannot tell.

 

  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] 1986 May 11 News of the World Scandal Of Top Cop And Rent Boys via 2014 Spotlight on Abuse https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/scandal-of-top-cop-and-rent-boys-11-05-86/#comments%C2%A0

[2] 1987 TLH Press Council Complaint Annual Report of Press Council https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFUd0QvXoAA_YEb.jpg:large

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[5] 2016 Jan 23 Daily Mail Scotland Yard detective: I was told to ignore ‘meat rack’ VIPs during paedophile probe https://archive.is/XEpTH

[6] 2016 Jan 24 cathy fox blog Paedophilia around Piccadilly Part 5 1980s and Operation Circus https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/paedophilia-around-piccadilly-part-5-1980s-and-operation-circus/

[7] 2015 May 26 cathy fox blog Paedophilia around Piccadilly Part 4 Playland Trial and Cover up https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/paedophilia-around-piccadilly-part-4-playland-trial-and-cover-up/

[8] 2016 WDTK foi Operation Circus MWalkerdine https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/operation_circus_request#incoming-816762

[9] 2013 WDTK FOI  Operation Circus Scot https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/childabuseoperation_operation_ci#incoming-456276

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[11] Bits of Books Blog https://bitsofbooksblog.wordpress.com/1986-90/ Scandal Of Top Cop And Rent Boys (11.05.86) News of the World, 11th May 1986 – Commander  Trevor Lloyd-Hughes (who had written the report on Fagan’s break in just after the Elm Guest House raid but just before the media started to report in August has now risen in rank). His widow complains to the Press Council and it is upheld.

[12] 2015 Jan MET POLICE- RENT BOY RINGS,1986 + SIR DAVID VENESS,PRINCESS DIANA,MARTIN ALLEN  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qivK0RBKqoE Commander Trevor Lloyd-Hughes died 1986-his name was in the address books of several rent boys. He was also in the “STOLEN VEHICLES” division. He worked with met police negotiator DAVE VENESS during the 1980 Iranian embassy siege. Veness also worked on the 1979 MARTIN ALLEN disappearance. Veness later worked on security in the royal household,and gave evidence at the 2006 DIANA INQUEST and had close contact with MI5/MI6. He is considered to be one of the “UNTOUCHABLES”. Stolen Vehicles is something that repeatedly crops up in VIP child abuse investigations. Join the dots. Paedophile Sidney Cooke, too.

[13] 2011 Jul 19 Telegraph Phone Hacking: News of the World executive ‘worked as police translator’ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8646307/Phone-Hacking-News-of-the-World-executive-worked-as-police-translator.html

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[15] 2016 Mar 5 cathy fox blog  Operation Countryman https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2016/03/05/operation-countryman/

 

Let justice be done though the heavens fall – Fiat justitia ruat cælum

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A POLICE WHISTLEBLOWER SPEAKS – JOHN WEDGER

This is a reblog from sceptics pegs blog. Great work transcribing. Please visit her site which is one of the best against child abuse and can be seen via this link  Sceptic Peg A WHISTLEBLOWER SPEAKS: John Wedger – “This goes right to the top…” [1]

This shows how far the cover up of child abuse goes and what happens when you expose child abuse and go up against the “system”, the “power elite” who are ill with psychopathy and abuse children and use Government systems and machinery to aid and abet child abuse and to cover it up.

A WHISTLEBLOWER SPEAKS

JOHN WEDGER

International Tribunal for Natural Justice

Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse

“This goes right to the top…” 

I previously covered an interview that John Wedger gave to Brian Gerrish of UK Column regarding his claims of corruption within the police when it came to tackling child sexual abuse.  His interview makes astonishing listening – you can listen to it here, or read the transcript I made here.


“Where the real fear lies is this young child laying in a kid’s home at night and they’re coming and they’re taking the blankets from over him – that’s the real fear.”John Wedger

John has since appeared in front of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice and follows is a transcript of what he had to say.

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INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL FOR NATURAL JUSTICE (ITNJ)

Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse

THE WESTMINSTER SEATINGS

APRIL 16th-18th 2018

John Wedger – Police Whistleblower

  • John Wedger (JW): Evidence
  • Sacha Stone (SS): Trustee Emeritus

 

  • SS: JW is a police whistleblower.  As a CID officer, he discovered back coverings on child sex networks which led to an investigative inquiry by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) delving into the depths of police involvement.  He is one of the bravest men in the country today by many peoples’ reckoning.  JW, thank you for joining us.  Please speak freely to the Commission.
  • JW: I’m recently retired from the Metropolitan Police (MP), where I served as a detective.  I specialised in child abuse investigations, and what is relevant to me being here today was my service whilst on the Specialist Vice Unit (SVU).  I had been asked to look into allegations made by a 14-year old girl that she is being used as a prostitute.  I’m looking into it, it appeared that this girl was one of many.  She gave me a name of another girl, who in turn gave me a name of another, who in turn gave me another and it just spiralled.  Very, very quickly we had dozens of young kids aged from nine to 14-years old, all of them were subject to care orders – either looked after, or in placements, homes or whatever – but all known to the social services.  A lot of them were known to the police for being missing persons and everything else, and all of them were addicted to crack cocaine and heroin, and were all being pimped out, as the term goes, by one person which was a female prostitute who was very well known to the Met Police and this woman had alleged connections with high ranked officers, also a local magistrate and someone who was high up… executive status in the BBC.  This woman seemed to act with impunity for many years and when looking into it, this actual racket had been going on for a long, long time.  What I did was, I exposed my findings.  I committed them to paper in what was just a basic intelligence report and I took it to a senior officer and… what I must say is that this isn’t the first time that I had been shut down for exposing child abuse offences.  A couple of years prior to that – if I may jump the timeline – I was on an inquiry looking into transient paedophiles that had failed to register and I found out that they were residing on canal boats within the inland waterway network of the UK.  I had information from within the Prison Service that there were two paedophiles that were living on boats.  Now boats had a lot of poignancy, in as much as there was freedom to travel, the canal network was very, very old and therefore didn’t get policed, and children like boats and the BBC had a programme at the time which was to do with two little dolls that lived on a canal boat called Rosie and Jim and it was tied in at the same time as I was looking into this, so kids were drawn to the waterways.  I’ll get back to the main story, but the reason for telling this bit was that I was told that there was two sex offenders, I was asked to look into it as a Field Intelligence Officer and if I found another two within a set period of time they’d be happy.  Within that period of time I had found 90.  I came into work and I was told by a high ranking officer that the inquiry had been shut down and the reason given was that they couldn’t afford the funding for me, but I had been approached by a Scotland Yard Detective who said: “When you investigate any crime and you do well at it, you get praised.  When you look into child abuse cases, the opposite happens – be very careful.”  He then told me about a Cabinet minister that they had investigated on a few occasions and on each occasion they had been shut down, so I was aware that this had gone on and I questioned the senior officer about the real reason and he told me: “John, I’m so sorry, it’s come from high up and there’s nothing I can do,” and promised me any job I wanted, so I moved on to the Vice Unit. (4:36)
  • So I was expecting to be praised for what I found out.  Each day a new child would be found and it was just spiralling.  I was brought before someone who is now a very, very high ranked officer in the UK indeed, and he sat me down and he said: “John, I’ve got to be very upfront with you,” and I said: “well I’d like to be upfront with you, governor, as well.”  He said: “You, out of all the officers I’ve got here, (there was about 40 officers) you’re the second best one I’ve got,” which was a good accolade, but he said: “unfortunately you’ve dug too deep.  What the hell have you done?” (5:13)
  • Now, on a personal level, since the beginning of 2000 I’ve bought up four children on my own and this was common knowledge within my unit, and he said to me: “If you ever disclose what you’ve found out, you will lose your home, your children and your job.  You must shut the eff up.  You will be thrown to the wolves.  You have no idea who and what you are dealing with.  I’m warning you now, you MUST back away.”  Then he said something quite strange.  He said that: “If you say a word of this, and even if you make a complaint, it will come back to me and it will go in the bin.  I, and no one else, will ever betray fellow rank.  Shut your mouth.”  So I walked away from that investigation and I moved on.  I was offered to stay but I couldn’t.  What was very strange was that the main witness – the young girl that came forward – was found dead in the street very shortly afterwards from a suspicious drug overdose, which sort of compounded matters. (6:19)
  • I then moved on to work on child abuse investigations, which is slightly different to vice, and I can, if I have the time, explain why there is this compartmentalisation within these institutions, and it’s all down to remits and justifiable reasons for actually doing nothing, as opposed to doing something.  I went on to a child abuse unit in one of the poorer boroughs of London, and I was asked if I would like, as well as an investigator, to take on a second role dealing with various issues they have, and I was told I’d get a day where you’ll have to go to a meeting, and I asked to look into… if there was anyone dealing with children’s’ homes.  I was told “no, there was an officer that was dealing with children’s’ homes but she left two years ago and she didn’t do anything anyway because nothing happened, so there’s no problem.”  I asked this sergeant: “Are there any problems with child prostitution within the kids’ homes?” and he said: “What are you on about? No, of course not.”  I got a list – and this was almost real time as I’m telling it now – I got a list faxed through to me from social services with all the children’s’ homes (there were 26 kids’ homes), I picked up the phone and I spoke to the fella and I asked him how many kids they have, and on an average there’s about five children residing in these children’s’ homes.  I said: “I’m not pointing the finger, no one is in any trouble.  How many of these children do you lose at the weekend?” (which is the usual pattern of the missing, you know, when kids go missing.)  He said: “Out of the five, we lose three.”  I said: “Now honestly, what happens to them?” and he went: “Oh, they’re being pimped out.”  So I found that this officer who had dealt with it for years had found none.  Within… honestly, this was the time period as we are speaking now, within a few minutes I found three.  By the end of that day I had found six.  By the end of three days, five days, I had found 50. (8:15)
  • I held a meeting with all the concerned agencies, which involved charities, which involved NGO’s, which involved social services, and I highlighted the problem and I was then harangued really.  I was attacked verbally by the head of children’s services for this borough, who said to me: “What the effing hell have you done?”  I said: “well you knew about these kids,” and he said: “yeah, but they haven’t come to notice so we aren’t worried.”  Children were making money so therefore the children weren’t worried.  The children had a boyfriend which was their pimp, therefore they thought this was love, and the children were also using drugs, so therefore they want to continue to use drugs so they weren’t coming to notice, so social services had written them off despite the fact that the children’s homes would constantly be getting the logs that they were being picked up and they were going missing – these were regular missing persons.  The police have a missing persons unit.  They say so many thousands of kids go missing every year.  They do, but so many thousand do return but what is never looked in to is what happens when they are going missing.  They are working as prostitutes. (9:20)
  • And again, the child abuse units won’t look into them because they say it’s not inter-familial because it’s someone else pimping them out.  The bigger cities have vice units but vice units will not deal with them because they say that these are kids subject to care orders, so no one looks into it and it goes on and it festers.  Funnily enough, after this meeting I was shut down and moved again.(9.53)
  • I then came forward a couple of years later.  I was actually genuinely concerned that I would lose my children.  I know how powerful the police are and I know what they are capable of, having worked with them.  I blew the whistle a few years ago and I was told that my allegations would be taken at the highest level.  I asked to speak to a high ranked female detective and this was questioned, and then they did get the high rank female detective and she said to me: “Why are you talking to me and no one else?” and I said: “because you cannot roll up your trouser leg,” and she said: “I understand exactly what you mean.”  (For info, JW is referring to Freemasonry.)  They instigated allegations of corruption against high ranked officers.  When you investigate these crimes as a witness and information as I was, you’re meant to get regular updates every 28 days.  I never received one in three years.  The matter was passed from one unit to another unit.  It ended up with the IPCC, who again did nothing and failed to update me despite the fact they have corroborating evidence. (11:03)
  • I met with other police whistleblowers and a few concerned MPs.  One of them was a lady called Maggie Oliver, who had exposed the scandal in Rochdale.  Another one was a man called Lennie Harper, who had exposed the horrendous goings-ons at a kid’s home called Haut de la Garenne in Jersey.  Each one of them echoed each other – they both said: “they’re gonna come for you and they will come hard,” and I said: “what do I expect” and they said: “you will be served with gross misconduct papers.  You will be interviewed, they will find against you, you will be sacked and you will probably face a court case and may go to jail.”  Now, the threats that was echoed to me was that you will lose your home, your job, your children.  At the same time, the police stopped paying me – I went without wages for nearly three years and I had four children at home.  Then what happened was that they served me with gross misconduct papers and I was told what it would be for would be for data protection violations, which seems to be a common occurrence.  I got served with numerous data protection violations, each one could have given me a two-year prison sentence, and this continued and continued.  Now, what also happened during this period was that one of my children was involved in a life-changing and catastrophic accident in which he was initially declared dead and they revived him, he was on life support for many, many months.  I got a call from the hospital to attend the hospital, where they had actually lost him – he had been dead for ten minutes.  I was called down to the hospital to basically identify him.  I turned up and they had actually revived him in this period but they deemed him as brain dead, although he was on full 100% life support.  A colleague of mine was so concerned  as I had no money and for three days I slept in my car and stayed by my son’s side.  My son actually made signs of life and I was able to return home, but my colleague had brought this to the attention of senior officers, saying, you know, you’ve got to help this man, he’s actually done nothing wrong.  The Met Police’s response to this when I got home… they had sent two child protection officers round to interview my youngest boy on allegations that I had left him home alone whilst I was with my dying son. (13:14)
  • So the threats of ‘you’ll lose your home, your job and your children’ rang true.  I persisted.  I refused to give up and I set up a forum, a working group with all the police whistleblowers, and it extended and it branched out.  The IPCC stopped investigating the crime.  I was meant to be given a full breakdown of what went on and I was given a one-paragraph letter and told not to contact them again, ‘we’re not investigating it.’  Their answer was that the three high ranking officers that I’d accused of corruption, they went and spoke to them and they denied it and that was the extent of their investigation, and all them years as an investigator, I’ve been doing it wrong – you’ve just gotta ask someone if they’ve done it and if they say “no” then that’s it.  That is what they expected me to swallow and told me not to contact them again. (14:34)
  • I took the matter to the Policing Minister at the time – a member of the Privy Council and a member of the government’s Cabinet.  He met with me and he was actually, to my surprise, appalled.  He arranged for a meeting with the Home Office.  The Home Office then got their independent investigation team involved and stated that there will an independent investigation to my claims, and they deemed that the Met Police and the IPCC had failed and they would look into it.  I was summoned to a meeting and it was a fully recorded meeting and it was witnessed, and in which the Cabinet Minister handed my paperwork over to the Home Office officials and that was an official handover of the paperwork, which I supplied to him.  They then gave me their assurances that they will be in touch with me again, they gave me a 24-hour contact number and said that they will investigate this independently.  I never heard from them again.  They have since denied receiving any paperwork.  When pushed, they admitted they did receive it but have now lost it. (15:46)
  • We are seeing police failings in respect of child prostitution hemorrhaging in this country, but we are seeing them on a provincial level – we’re seeing them in Rochdale, Blackpool, Rotherham, we’re seeing them in Oxford, Aylesbury, Swindon – all on a provincial level.  London is one of the largest urban concentrations in the Western world – it has got one of the biggest police forces – we haven’t heard one thing about organised child prostitution in London, and the reason being is that those high up have been covering it up and this goes right to the heart… I was, erm, I met with, as I said, Lennie Harper.  Children were killed at Haut de la Garenne, which Lennie Harper had forensic evidence of, which then went missing.  He said to me: “Be careful.  What you’re looking at will go right to the heart of the establishment.” (16:44)
  • I sat down with the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Cressida Dick, and I explained to her what was going on, and I explained the dynamics of how you groom a child.  I said: “I can take a child out of the care system, I can groom that child, I can have sex with that child, I can get my friends to have sex with that child, I can pimp that child out.  You have not appointed one officer to investigate that, yet if I leant over my fence and called my neighbour a derogatory term, I lose my home, my job, I’ll be signing on a register, and I’d never work for the Met Police again.  How is that justifiable?  How is it justifiable?” (17:20)
  • I now work with victims and survivors of abuse.  I help out with recovering alcoholics and drug addicts.  I’m working in collusion now with one of the most notorious gangsters that the UK had, the convicted murderer Chris Lambrianou, and I’ve never had such support and compassion from these people, yet the police would have had me swinging from a rope if they’d had their own way. (17:52)
  • When we look at our Prison Service, we look at our prison system, 75% of inmates are illiterate.  This is in the UK – they’re illiterate.  75% of our inmates have come from abused backgrounds.  We have a recidivism rate of 75%.  The system does not work.  Child abuse is at the root of all of this.  Child abuse units, when I was on them – I’ve worked on many specialist units in the police, I’ve worked on units that have been anti government, I’ve worked on units that have been financial crime, you get given a car, you get given an expense account, you get given unlimited overtime – when I was on child abuse we had a car between ten of us.  I worked with three alcoholics because the work was so horrendous and impactive.  We had no respite, we were worked till we were dropping, and we were… we had appointments to see psychiatrists every six months but they wouldn’t sign us off, they would keep us going, saying “Oh, you’re alright, you’re alright, keep going, keep going…” They deliberately underfund anything to do with child abuse – deliberately – and it’s done for a reason. (19:07)
  • I had many informants that came from the street.  They were beggars, they were drug addicts, they had all been sexually abused as children.  One of them told me of a scenario when he was in a kid’s home at the age of four.  He was raped on his first night by a Catholic priest, he then went on to be raped daily and whipped and beaten.  He become a drug addict and he ended up as a rent boy on the streets in an area of the West End where I used to work as a vice copper, and that was classed as the ‘meat rack’ at Piccadilly Circus, where young boys were openly picked up for the purpose of prostitution.  It was known about.  He went to get in a car and he was in trouble and he needed drugs, or he needed the money.  He had a pimp, and he said “A pimp weren’t a bad thing.  A pimp actually looked after me.  I was safer with a pimp on the street then I was in a kid’s home.”  He went to get into a car which was a white Rolls Royce with two men in it, and his pimp said “Don’t go in that car.  The last two boys who went in there, they killed ’em.  We never saw them again.”  He gesticulated to the driver to drive round the block and the pimp didn’t see this, the pimp thought he’d walked away but he didn’t, he got in the car.  He was then taken to a very affluent part of London called Hampstead.  He was then subjected to three days of torture and sexual violence which, he said, he knew that they’d killed him.  He said that they dumped his lifeless body on Hampstead Heath by the Royal Free Hospital, believing he was dead, and he said: “what shocked me more, John, was the fact that these two men were well dressed, they had a big house and they were actually getting ready to go to their neice’s wedding whilst they were dropping my lifeless body off… perceived lifeless body off… on a bit of heath ground.”  Yet it goes on consistently, consistently.  (20:55)
  • Back in 2003, the Justice system brought in what they called ‘the Bad Character Act.’  Before, you could never bring in someone’s previous convictions within a legal trial within the UK unless it was a very, very serious one, and then it was very difficult – there were too many legal parameters.  They brought this in and everyone thought that it was a coup, it was a step forward in gaining justice, but when you commit minor acts of shoplifting, it’s dishonest crime.  You are then deemed a dishonest person.  Every person I dealt with, every street person, every crack-taking prostitute had been abused as a child.  They all committed dishonest crime to stay alive.  They’ve shoplifted, they’ve pimped themselves, whatever they did they did it to survive to buy their drugs to carry on, so whenever they were brought into a trial as a witness, they were instantly deemed as dishonest and this is what we’re seeing now when people are coming forward – they’re rubbished and they’re broken. (21:59)
  • One of the starting things that occurred was, back in the beginning of 2000 they brought over Mayor Giuliani from New York to preach to us on the thing called ‘the broken window theory’, and what his theory was, was that if there was an area of depravity that had a broken window or a damaged bus shelter, clean it up, smarten it up.  You won’t get your drug dealers, you won’t get your shop lifters, you won’t get, you know, your robberies and all these crimes that are in the periphery around poverty and everything else, and therefore your society gets better.  Smarten these broken windows up.  It was naive at the least.  Where is this timeline taken back?  The fact is they’re doing drugs because they’re paying for heroin.  They’re on heroin because heroin is an analgesic, it’s a painkiller.  Pain can be mental, emotional, as well as physical and the majority of them were there doing the drugs because they come from the care system – the care system that had appallingly let them down – and that they had been sexually abused and they had no way of processing the damage that had been done to them. (23:06)
  • Our judicial system sets them up to fail.  It follows them through from cradle to grave.  These kids are known about yet nothing happens.  They grow up, they become bad in class, they become violent, they get reported to the social services, yet the problem is still not addressed.  They then commit minor acts and end up before the juvenile courts.  Again, nothing is done.  They commit, then, heavier acts – robberies or whatever – and end up before the magistrates courts, yet nothing is done.  They end up before the crown courts and ultimately they end up going before the coroner’s courts, yet throughout all this circle, nothing ever breaks it.  The people that are paid a good living wage to stop this are failing it, and sometimes it’s deliberate, and sometimes it’s ignorance. (23:57)
  • I’ve just come back from Rotherham, a town in a… a small steel town in the North West cluster of the UK.  I met with a social worker who had exposed the child prostitution problem.  She ran an outreach group and the kids would come into her and one would tell her and another would tell her, and she looked into it.  It was organised prostitution, it was a small little town… two thousand children were being pimped out.  She got attacked from the police, her husband nearly lost his job, it nearly brought her to the point of suicide, and this is what they do.  It’s orchestrated and it was manipulated at the highest echelons, and she said it was coming from the high ranking officers, and it was, but yet all they would offer up was the low ranking for some form of malfeasance or whatever.  But it is being orchestrated at the very top.  My investigations showed a strong link with high ranked officers and organised criminals.  I spoke with another child abuse investigator – quite a high ranked officer – I spoke to him from Manchester.  Again, he had a proven link between high ranked officers and organised criminals and child prostitution there.  (25:16)
  • We had a glimmer of hope in the form of a chief constable, a commissioner of police, for a county called Wiltshire.  The man’s name is Mike Veale.  He stood up and he investigated child prostitution, child trafficking, child abuse and everything else, but it involved former Prime Minister Sir Ted Heath.  He turned round in parliament and he said: “If they can attack me…,” (because he came under attack, and he said he came under attack from places he didn’t even know existed,) and he said: “If they can attack me, god knows what they will do to John Wedger” which, in a way was a bit of an accolade but… and I spoke to him and he said: “It’s just vile, John, it is vile.”  I then looked at how many police officers… a policeman’s biggest fear is going to prison and they know it, they know it.  This is deliberate.  What we’re looking at is deliberate.  I was a good guy.  When you’re a policeman you take an oath and your oath is ‘I will act without fear or without favour.’  Someone said to me: “John, do not base your own bravery on others.  Don’t judge others for the lack of bravery or commitment shown.”  I do not see myself as brave.  I see myself as a man who believes in protecting the vulnerable, doing God’s work and doing what my oath said – to act without fear or without favour.  They are going against their oath and I said: “We will look at this word ‘fear’ shall we?  What are they frightened of?  Telling the truth?”  Where the real fear lies is this young child laying in a kid’s home at night and they’re coming and they’re taking the blankets from over him – that’s the real fear.  We need to get a grip.  You come under attack – and you do come under attack – and it’s painful and it hurts and it does do its best to destroy you.  Maggie Oliver said to me: “John, I was going to prison.  The CPS turned round and said ‘we’ve got enough evidence, if you don’t come to some agreement to whatever, then you’re found guilty, then you will go to prison.”  She had to tell her children that she was going to prison.  The CPS, with me, in the end turned round and said: ‘John Wedger’s mitigation was so powerful we could never convict him.’  I said to them: “I committed my statement prior to any trial.  I wrote a statement and I gave it Cressida Dick and said “here’s my statement”, whatever you say I’ve done, I’ve done, I don’t care, but I will not be tried by you, I will be tried in a Crown court and I will be tried by my peers and I will be tried fairly.”  I have done nothing wrong and I listed every single person from the bottom right the way up to the top who was involved, who knew about it, who did nothing, who then did nothing.  This went right up to Bernard Hogan Howe and now to Cressida Dick.  Bernard Hogan Howe knew about this.  The campaign of bullying of me was orchestrated under his command.  He has now been appointed by the House of Lords to look into child grooming gangs and how they existed.  Well I might save him the trouble.  I can do that for him.  You know, it is wrong, it is wrong.  They’re looking now… I was asked to make an address to Lord Pearson‘s office regarding the presence of grooming gangs and how it works and the mechanics of it all.  They’re looking at it from a very sort of, erm, religious background – that it’s Muslim gangs.  This is a bigger picture.  Kids are a commodity, and one of the things which I want to refer back to is yourself commissioner, to my right, mentioned about the Marc Detroux… whenever I give a talk, you have to make things relevant.  The Third World and how they’re dealing with things because there were different people, they looked different, they walked on a different side of the road, they were a different colour, let’s look at what we’ve got in our back yard, one of the countries which is demographically very similar to us is Belgium.  In living memory it went on in Belgium and it went on with Marc Dutroux, and the kids that came forward were so pigeon-holed in what they could talk about, anything that went outside of Marc Dutroux they weren’t allowed.  I think it was 23-25 civilian witnesses died in the lead up to the trial.  Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.  And then the people took the power back, they blew the windows out with the fire engines in the parliamentary office and then they sprayed horse manure all over the building and then they took to the streets, didn’t they?  Half a million people… And what do we do?  We only kick off when someone throws a cat in a wheelie bin.  If we allow our children to be attacked and preyed on in this way, we have failed as a decent and moral society and we are doing that and we are doing nothing and it has to stop.  I don’t want no glory but people like myself, we need backing and we need it.
  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] 2018 Jun 22 Sceptic Peg A WHISTLEBLOWER SPEAKS: John Wedger – “This goes right to the top…” scepticpeg.wordpress.com/2018/06/22/a-whistleblower-speaks-john-wedger-this-goes-right-to-the-top/

Let justice be done though the heavens fall – Fiat justitia ruat cælum

 

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Incoming Family Court President Misunderstands…..

People have been asking if I am ok as I have not posted for a while. I am ok, thanks for your concern.

This post from the excellent Reseaching Reform blog reveals worrying misunderstandings by the incoming President of Family Court Justice McFarlane. The original is here and is worth checking out, though I copy and past most below .. Incoming Family Court President Misunderstands nuances in care crisis  [1]

The next President of the Family Division, Justice McFarlane, has delivered a speech in response to the publication of the Care Crisis Review, in which he makes a series of blunders about the care system and the processes currently in use.

Whilst he rightly points out that the care system is in a state of crisis – CAFCASS figures for May 2018, record the second highest monthly figure for care applications ever received – McFarlane clearly fails to understand the complex nuances faced by children, families and practitioners inside the sector.

In his speech, which was written to coincide with the Review’s launch, he says, “thank heaven for…. the 26 weeks and the reform package that Sir James Munby so effectively introduced 5 years ago”. The result was that, when the rise in numbers began to kick in, the judges and the courts were “match-fit” to process and determine the applications in a timely manner.”

The truth is much less straightforward. Whilst the 26 week timetable was brought into effect to help speed up adoptions, primarily to prevent children from languishing inside the system, it did very little on that front, with many cases falling outside the suggested time frame, over and over again. Calls from inside the sector to remove the time frame, came from all corners – including a senior family law judge Researching Reform spoke with, who confirmed the worst: that the 26 week timetable was nothing more than a badge of honour for judges looking to get promotions, and was having a disastrous effect on truth and justice.

Social workers too, have begun to complain about the time limit, saying that it puts parents who are trying to turn their lives around in an impossible position, because the time frame is just too short for any real improvements to take place. Whilst the time frame gives judges the opportunity to speed through cases, and try to get matters off their desk, little else is being achieved. In reality, the time frame has done nothing for the Family Court’s problems, as it continues to be inundated with increasing numbers of care applications, or for children who could remain safely with their parents if time, and smart planning, were on their side.

Calling the system ‘Match-Fit’ is also telling. These cases are not matches, or sparring grounds for lawyers, though that’s how they are viewed by the legal sector. These cases represent people’s real lives, and the decisions made inside these courts will affect them and their children, forever.

The so-called reforms McFarlane alludes to, have also been useless. The starkest indication on that front lies in the ongoing, and rising, complaints against social workers, lawyers and councils, and the never ending ethics and legal breaches that are clearly documented, but never addressed, even when called out by Presidents inside the system.

Window dressing a system that has gone wild, is not the same as addressing problems and improving outcomes for everyone.

McFarlane also mentions the risk of future harm threshold, but his comments show that he is out of his depth on this topic. He glosses over this cornerstone of the Children Act 1989, which is an astounding piece of legislation for its focus on children and its elegant attempt to balance children’s rights with their best interests, but it is not flawless. The incoming President fails to pick up on the controversial ways in which future harm is interpreted, and the fuzzy quasi-definitions that never really offer a scientific take on the test.

Indeed, McFarlane seems particularly preoccupied with the 26 week timetable, choosing to make this element of the court system within public family law proceedings his focus, despite the Care Crisis Review covering a wide range of topics and issues within the care system. The entire speech reads like a superficial gloss by a President who still not does not have a global view of child welfare in Britain.

The Care Crisis Review is made up of eight reports, which you can access here. It offers 20 recommendations on how to improve the system, which include good practice, research, better communication with families and children and regular inspections. As wonderful as all that sounds, the ideas are not ground breaking, and will no doubt frustrate those inside the system who have known what needs to be done, and how to do it, for a long time.

For those of you who don’t want to wade through the 51 page Review, there is a helpful summary outlining the key recommendations.

We also recommend reading the Contributing Factors report, which looks at suggested factors relating to why children find themselves in care, and the variations across councils, of care applications and their duration.

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  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] 2018 Jun 13 Researching Reform Incoming Family Court President nuances in care crisis https://researchingreform.net/2018/06/13/incoming-family-court-president-misunderstands-nuances-in-care-crisis/

[A] Sanctuary for the Abused http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.co.uk/2006/07/for-survivors-coping-with-triggers-if.html

Let justice be done though the heavens fall – Fiat justitia ruat cælum

 

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Peter Jonathan Denby 1988 Jul 29 Court of Appeal

Jonathan Denby has long been a controversial figure for researchers in child abuse, due perhaps to his long friendship with Harvey Proctor.

Jonathan Denby is nephew and was raised by Sir Richard Denby, once a President of the Law Society.

Jonathan Denby is cousin to barrister Barbara Hewson. Hewson has been abusive to many child abuse victims (and amazingly it seems she is allowed to get away with it by the apparently supine and/ or spineless Bar Council and Twitter).

This appeal transcript throws a bit more light on the bizarre life he led alongside crime and criminals. He was perhaps lucky to get off lightly in this whole gun toting affair at policemen in court and at appeal, but it always helps to know legal establishment figures.

For much more on this incident, Denby’s life and relatives see Sceptic Pegs post HARVEY PROCTOR: Denby, Proctor & Powell  [3]

Redaction

Some court reports have had victims names redacted and some assault details redacted.

This is a difficult balance –  normally I would think that  I should not “censor” details but on consultation with various people I have taken the decision to redact. This is mainly to protect victims, their friends and relatives from unnecessary detail and to stop the gratification of those who seek salacious details.

In addition to the obvious “victims redaction” to protect victims details, there may also be “assault redaction” across most of the spectrum of abuse. The assaults are left in the charges, but mainly redacted when repeated with reference to the individual. I have also redacted unnecessary detail of assaults.

Redaction may obscure sometimes the legal reason for the appeal, but should make no large difference to the vital information for researchers that these documents contain. That vital information is mainly names of the perpetrators, past addresses, institutions where assaults occurred, the actual charges the perpetrators faced, and dates – on which newspapers are pathetically inaccurate and this information enables the links between people and places and abuse at various times to be ascertained.

Some transcripts may have been subject to automatic reading software and whilst effort has been made to correct these, the text should not be regarded as definitive.  Common mistakes in reprinting here are that quotation marks are sometimes not correct, replaced by odd symbols.

If you think that the balance is not correct or that a particular redaction needs reconsideration, please say.

This appeal is unredacted by cathy fox blog

Index of Newspaper and Journal articles on this blog [1]

Index of Court Appeals on this blog [2]

[1988] EWCA Crim J0729-23

No. 2266/F3/88

IN THE COURT OF APPEAL

Friday, 29th July 1988

Lord Justice Watkins

Regina

v.

Peter Jonathan Denby


(Transcript of the Shorthand Notes of Marten Walsh Cherer Ltd. Pemberton House, East Harding Street, London, EC4A 3AS. Telephone Number: 01-583 7635. Shorthand Writers to the Court.)

MR. R. DU CANN, Q.C. appeared on behalf of the Applicant.

JUDGMENT

(As approved by Judge)

MR. JUSTICE AULD: In the early hours of the morning on 3rd June 1986 the applicant, Peter Jonathan Denby, and two brothers, Phillip and James Callaghan, were sitting in a stationary Ford Sierra car in Down Street in Mayfair. Denby was sitting in the driver’s seat. Someone who had observed them thought they looked suspicious and telephoned the police. Two officers, Police Constables Johnson and Munro, went to investigate.

They began to question the men in the car. As they did so, each of the Callaghan brothers produced a pistol and threatened to shoot the officers. They made them lie down on the ground and took the keys to their police car and their personal radios. All the while the applicant Denby remained in the driver’s seat of the Ford car and, from what the officers were able to observe, he appeared to be afraid of the Callaghan brothers.

The incident ended with the Callaghan brothers getting back into the Ford car and Denby driving them away.

Before relating what happened next, I should explain how Denby, who is a solicitor, came to be sitting in the car with those two men that night. He was then aged 39, a partner in a firm of solicitors that he had established, called Denby & Co., with offices in the City. A young woman employee in his office was the girl friend of James Callaghan. Through her Denby met James Callaghan and later his brother Phillip. They had on occasions gone out together to drink in wine bars and public houses in the City, and had also been to clubs together. According to Denby the evening of 2nd June 1986 was just such an occasion. The three of them had been out for a drink and dinner. They then went to the Mayfair area to wait for Denby’s girl friend who worked as a hostess in a club. Their intention apparently was that she should join them when she finished work and that they should go on to another club. In fact the car in which they were sitting was one that she had hired shortly before that night.

I return now to what happened when Denby drove the two Callaghan brothers away after they had threatened the police officers.

He later explained that he had been taken by surprise by what had happened and had been in fear of them. He took them where they wanted to go. When he left them they threatened, he said, to kill him if he revealed their identities to the police. They obviously thought that they had not been identified by the two police officers themselves.

That morning (still the 3rd June) Denby went to work as usual, but met the two Callaghan brothers at lunch time. They asked him for money and threatened him with violence if he did not give it to them or if he revealed their involvement to the police. As a result he agreed to give them £500 that evening, and he did that. They then went into hiding.

The next or the following day Denby’s girl friend was traced by the police as the person who had hired the Ford Sierra car, and she was taken in for questioning. Denby thought that he would be the next one. So on 5th June he decided that he also should go into hiding, and did so. He later explained his decision by saying that he feared that, if arrested, he would have to reveal the identities of the two Callaghans, and that they would then have their revenge. He explained his dilemma to various friends. All of them advised him to go to the police. However, he could not bring himself to do so. There is no doubt, having regard to the evidence of prosecution witnesses called at the trial, that in the days after this incident, Denby did confide in a number of people telling them what had happened and expressing his concern as to what he should do.

On 6th June, by which time as I have said Denby had gone into hiding, James Callaghan made a further demand upon him for money. He did so through his girl friend, Denby’s employee. She told Denby’s personal secretary, Elaine Willis, that Callaghan wanted more money. This time figures of £2,000 or £2,500 were being demanded. She also told Elaine Willis that James Callaghan had threatened that if he did not get the money he would kill Denby and/or injure Elaine Willis.

Elaine Willis telephoned Denby and told him of this demand and of these threats. As a result he authorised her to make a payment to the Callaghans of what money there was in the office, some £500. That evening she took the £500 and gave it to James Callaghan’s girl friend, and she in turn handed it to Phillip Callaghan at London Bridge station that evening.

Denby then remained in hiding, and was not seen until 25th April 1987, nearly a year later, when he was found living in Yorkshire. There he was arrested.

In the meantime Phillip Callaghan had been arrested on 20th June 1986 and charged with a number of offences arising out of the events in Mayfair on 3rd June. His brother James was also arrested much later, but on another charge and under a different name. He committed suicide whilst remanded in custody.

Phillip Callaghan was indicted and tried on his own with making threats to kill the officers, robbery of their car keys, and having a firearm with intent to commit an indictable offence. On his conviction for those offences at the Central Criminal Court on 9th April 1987, he was sentenced to a total period of eight years’ imprisonment. He has now been given leave to appeal against that conviction.

Denby was arrested in Yorkshire, as I have said, shortly after that, on 25th April 1987. He faced initially three charges arising out of his alleged part in the incident in Mayfair on 3rd June 1986: first, having a firearm, that is to say jointly with the Callaghan brothers, with intent to commit an indictable offence; second, the dishonest handling of the police officer’s car keys, and third, assisting Phillip Callaghan to evade arrest by driving him and his brother away from the scene after threats to kill the police officers.

However, on the first day of the trial before His Honour Judge Coombe at the Central Criminal Court in March 1988, a fourth charge was added, that is to say assisting Phillip Callaghan to evade arrest by causing the second amount of £500 to which I have referred to be given to him, that is to say, assisting an offender contrary to section 4(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1967.

He pleaded not guilty to all four charges. On 22nd March 1988 he was acquitted of the original three counts in the indictment. As to the first charge, the firearms charge, his successful defence was that he had not been acting in concert with the Callaghans. As to the second, the alleged dishonesty in handling the police officers’ car keys, the jury was discharged from giving a verdict on that charge, because clearly that charge clearly fell with count 1. As to the third count, assisting the Callaghans by driving away after the incident, his defence had been one of duress and the jury acquitted him. Only on the fourth count of assisting Phillip Callaghan to evade arrest by causing him to be paid £500, was he convicted. For that offence he was sentenced to six months’ imprisonment, fined £15,000, that fine to be paid within six months with twelve months’ imprisonment in default. He was also ordered to pay £1,000 towards the prosecution costs.

He now applies for leave to appeal against that sentence, the application having been referred directly to the full Court by the Registrar of the Court.

In fact he has already been discharged from prison, because he had spent nearly three months in custody awaiting trial.

He is, as I have said, a solicitor, a man clearly of no previous convictions. His position following the commission of the offence had dramatically changed by the time he appeared before the Central Criminal Court. When he went into hiding in Yorkshire, he lost his substantial practice as a solicitor in London. He will almost certainly lose his profession as a solicitor.

Whilst in Yorkshire, where he lived in a rented house with a girl friend, he was living entirely on his savings. Shortly before his arrest in April 1987, he had started a business of letting holiday cottages, but was not earning any money out of it. Following his arrest and three months in custody, he was released on bail. He had a half share in a property worth about £400,000 and half the income from letting it, which was about £6,000 per annum. By the time of his trial he had no other assets or income.

The learned Judge in sentencing him said this: “…I proceed on the basis that you were not concerned with whatever wicked criminal plan the two Irishmen were involved in in the early hours of the 3rd June 1986.” He went on to say, “Whatever pressure may have been put on you, you had no excuse whatever for behaving in the way you did… the fact is that you gave money, whatever pressure may have been applied, and the jury …. rejected any question of duress. When you caused that money to be paid, you gave money to facilitate the escape of two very wicked gunmen who in the middle of Mayfair had produced guns and threatened and indeed terrified innocent policemen….”. The Judge went on to say that he would give the applicant whatever credit he could for the fact that the gunmen may have put pressure on him, but it went no further than that.

By his grounds of appeal, supplemented by submissions from his counsel today, the applicant contends that the fine of £15,000 should not have been imposed with a sentence of imprisonment in default. He was, it is alleged, an innocent witness to the original offence and, although the jury had rejected the defence of duress in relation to the fourth charge, there was an element of pressure there, which the Judge had recognised in his sentencing remarks.

It is also urged, and set out in his grounds of appeal, that he had suffered considerably as a result of these matters and independently of what the Court would do to him. He had gone into hiding, taken himself out of his profession, his career as a solicitor was at an end.

The applicant has undoubtedly suffered grievously as a result of his involvement with the two Callaghan brothers. He has lost his practice. He has lost, or will lose, his profession as a solicitor. The financial penalty he has suffered, and will suffer, will clearly be enormous. In those circumstances it is clear to this Court that it was wrong to impose upon this applicant, in addition to a period of imprisonment, a financial penalty. It may be that the period of imprisonment, which surely had to follow, could have been a longer one than the period of six months actually imposed. Counsel on his behalf suggests today that a period of twelve months’ imprisonment, half of which could be suspended, would have been appropriate. So far as it is of any relevance now, we would have thought a period of twelve months would probably have been right but we doubt whether it would have been right in the circumstances to have suspended any part of it.

Be that as it may, we grant the applicant leave to appeal against his sentence and, with consent of counsel, treat this as the hearing of the appeal. We shall quash the fine of £15,000 and the period of imprisonment in default. We also quash the order for costs. To that extent this appeal is allowed.

  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] Index of Newspaper and Journal articles on this blog https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/newspaper-stories-index-timeline/

[2] Index of Court Appeals EWCA on this blog https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/a-timeline-of-court-and-ewca-documentation-on-cathy-fox-blog/

[3] 2017 Sept 9 Sceptic Peg HARVEY PROCTOR: Denby, Proctor & Powell https://scepticpeg.wordpress.com/2017/09/09/denby-proctor-powell/

Let justice be done though the heavens fall – Fiat justitia ruat cælum

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Knottfield Inquiry Isle of Man – Standing Committee Report 3 May 2018

Unfortunately I have not been able to keep up with events and proceedings in the Knottfield Child Sexual Abuse Inquiry in the Isle of Man. However I have been told by inquiry clerk that:

In December 2017 the Chairman announced that Part 1 of the inquiry (historic reports) was suspended.
http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/OPHansardIndex1618/1510.pdf

In February 2018 an oral hearing was held in relation to Part 2 (current procedures)
http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/saprcca20180222.pdf

In March 2018 another oral hearing was held in relation to Part 2 (current procedures)
http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/saprcca180322.pdf

Also in March 2018 the suspension of Part 1 was lifted. The Chairman explained this in a statement in April 2018. http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/t180417.pdf (and scroll down to line 2640)

On 3 May 2018 an oral hearing was held in relation to Part 1 (historic reports). The audio for this hearing is available. The Hansard is currently available for the first two witnesses, while the third is in preparation and will be uploaded in the next few days all being well.
Audio: http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/listen/Pages/17-18.aspx
Hansard: http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/Pages/Committee.aspx

Further oral hearings are planned for Friday 18 May and Monday 21 May at which the Chief Constable and the Attorney General will appear.
http://www.tynwald.org.im/about/news/Pages/1836.aspx

Some documents are or will  be published here
http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/committee/SAPRC/Pages/PubEvd.aspx (and choose “Child abuse”)

I have copied below the transcript of the 3 May oral hearing in word format so that it can be more easily read on the blog, but due to time constraints will save my analysis for later. However Adrian Derbyshire writes about the Betrayal of Knottfield’s children in the IOM Today.  [1]

Residents of a former children’s home at the centre of historical sex abuse allegations say victims have been ignored.

They bravely agreed to give evidence in public to the Tynwald scrutiny committee which is investigating claims of child abuse at the former Knottfield home in Douglas, which closed in 1983.

One said they were giving evidence on behalf of two friends, fellow former Knottfield residents, who had taken their own lives. One of those took their own life since the inquiry began.

Last month it was announced that the director of prosecutions has decided that no further action be taken, apparently due to the age and health of the suspect, who is now in his 80s.

That’s a decision which has incensed former residents who say they were abused at Knottfield.

For more of this article from Adrian Derbyshire please go to this link [1]

The Knottfield children’s home which closed in 1983. Image: Manx National Heritage

 

My previous posts on the Isle of Man Child Abuse –

2015 May 25 Cathy Fox Blog Child Sexual Abuse in the Isle of Man [3]

2015 May 25  Cathy Fox Blog 10 Steps on How to Research Child Sexual Abuse in your area – A Rough Guide Uses IOM as an example [5] 

2016 Feb 15 Cathy Fox Blog IOM Child Sexual Abuse Update Feb 2016 [4] 

2016 Feb 16 Cathy Fox Blog  Isle of Man: Counselling for Victims / Survivors [2]

2017 Aug 3 Cathy Fox Blog Isle of Man Knottfield Child Sexual Abuse Investigation Aug 2017 [8]

2017 Aug 11 cathy fox blog Isle of Man – Paedophile Paradise for downloading child abuse pictures [7] 

2017 Oct 13 cathy fox blog Submissions to the Investigation into Knottfield Childrens Home, Isle of Man [6] 

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SOCIAL AFFAIRS

POLICY REVIEW COMMITTEE

Historical Child Abuse

HANSARD

Douglas, Thursday, 3rd May 2018

PP2018/0082 SAPRC-HCA, No. 1/2017-18

All published Official Reports can be found on the Tynwald website:
www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard

Published by the Office of the Clerk of Tynwald, Legislative Buildings,
Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man, IM1 3PW. © High Court of Tynwald, 2018

STANDING COMMITTEE, THURSDAY, 3rd MAY 2018

Members Present:

Chairman: Mr D C Cretney MLC
Ms J M Edge MHK

Clerk:

Mr J D C King

Contents

Procedural 3

EVIDENCE OF Mrs Christine Urquhart 3

The next witness was called at 10.40 a.m. 11

EVIDENCE OF Mr John Guest 12

The next witness was called at 11.14 a.m. 20

EVIDENCE OF Mrs Kerry Sharpe MLC 21

The Committee sat in private at 12.21 p.m. 34

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Standing Committee of Tynwald on

Social Affairs Policy Review

Historical Child Abuse

The Committee sat in public at 10 a.m.
in the Legislative Council Chamber,
Legislative Buildings, Douglas

[MR CRETNEY in the Chair]

Procedural

The Chairman (Mr Cretney): Welcome to this public meeting of the Social Affairs Policy Review Committee, which is a Standing Committee of Tynwald. I am David Cretney MLC and I chair this Committee. With me is Julie Edge MHK. The third member of this Committee is Mr Martyn Perkins MHK. He is not taking part in this inquiry, for reasons which I explained to

5 Tynwald in December 2017.

If we could all ensure that our mobile phones are off or on silent so that we do not have any

interruptions. For the purposes of Hansard I will be ensuring that we do not have two people

speaking at once.

The Social Affairs Policy Review Committee is one of the four Standing Committees of

10 Tynwald Court which scrutinise different areas of Government. We have three Departments to
cover: the Department of Home Affairs, the Department of Education, Sport and Culture and the Department of Health and Social Care.

It was resolved on 18th July 2017: ‘That Tynwald notes with concern reports of historical child abuse at the former Knottfield Children’s Home, which closed in 1983, and refers the

15 matter to the Social Affairs Policy Review Committee to report by December 2017; and further
instructs the Committee to investigate the adequacy of current procedures to protect from abuse children in care (looked after children) in the Isle of Man and to report in March 2018.’ Shortly after Tynwald made that resolution last July we invited people to come forward if they wanted to comment on these matters. As a result of that invitation we had face-to-face

20 meetings in private with 13 former residents of Knottfield and one former staff member. These
meetings took place in September and October.

On 30th November this part of the inquiry was suspended pending a criminal investigation. On 22nd March 2018 the criminal investigation was completed and this part of the inquiry was resumed.

25 Today we are sitting in public for the first time for this first part of the inquiry. I am very
grateful to the two individuals we are about to hear from for being willing to come and talk to us in this public forum: you are welcome.

EVIDENCE OF

Mrs Christine Urquhart

Q1. The Chairman: For the record, Christine, would you state your full name. And what would you like to say to us today, please?

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30 Mrs Urquhart: My name is Christine Urquhart and I was a resident of Knottfield Children’s

Home between 1978 and 1982. I am here today to speak on behalf of some of the victims.

First of all, I need to say thank you. I feel I need to thank the Isle of Man Government for creating this Committee and opening this review and finally acknowledging the victims of Knottfield Children’s Home publicly. With this review taking place, some of the victims feel that

35 they were finally being heard, that they were receiving validation for the atrocities that
happened to them within those walls of 96 Woodbourne Road, commonly known as Knottfield Children’s Home, at the hands of those who were supposed to be caring for them whilst they were already vulnerable children. The victims believed that finally the system was believing in them.

40 As you are aware, a majority of the victims have told their story many times to the authorities
around them. With this, each time the horrors came back to haunt them, the strength they were able to muster to come forward dissipated … was the reality of our legal system into their worlds. The disenchantment they felt whilst the system as a whole let them down only exasperated their lack of self-worth again. It established a pattern of not being able to believe in

45 a system that was supposed to be there to protect them – then when they were children and
now as recovering, trying to recover – and so enable them to seek the justice they so rightly deserved. And like I said, this disenchantment is now happening again.

Unfortunately, some of these victims are no longer with us to see this day, through either death of natural causes or otherwise, so please be mindful that you are doing this for them also,

50 and their families, and they must be acknowledged.

I was thankful but curious when this Review Committee was formed: initially thankful that the politicians were finally sitting up and listening and would hopefully allow the victims of Knottfield justice and eventually closure. However, I was hugely aware and concerned that the process was ill thought out and there was no care plan put in place for these victims.

55 When the Isle of Man Constabulary made a public statement requesting that the victims
come forward with their stories and statements I completely and absolutely understood the implications of that for many of them. It needs to be understood that when a victim recalls a traumatic event they unwittingly re-live that occurrence. This can continue through visions, feelings and nightmares for a long time after the initial talk with the Police or yourselves, the

60 Committee. So it was wholly disheartening that there was no care plan put in place at this point
in time, and due to this many victims suffered again and are still suffering now at the hands of the people, yet again, who are supposed to be there to protect them. I absolutely denounce this public call-out for victims to come forward, for I have experienced it myself. However, the Isle of Man Constabulary did put a care plan of sorts in place. Unfortunately, those who accessed this

65 service did not find it helpful at all.

So I hope this is a lesson learnt for the Police in how to deal with future victims of abuse and historical crimes. I dearly hope that with your new-learned experience of such crimes and the victims involved, which took place here on the Island, you now understand and acknowledge the absolute necessity for more investment in our over-capacity Mental Health Services. With this

70 review now taking place it absolutely gives you and our Government the opportunity to show
the people of the Isle of Man that you are supporting them. You are not only doing this review for the victims of Knottfield, but also for their families, as I have previously stated, their friends, the authorities who could not or would not act and the general public who are aware of all these atrocities. Take this time to prove to the Isle of Man’s citizens, but more importantly to these

75 victims, that you are finally on their side, that you are a people’s Government who were voted
into these seats by the people and must stand for these people.

Last month the victims were informed that yet again there would be no prosecution of the man who inflicted so many horrors and abhorrent behaviours upon them when they were only children. To be honest, we kind of expected it as it has become the norm on the Island. The

80 system is perceived to ignore the victim and protect the perpetrator, so we all expected the
usual gumph: ‘not enough evidence, not enough witnesses, it is too expensive to ensure a

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conviction so we are not going to bother’. We have all heard these excuses many times. What we did not expect was the reason behind why this man has not even been arrested, never mind prosecuted, the reason being because he is too old and too ill. Everyone knew his age and his

85 state of health before this review started. They all knew before the investigation took
precedence over the review. So please tell me why you have put all these people through this again for nothing.

Who was the person that decided to abuse these people again? This is a form of torture and degradation which has caused immense harm to these people again. The reasoning behind this

90 decision not to prosecute the man I have heard before, regarding another historical crime that
was inflicted on myself – which is of course ridiculous. The age and well-being of a criminal are truly not ours or your responsibility. The responsibility here is to the children who were entrusted into
your care, the Isle of Man Government, the Department of Education as it was called at the time. It was your Department that paid and entrusted this man to care for the

95 vulnerable children of this Island. Do you not feel disgusted by it or embarrassed? This monster
is about to get away with it again and it is all being done by your own Departments.

You were our parents. You owed us a duty of care, which you did not uphold; you are still not upholding it. We were placed in Knottfield due to the negligence of our own parents and caregivers, some of whom were prosecuted by the Isle of Man courts. Why should you or this

100 man not be treated in the same way by the same courts for the same negligence, if not worse? I
need to ask is there a double standard here, because it feels like there is.

The Attorney General and the Police have more than enough evidence and more than enough witnesses to enable a prosecution, so why is this man still being protected? The whole thing – the review, the investigation – now feels like it has purely been a fishing exercise, an

105 opportunity for the Government to find out exactly what the victims know so they can collate
and compose what feels like yet another cover-up. I feel that this is all in the fear that the press are coming to expose the crimes that have been committed against the children on the Isle of Man, with no fear of prosecution for the perpetrators. It feels like you were in fear of a Jersey-like scandal happening here on the Island – and you should be, rightly so, to be fair.

110 I have been looking into how the victims have been treated during this process and I have
found that their rights and personal liberties may actually have been violated by the Police, and by the Government calling them to come forward again, by providing them with false hope that finally someone was going to do something to prosecute this man and protect them.

Please refer to the European Convention on Human Rights Act – which takes precedence

115 over legal and domestic legislation, I have to add. Article 3: the right not to be tortured or
treated in an inhumane or degrading way. And Article 8: the right to respect for your family and your private life. These people poured their hearts and minds open to you all, the Police included,
again. You may have only heard it for the first time, but police, teachers, social workers, everyone that was around these children and as they became adults, has heard these

120 stories again and again and again, and every time these people are tortured and it takes a long
time to heal from it all every time. Their everyday lives were changed, which has affected them and their families by the imposing of this process. It feels like the system has repeatedly raped and tortured these people emotionally and psychologically for a fact-finding exercise, and that is criminal.

125 As I stated previously, when a person reveals abuses that have taken place against them they
unwittingly re-live those moments in time, the fear, the shame and the pain. You were aware of this. You were made aware of this when this process started. You were made aware that these people, some here today, would become that six-year-old child again who was beaten and raped for the pleasure of the abusers around him. You were made aware that the reason the 12-year-

130 old boy had turned to a life of crime was so he could escape the abuses that were happening to
him. No one would listen and no one would act for them. These people, while reliving their stories, become those children again. After the interviews are finished with either yourselves or

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the Police, or whoever else wants to get inside their heads, they are left as that child and this can take months, years, to overcome.

135 They told their stories again because they believed that finally someone was going to say, ‘I

believe you.’ Do you believe these victims? Do you believe what happened to them?

What are you going to do to ensure they receive the validation they require after suffering

for so long?

Do you believe that there has been a cover-up to protect those involved, who were aware

140 and decided to protect themselves and the reputation of the Island?

If your answer to any of these questions is yes, then a prosecution must be made. This man

must be prosecuted. His health and well-being is down to the sentencing judge to decide, not

you and not I.

Just recently Bill Cosby, aged 80 years and in ill health, was successfully prosecuted for

145 historical sex crimes. Max Clifford was in his 70s. Rolf Harris was in his 70s. Dave Lee Travis in his
60s. And closer to home, Derek Cooper of Hillberry Green is 77 years old and has recently been convicted of historical crimes. Every one of them claimed ill health. They failed. They could not evade the justice they so rightly deserved. Quite frankly, by not prosecuting this man and his staff in question you are making a laughing stock of us as victims and of the Isle of Man, its

150 judicial system and its policies and procedures in a very public forum.

Another case that has recently been made public is from a brave man called Gerry Underwood. He reported historical sex crimes against him to the Isle of Man Constabulary five years ago and still nothing has been done to help him. The Isle of Man Constabulary claim that they have changed their systems and procedures, which they have, but all still leads to the same

155 outcome and excuses from the Police and the Attorney General’s office. We all know this
because we have all lived it many times. Nothing has changed at all. Please be part of that change now. Implement safeguards for the victims, not the perpetrators.

Over the past year alone, from 1st January 2017 to 1st January 2018, a total of 86 crimes were reported to the Police on the Island. Of these, 33 were historical, of which 18 were inflicted

160 upon children – persons as they were children. Only five of these 18 – and this is from when I
received the information in March, I must add – were operational. Five. There are five that are classed as cleared, completed, but I do not know what that means. I have not had any clarification as to what that means. I would like to know.

Child sex crime as a whole on the Island is still not being taken seriously. I know this

165 personally because I have experienced the system myself and the abuser is still walking the
streets today, nearly four years after the crimes were first reported from four children. Not enough evidence. The witnesses are too young. The same song sung by the Police to the Attorney General’s office
again. The list of excuses goes on whilst another child predator is within our midst who will never see the inside of a courtroom.

170 So, questions for the Attorney General. What evidence do you exactly require? Broken
bones? Bruises? Photographic evidence? Scars? Well, for these people, broken bones have healed, the bruises have cleared and all the physical evidence has disappeared along with the children’s personal files from Knottfield – which is another question I must raise with you later. But scars they have plenty of: the mental scars that have ripped open again during this process;

175 the scars that create the nightmares to return and question their ability to lead normal lives,
that make them question their self-worth and destroy their self-esteem. These scars are always there, destroying these people from the inside out because of what happened to them and because not one person of authority has stood up and said, ‘I believe you and I will have your back.’

180 These people need validation, not more persecution. They need someone from the
establishment that they have paid into their whole lives to stand up and say, ‘I believe you and we are sorry.’ Without this, what is the point in any of this? What is your explanation as to why this review is actually taking place? What outcome are you hoping for from all of this? Is anyone actually thinking or caring about these victims at all? Because it does not feel like it.

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185 These victims are parents and grandparents now. They are also struggling with their ill health, even more so throughout this process. Who is looking out for them? Who is protecting them? You were supposed to be protecting them when they were children; you are supposed to be protecting them now. That is your job: to protect the people of the Island who have suffered crimes against them. Give them the validation, tell them you believe them and apologise publicly

190 for it taking so long to get to this point. I am so sorry that some of them cannot be with us today. I have some questions for you. I am not done yet, sorry; I am not done yet.

The Chairman: No, that is fine. Take as long as you want.

195 Mrs Urquhart: Are you able to answer these directly now, or …?

  1. The Chairman: Let’s progress with the questions orally.

Mrs Urquhart: Okay. Where is the medical statement stating the perpetrator is too old and

200 unfit to be prosecuted?

  1. The Chairman: We are yet to meet with the Attorney General and that will be amongst the things we will be asking.

205 Mrs Urquhart: So you have not even seen the statement, even though it is not public?

  1. The Chairman: The Attorney General is going to come into this Committee – Mrs Urquhart: On the 21st.

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The Chairman: Yes.

Mrs Urquhart: Yes, I will be here. Okay, so he has that. Will it be made public, because the whole thing is a public forum? Obviously there is data protection, I understand that, but surely

215 there must be something for the victims to see the reasoning behind why he will not be prosecuted. Will there be something made public?

  1. The Chairman: I cannot answer for the Attorney General. I hope so.

220 Mrs Urquhart: In this case the perpetrator is too old and too ill. In other cases the witnesses were deemed too young. So how do we protect the children of our Island? Yet again another question I feel you cannot answer. The Attorney General will need to answer that, I would presume. I have it put here ‘Please advise’, and he is not here – I was expecting him to be here.

Does the Attorney General have evidential and public interest tests? And if he does, where

225 are they and will we see them?

  1. The Chairman: Amongst the questions we were going to ask you when you had finished your statement is what you would like us to ask the Attorney General, so this is very helpful.

230 Mrs Urquhart: Public interest tests.

  1. The Chairman: Please put it on record.

Mrs Urquhart: Can the Attorney General’s decision be reviewed or appealed? If so, by

235 whom? How do we go about that? Anything?

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  1. The Chairman: No. I am sorry, I do not know the answer to that.

Mrs Urquhart: Okay, it’s fine. I will be back on the 21st, don’t worry.

240 Has the Attorney General decided not to prosecute against or with the opinion of the Isle of
Man Constabulary? Yet again that is a question for him.

  1. The Chairman: Well, no, the answer there is that the Isle of Man Constabulary, after the new witness came forward and was interviewed, submitted to the Attorney General that they

245 wished to have a prosecution. The Attorney General’s office … What is the officer called? There
is an officer in the Attorney General’s who makes these decisions and it was his decision, not the Police’s.

Mrs Urquhart: Okay. I find it all ludicrous. You said yourself you have had 13 former residents

250 of Knottfield sat in front of you yourself. That is a lot of witnesses; that is a lot of evidence. I do
not understand the Attorney General’s reasoning behind any of this, to be fair.

Were there ever any checks made on this couple in Manchester before they were allowed to run a children’s home? Do you have any evidence of that?

255 Q10. The Chairman: I do not believe we have had any evidence of that. Ms Edge: It is something we can ask, isn’t it?

The Clerk: Well, no, I do not think the Committee has any information on that at the 260 moment.

The Chairman: But again we can certainly make inquiries about any of the points you are raising and we are very happy to do so.

265 Mrs Urquhart: Okay. Where are all the Knottfield children’s files? We have heard this

question many times and not one person in authority, I feel, even believes they existed; but we, as residents, know they existed.

These files held personal information on the children in the care of the home, such as personal correspondence, their health, welfare and behaviours, their pocket money accounts,

270 post office accounts, post office books. They held an awful lot of information. They had an awful
lot of evidence: doctors’ appointments, health checks, everything that would have corresponded with the abuses that were taking place against the children at the time. Do you not find it ludicrous that they are missing?

275 The Chairman: Yes.

Mrs Urquhart: Thank you. Is anybody looking for them?

Q11. The Chairman: I think we are receiving evidence after John Guest … The next person

280 after him has been conducting, for a considerable time, at the request of the Isle of Man
Children’s Centre previous management … and I think that she may have information on that.

Mrs Urquhart: Okay. Sexual crime on the Island per capita is high in comparison to the UK. In only the first six months of 2017, 42 sex crimes had been reported to the Police, five of which

285 were deemed non-criminal offences, which left 37 crimes to deal with – which is quite possibly
37 victims with families. Some crimes may be different but inflicted on the same person, you have to understand that, so it is only an approximation.

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To back up Lisa Taylor and Sadie Sanders, I must absolutely reiterate that the punishment must fit the crime and those punishments must be used as a deterrent to try and curb this

290 behaviour and to protect our children. Only recently, a 19-year-old boy went to jail for only six
years after savagely raping a 10-year-old child. That young boy will carry the scars of that event for the rest of his life, whereas his rapist will be out walking our streets within three or four years. It does not feel like it fits. A review needs to take place to look into sex crime as a whole on this Island. I feel this review is only the tip of the iceberg and we cannot stop here. It has to

295 continue.

Investment in mental health can itself provide further investment into the Health Service as a whole. To be as brief as I can, failing mental health is one of the most highly contributing factors to failing physical health. By making a substantial investment into the Mental Health Service you will be saving in so many other areas, so this is a request for you to consider and put forward to

300 Government. I understand Manannan Court is still quite new and quite fresh and a lot of
investment was made in that building, but we need the staff to fill the building and to help the people of the Isle of Man. That is where you are lacking. It is a lovely, good-looking building, but you have not got the staff. It is completely overcapacity. That is where the investment needs to be.

305 Finally – nearly – as much as it has been disheartening that it has taken so long for the victims
of Knottfield Children’s Home to be heard, it must be acknowledged that thankfully they are being heard now. So many Departments across Government have listened to the victims’ stories over the years with no one acting on what they were being told. This spans back to the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s and beyond, when they were still children.

310 I request that the Isle of Man Government make a full and public apology to the victims and
their families for the inaction and ignorance over the years, to show that you understand and have learnt from the mistakes that were made and to reassure the public that the same attitude and pattern of behaviour will be abolished and will never happen across Departments in Government again; that those who were plainly ignorant and arrogant towards the victims are

315 made accountable for their mistakes. This, I feel, needs to be a public apology to state that
finally you believe them and that finally you are sorry.

Just a little quote from Nelson Mandela that I would like to add because I feel it is appropriate:

There can be no keener revelation of a society’s soul than the way in which it treats its children.

Bear that in mind.

320 Thank you.

Q12. The Chairman: Thank you, Christine.

Can I just, before we start answering any questions, answer a couple of the points you made

earlier.

325 The Isle of Man parliament, Tynwald, rather than the Government, decided by majority that
the right thing to do was to undertake this inquiry, and I agree and I voted for that. We did not require outside forces to come in and shine a light on us, like Jersey did.

I believe the young people, who are now older people, who have been to speak to us. I believe them. I believe their story. (Mrs Urquhart: Thank you.) But we have to go through this

330 process and we have to make a report to Tynwald. We will be making recommendations to
Tynwald and it will be for Tynwald to decide whether they accept what we have to say after we have met everybody we need to meet.

So, we have got a few questions, if you are … (Mrs Urquhart: Yes.) That is fine, yes.

Do you want to go first?

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335 Q13. Ms Edge: Obviously we will be seeing the Chief Constable as well as the AG in a couple

of weeks’ time. Have you got any questions you would specifically like us to ask the Chief Constable?

Mrs Urquhart: In this forum? The Isle of Man Constabulary have been very public in saying

340 that they have changed their policies and procedures in the way that they treat victims of
historical crime and sex crime as a whole. What I have found over the past four years is that those procedures have changed and they are willing to listen to you more, but it is the final outcomes that do not change – and I have said this already.

I have to applaud the two officers who took charge of this investigation. I will not name them

345 personally, but they know who they are. Their patience and understanding I found, personally,
was hugely appreciated; it was a hard job that they took on. But the Isle of Man Constabulary as a whole … I am not sure I can say in this forum, to be fair.

Q14. The Chairman: Please do not worry about what you say.

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Mrs Urquhart: I do not want to swear.

  1. The Chairman: I think it is best that people are as honest as possible in this. Would you like to make any comment about the Government Mental Health Services and

355 their involvement in any of this?

Mrs Urquhart: Yes. The Police, after advice – or me shouting very publicly on social media – contacted the Mental Health Services and provided the victims of Knottfield with a phone number and a fast track into the Mental Health Services. I am aware of at least one or two

360 people who accessed those services and were basically told that they could not be helped because they were too scared to open that avenue, stating that it was detrimental to the victim. So what was the point, to be fair?

  1. Ms Edge: That was after the recent interviews and that with the Police? 365

Mrs Urquhart: Yes.

  1. Ms Edge: They did not give you good access to their services?

370 Mrs Urquhart: Oh, they got access; they did not get good service.

  1. Ms Edge: And what else do you think could help? Is there anything that you could …?

Mrs Urquhart: The reason they did not get good service was because the Mental Health

375 Service is overcapacity and everybody I know is fully aware of that. For these people in particular I think an independent Mental Health Service needs to come to the Island, specifically for these people, to allow your own Mental Health Service to do the job that they already do, and that way they will not be shunted out the door, saying, ‘It’s too late, we can’t open that corridor in your mind; we haven’t got the time to fix you.’ Bring in an independent service to help these

380 people, so that the people you have already can do the job that they are under so much pressure to do. And hire more, invest in more staff – you desperately need more staff.

  1. The Chairman: Do you know, were the management of Knottfield under any supervision from outside? I know you would only be very young at the time, but do you think they were

385 under any supervision from outside?

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Mrs Urquhart: There was the committee of Knottfield.

Q20. The Chairman: The committee, that kind of thing. Do you want to talk about that a little

390 bit?

Mrs Urquhart: Well, it is the committee that dictate how any business or organisation runs, so yes they were dictated to. I believe the committee were aware of what was going on, if not part of it – sorry, I have to say. So yes, they were dictated to.

395 There was a lot of money that went missing that belonged to the children. Everything has
been covered up for a long time and the committee of Knottfield were behind that – it is not just down to the perpetrators – and I think it has all been covered up to save the reputation of the Island. Well, that is not happening now, is it?

400 Q21. The Chairman: Well, I think it is the reverse, isn’t it? By trying to cover things up you do

not (Mrs Urquhart: Exactly.) enhance the reputation of anyone.

Mrs Urquhart: I would really be interested to know who the committee members were. I cannot seem to find that information. Maybe somebody – maybe John – might have that, I do

405 not know, but I would really like to know who the committee members were and were party to
the ignorance and the arrogance of what happened.

Q22. The Chairman: Yes, well, I am sure Kerry Sharpe again will have information about that.

410 Q23. Ms Edge: Can I just ask … Obviously everybody has concerns if those records cannot be

found, and clearly that is the belief. When anybody has accessed the medical service or any other medical service – their GP – on the Island, there are no records with their GP practice at all?

415 Mrs Urquhart: My own personal medical health record only goes back to 1992. Everything

before it is gone.

Q24. Ms Edge: And you are with the same general practice, the same GP? Yes. Okay. Thank you.

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  1. The Chairman: The questions we were going to ask were … What do you think Tynwald should do? I think you have made it absolutely clear what you think –

Mrs Urquhart: They need to apologise.

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  1. The Chairman: – Tynwald should do. Yes. Anything else you would like to say?

Mrs Urquhart: No, I think I have covered everything that I needed to say.

430 Q27. The Chairman: You have covered everything very well. I know that it will be quite difficult for you, to say the least, to come here to do this in public, but we want to thank you very much as a Committee for being prepared to do so, for being so open and honest and frank. We will see this through.

435 Mrs Urquhart: Thank you for listening to me. Thank you.

The next witness was called at 10.40 a.m.

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EVIDENCE OF
Mr John Guest

Q28. The Chairman: We will now have Mr Guest, please.

John, for the record would you tell us your name and then would you like to make any

statement, please.

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Mr Guest: My name is John Guest and I was a victim of physical, mental and sexual abuse at

the Isle of Man Children’s Home in the 1960s and 1970s.

I would like to thank the previous speaker, who I do not know. She made some good

technical points but, on the point where she said she is speaking for the victims, she is not

445 speaking for me personally because I do not know who she is, so I just make that point clear.

I would like to talk and I have my picture of my mother with me today.

I would just like to say that I appreciated the points that the previous speaker made and a lot

of the technical points that she made. I am very appreciative of what she said, but my talk is a

more personal talk and not so technical, so I hope it comes across clearly and understandable to

450 the people here today.

I would like to open my address to this Committee here today by remembering and paying my personal respects to the memory of my two good friends and fellow victims of the physical, mental and sexual abuse committed against us in the Isle of Man Children’s Home whilst under the guardianship and care of the Isle of Man Government in the 1960s and 1970s: Chris Glover

455 and Ian Strange.

Chris took his own life in December 2017, I and others believe as a direct result of the trauma inflicted on him as a vulnerable child in the care of the Isle of Man Government and more recently by the unprofessional actions and insensitive manner in which the Isle of Man Police Force conducted their inquiries in 2015. Chris was my lifelong friend. He was a family man, loved

460 and respected by all his many friends and ex-work colleagues, as the packed-to-capacity church at Andreas testified on the day of his funeral. It is sad that some of the people here were not there to witness that.

Ian Strange, I was informed by the Isle of Man Police, had also taken his own life. I last met Ian in Douglas some time ago and when we sat and talked he was still visibly traumatised by the

465 abuse he was subjected to whilst in the care of the Manx Government and the treatment he received from the Police. I have enquired on several occasions for details on Ian’s resting place and on his passing but I am still awaiting that information from the Police.

I would like at this time just to ask the people here today and the Committee to give me the respect of a short silence in their memory, if that is okay.

A silence was observed.

470 Mr Guest: Thank you.

I would like to start by thanking Mr Baker for bringing motion 35, the Knottfield Children’s

Home, before Tynwald Court. I would like to thank Dr Allinson for seconding the motion and also

Mr Henderson for his contribution to support the motion.

At the risk of seeming ungrateful, I hope to say this is not a waste of all our time. The reason I

475 said this, ladies and gentlemen, is because apparently once this Committee has completed their hearing and made their report, incredibly the select committee’s findings are to be submitted to the Council of Ministers for written response – people who have already shown publicly they do not really care. Your findings are to be handed over to the Council of Ministers, including Mr Quayle, Mr Thomas, Mr Malarkey, Mr Peake and others who en masse voted for Mrs

480 Beecroft’s amendment, which would have stopped motion 35, the Knottfield Children’s Home, being investigated by the select committee. If this is the case, we all have to ask ourselves why are we bothering with this hearing today.

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The reason I am here today is to represent my two dead friends, Chris and Ian, and other individuals who do not have the strength to dredge this all up in public – and frankly, it is not

485 easy for me. Lest anyone misunderstand, despite this horrendous experience, I have a loving wife, a fine son and a daughter and I strive to be successful in my work. I chose to get on with my life and tried to put the shame of my mistreatment behind me. Many of the other victims have not been so fortunate. Also, the actions of some of the politicians and of the Isle of Man Police Force compelled me to act.

490 To Mrs Beecroft, Mr Malarkey, Mr Quayle, Mr Thomas and others who voted in favour of the amendment – in the words of Mr Baker, trying to sweep this issue away – I say bow your heads in shame. Your oath of office is to serve and protect and I say to you all you have let me down, let my two dead friends down and also some of the other innocent victims that are here today, not forgetting all those who were subject to this horrific treatment, and I feel you have let the

495 Island down.

I see Mrs Beecroft mentioned in Tynwald the Jersey Care Inquiry, which investigated the historical child abuse on their Island. It was an independent inquiry, free of government and the Police, giving the victims of child abuse in their care system a totally unbiased and impartial avenue to give their evidence. The Jersey Care Inquiry was instigated after their chief minister in

500 2010 made a full formal apology to all those who had suffered in the Jersey care system, acknowledging their failings towards those vulnerable children in a serious way. He stated that the inquiry was to be transparent and affording the fair treatment of victims and witnesses to be a priority. In a subsection headed ‘systemic failings’ it questioned (1) a failure to ensure that an institution provides proper care, (2) a failure to take all proper steps to prevent, detect and

505 disclose abuse, and (3) a failure to take appropriate steps to ensure the investigation and prosecution of criminal offences involving abuse. I say to Mrs Beecroft, Mr Malarkey, Mr Quayle, Mr Thomas and others: read the Jersey Care Inquiry findings in full, then act in an honourable way.

I am here today to speak out for the victims of physical, mental and sexual abuse inflicted on

510 us whilst in the care and protection of the Isle of Man Government in the 1960s and 1970s. We were taken from our homes and placed into the care of the Isle of Man Government, into a place void of compassion, encouragement and guidance in any way. This unregulated children’s home was funded by the Isle of Man Government. Never at any time in all the years I was in care was I visited or spoken to by a social worker. We were never encouraged to study or helped in

515 any way to prepare us for moving into society. We were not taught any morals, respect or compassion for others. So, on leaving the care system without training or an education, many fell into petty criminality to survive. We were angry, unguided teenagers, trying to find our place in society.

I am not here today to talk about my personal experiences and the physical, mental and

520 sexual abuse inflicted on me whilst under the care of the Isle of Man Government; I have spoken to this Committee to some extent on this matter in private. Also, the evidence I gave to the Police helped to convict the paedophile who ran the children’s home in Knottfield after a court case in 1993.

I would like to say that victims have asked for and have been denied access to funded legal

525 counsel to assist in asking questions and putting evidence forward, a privilege enjoyed by this Committee and by the Police. I ask the Government again, here in public, to give us this assistance.

I, like many of the people who came through the care system at Knottfield in the 1960s and 1970s, have no respect for the Isle of Man Police Service and their office. Their unprofessional

530 attitude and actions towards the innocent victims of Knottfield and the actions of the paedophile who ran the home need to be, in my mind, independently investigated. I personally made several complaints to the Isle of Man Police in regard to their handling of the case in 2015 and 2016 and their treatment of the victims, leaving one suicidal and others unable to work. Their action in one instance after taking evidence was to text a visibly shaken and unstable

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535 victim, offering a contact number for victim support services. After several visits to Police Headquarters and complaints and inquiries into their procedures and actions, I was awarded the title ‘dissatisfied customer’ – the reference number is DC18/15-16 and it was signed by Inspector Will Campbell of the professional standards department, dated 14th December 2015 – and in the eyes of the Isle of Man Police I am a dissatisfied customer; I thank them for that title.

540 In 2015 the Isle of Man Police again opened an investigation into Knottfield and child abuse, and after two years of investigation their intrusive and uncompassionate approach to victims concluded with the suicide of my good friend.

The Chairman: It’s all right, take your time.

545

Mr Guest: Okay … concluded with the suicide of my good friend and fellow victim,

Chris Glover, and other victims feeling let down and unsupported by the Isle of Man Police

Service.

With new evidence being provided and one claim of sexual abuse by another member of staff

550 on a vulnerable victim being made, we believe the case has been closed with no further actions or prosecutions. We the victims, through legal counsel, would like to question the content of the police file sent the Attorney General which led to this decision.

The Chief Constable, Gary Roberts, was in 1993 an investigating DC into the child abuse at Knottfield which led to the conviction of the paedophile who ran the home. We feel his report

555 submitted to the select committee has inaccuracies and find some of his comments offensive when he states that many of the young people who spent time in Knottfield, including Ian Strange, had poor mental health problems, difficulty forming relationships, had a history of offending and alcoholic problems. We find this and other parts of his written submission to this Committee to be untrue, a defamation of the character of myself and others who lived and

560 survived the unregulated systemic abuse in the children’s home in the 1960s and 1970s. If, in 1979, Ian Strange – a scared, vulnerable and abused child who found the courage to complain about his mistreatment – had been listened to by the Police he would be alive today. The Police in 1979 took the word of a paedophile running Knottfield that Ian was a troublemaker and attention seeker. The Police walked away and left that child to his fate. The Chief Constable

565 stated in his written evidence to this Committee:

An opportunity to stop his offending arose in 1979, but not taken.

His words, given to you the Committee.

Also in his report the Chief Constable stated the lack of files connected to the case and that they had been destroyed before the police investigation in 1992 – his words in his statement. So how, on 30th August 2017, did the Isle of Man Police Force receive an anonymous call informing

570 them that staff at the Isle of Man Children’s Centre were destroying files related to the Knottfield investigation?

Leading me on to the Isle of Man Children’s Centre, I believe the Centre had commissioned a book relating to the children in care over the last 150 years on our Island. The Children’s Centre had claimed it had a history dating back over a hundred years, when in fact it was only formed in

575 1988. The victimised innocent residents of the Manx childcare system and Knottfield who grew up in their care in the 1960s and 1970s find it deeply offensive that someone could write this book without our knowledge or input. Without reading the book, I say shame on the Children’s Centre and those involved.

We would also like to ask the select committee to ask questions regarding the handing over

580 of the building and cash assets of the children to the Children’s Centre. That included the substantial building that was Knottfield. Allegedly the building is now up for sale. We ask: what was the agreement as to the use and ultimately the sale of this valuable asset?

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Mr Cretney, select committee, the Police and the people of the Island, I ask for recognition for what happened, justice for the innocent victims and hopefully closure. This dark chapter of

585 our Island’s social and criminal history must be recognised and documented and, where
appropriate, action taken. You owe it to a generation of vulnerable young children who, under the care of this Isle of Man Government, were sent to Knottfield in the 1960s and 1970s – that unregulated, inadequate, uncaring children’s home where a paedophile was free to ruin countless young lives. You owe it to us and this Island’s victims.

590 Again I would like to put on record my disgust and total disagreement with the procedure
where this Committee’s findings and evidence, on completion of its work, are sent to the Council of Ministers for their written response; the Council of Ministers who en masse voted for the amendment to motion 35, which would have silenced the innocent victims and dismissed Mr Baker’s motion. I await their written response and its contents with interest.

595 I call on this Committee, in giving their findings to Tynwald, to remember the innocent
victims, their treatment, and to admit that a travesty of justice was committed on vulnerable young children whilst under the care of the Manx Government. Again I ask for recognition for what happened, justice and closure.

That is my main evidence, but I would like to end on a personal note, if I can. I do not know …

600

The Chairman: Take your time.

Mr Guest: I do not know if I can read it, really. I would like somebody else to read it. Could you read it for me, or somebody?

605

The Chairman: Yes, Mr King will read out what John wants to say.

The Clerk: ‘I wish to end my evidence on a personal note. This picture I have with me today, and which I have taken to my closed meeting with this Committee, is of my mother,

610 Doreen Guest. In the mid-1960s, date unknown, the Manx Government, through one of its
Departments, decided to remove from her love and care me and my three brothers. She was placed some time later in secure care where, many years later, she died in her early 40s. She never saw her children again. I cannot imagine how she must have felt at this callous action. I think of her daily.’

615

Mr Guest: Thank you.

The Chairman: Thank you, Mr King.

620 Mr Guest: At the end now, I would just like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to talk

for the victims, living and departed.

  1. The Chairman: Okay, well, thank you very much, John. Again, very brave, very frank, and you have made your points very well.

625 I want to clarify the process. When this Committee reports, the report will be made public. It
will be laid before Tynwald to be debated at a subsequent sitting. What happens is the Council of Ministers have the opportunity to consider the report, along with all other Tynwald Members, and ultimately it will be Tynwald rather than the Council of Ministers –

630 Mr Guest: Yes, but the Council of Ministers will be giving a written response; the Council of

Ministers who en masse voted against motion 35. We would not have been sitting here today if that had been successful.

  1. The Chairman: I hope they have had time to reflect upon their decision.

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635 Mr Guest: Well, I hope so, yes; I do too.

  1. The Chairman: The other points … This Committee is a parliamentary Committee and as such is not Government; it is unbiased and impartial. As I said to Christine, we will make sure that we complete our work properly and report without fear or favour.

640 I want you to know that we do take everything that has been said to us very seriously and I share with you that one of the people, Chris, who spoke with Mr Baker and who subsequently has taken his own life, we owe it to him to make sure that we complete this process.

Mr Guest: And Ian as well.

645

  1. The Chairman: And Ian; we did not meet Ian.

If it is all right with you we will ask a few questions. We will be seeing the Chief Constable in a couple of weeks. You have made several points. Is there anything else you would like us to ask him, other than what you have said already?

650

Mr Guest: To ask the Chief Constable?

The Chairman: Yes, anything you think we should put to him, other than …? You have made a number of important points.

655

Mr Guest: I have actually had a meeting with the Chief Constable and I have put a lot of my

points I wished to make to him anyway.

I think the situation is that myself and fellow victims have a complaint and a grievance

against the Isle of Man and the Police, so how can they be impartial when we are complaining

660 against the Police and the Police then make the file to put to the Attorney General, when we are
complaining against their actions? It should be an independent written report given to the Attorney General, not by the Police. The Isle of Man Police Service I do not think are impartial enough and I think it is unfair.

665 Q33. Ms Edge: Sorry, John, can I just ask on that, did your complaint go right through the

process and did it go to the …? Because obviously there is the Police Complaints Commissioner – do you know, did it get to him and have you had the outcome of that?

Mr Guest: Right, I will answer that. When I made my complaint on several occasions I was

670 spoken to by several high-ranking police officers and that was not put to me. It was put to me
that I would be treated as a dissatisfied customer and that was as far as it was going.

  1. Ms Edge: So you were not aware of that option?

675 Mr Guest: I was not made aware of the other option that you just mentioned. Ms Edge: Thank you.

  1. The Chairman: Can I ask the same question I have just asked you about the Chief

680 Constable in relation to the Attorney General: anything other than what you have said already
that you would like us to ask the Attorney General?

Mr Guest: To ask the Attorney General?

685 The Chairman: Yes.

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Mr Guest: I would like him to make public why the contents of the file … I think the file is in the defence of the Police. The Police do not want there to be a prosecution because we, the victims, want to ask the Police questions because the Police do not want this to go ahead. So I

690 think it is not a fair system. I think it should be an independently placed file before the Attorney
General, not by the Isle of Man Police. It is too local, it is too friendly in the contents of … Civil servants and the Police are all together and they do not want it to happen, and I think that is totally unfair in a criminal judicial way. It should be an off-Island investigation and then a file put forward.

695 And the health of the paedophile in question should not be in question. He should be
wheeled into a court in a wheelchair, like in anywhere else in the world; age is no barrier. So I think the Police are acting in their own interest, not in the interest of the victims, as shown in their actions towards the victims as well.

700 Q36. The Chairman: Okay. Without answering on behalf of the Chief Constable … We will

certainly put that to the Chief Constable, but the Chief Constable did submit a file seeking a prosecution.

Mr Guest: Well, yes, he might have done, but what was the content of the file? When you

705 have new evidence, where people are coming forward offering fresh evidence of abuse, and in
one instance abuse by another member of staff as well, given to the Police, where is the non-strength in that evidence?

We have not got a right to ask legal questions. We have not been given access to funded legal advice where we could ask these questions properly. We should be entitled to this. What is

710 happening on this Island, where people have not …? We are in the situation we are in because
we were not given an education whilst under the care of the Government, so we are not clever enough people to ask these kind of questions. Why are we not given access to funded legal advice so we can ask the questions? This is a right. Anywhere else in the world you would have a right to do that.

715

Q37. The Chairman: Yes. Again you make a good point in relation to that –

Mr Guest: Yes, I do.

720 The Chairman: We have a system which is means tested and, as we have had a

conversation –

Mr Guest: Yes, I can understand your means-tested system, but this goes past the means-tested system. We are talking about vulnerable people. I work for myself, I am a worker, I have

725 never claimed off the Government, but why should I have to find thousands of pounds to defend
myself and ask questions of a Government and a Police Force who have let me down and wronged me and taken away my life? Why should I have to find the money to do that?

I have spoken to a law firm in Athol Street – they want £260 an hour plus VAT. If I had been an educated person I maybe would be able to afford that, but I have broken my back for the last

730 30-40 years working on a building site because that is the outcome of the Government’s care for
me when I was young. They robbed me of my education, my innocence, and now I have got to pay for it to defend myself against what they did to me. Where is the fairness in that? That is totally unfair, not just for myself but my fellow victims.

The Police take your evidence and they treat you unfairly, and then they leave you alone.

735 Why can’t we ask the Police questions? Why can’t we ask Government questions through legal
counsel? Because we cannot afford it, and that is totally unfair.

You created us the way we are – do you know what I mean? – this Government. The people who spent endless years in jail did not spend endless years in jail because they chose to go out

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and do these bad things; it is because of the way they were created and brought up by an

740 uncaring Government and the Isle of Man Children’s Home.

Ms Edge: Can I just follow on?
The Chairman: Yes.

745

  1. Ms Edge: You have made comment about the Chief Constable and then, with regard to records, somebody saying that there were records being destroyed. We will make sure that that is a question that is asked.

750 Mr Guest: Well, if you have read the Chief Constable’s report, which is available to you, it is actually in there. I am only commenting on what he has … Luckily, I was able to read his report before it was taken off the website. So if you read his report you will see it. The way you looked at me there – his report was put on the website and it was removed.

755 The Chairman: It had to be removed because of the –

Mr Guest: Okay, that’s fine, but if you read the report you will find in there he states that in 1992, I think it was, files were destroyed or were unobtainable and he has mentioned it on several occasions, and all of a sudden the files that were unobtainable would seem to be

760 available to the Isle of Man Children’s Centre to write a book. And then, in 2017, luckily, an anonymous caller made a call saying that they were destroying files. Well, I would like to question how, when the Isle of Man Children’s Centre knew there was an investigation going on and the files were part of the investigation, they were destroying the files. The Isle of Man Children’s Centre were destroying the files, by which they were destroying criminal evidence

765 which they knew was part of an investigation, so they should be made responsible and accountable for what they have done.

  1. The Clerk: Just to mention the written evidence which you talked about from the Police and some other written evidence was taken down from the Tynwald website when this

770 investigation was suspended –

Mr Guest: Why was that?

The Clerk: – but it is back on the website now. That was to maintain the separation between

775 the –

Mr Guest: Yes, thank you for that, but I would like to question as well the contents of the Chief Constable’s report. He is stating lack of files and lack of evidence but he is criticising me and others and our actions. How has he found out this information when the files are not

780 available to look into our circumstances? He is quoting individuals and group activities, so where is this information coming from? We want to question, through legal counsel, what he has written. A lot of it is untrue and defamation of our character, because people can read that and then when this Committee sits and they read that … If they had just read that report from the Chief Constable and did not speak to me and others, they would have thought they were dealing

785 with people who were criminals and unruly – because that is what he has written in his report, which is totally untrue, claiming alcoholism and unruly behaviour. Okay, unruly behaviour is fair because that is the way we were brought up. We were brought up without boundaries, without regulation, but that was not our fault; that was the way we were brought up. And on leaving the care system we were just let go. We were not given any accommodation, nothing. So we were

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790 angry and we were unruly because we had no boundaries, but this Government, through the Isle of Man Children’s Centre, created how we were. So that is it.

The Chairman: Okay. Anything else?

795 Ms Edge: I do not think so. We have covered everything, haven’t we?

  1. The Chairman: Again, I think you have partially answered this, but what do you think Tynwald should do as a result of …? When we report, what you think should be the outcome?

800 Mr Guest: Well, I think en masse the Isle of Man Government want to get a backbone and acknowledge what has happened. The Isle of Man Government and the Police Service are only interested in the reputation of the Isle of Man, and this story is not good for the Isle of Man. But it has to be acknowledged and the people who are victims, they have to give recognition to them. At the moment the actions of the Government, the MHKs and the Council of Ministers are

805 showing that they do not care.

The Chairman: Okay. I think that is probably all we need to ask you, John. Again, thank you very much for coming along –

810 Mr Guest: Well, I would like to say one more thing.
The Chairman: Yes, please do.

Mr Guest: The former speaker, you asked her a question about the committee of the Isle of

815 Man Children’s Home. The committee of the Isle of Man Children’s Home were local businessmen who used to meet once a month in Knottfield. They were local businessmen and I believe that, because of the cunningness and actions of the paedophile who ran the children’s home, they had no understanding of what was going on. They only came to the building for about two hours once a month to have their meeting, so I do not believe that they would have

820 had any knowledge of what was going on.

  1. The Chairman: You do not think they were complicit in it?

Mr Guest: No, definitely not. I would not have thought so, because of the way he was

825 running the place and they were not there anyway, so I do not think so.

  1. Ms Edge: Can I just ask you one more question, John? Obviously they had a duty to have you educated. You did attend school –

830 Mr Guest: Who had a duty?

  1. Ms Edge: Well if you were in somebody’s care … Did you attend school? Mr Guest: Yes.

835

  1. Ms Edge: Has anybody looked at any of your schooling records with regard to your time within Knottfield?

Mr Guest: No.

840 My son is 10 years of age now, the age I was when I was being abused. He is starting secondary school and when he goes to secondary school I will encourage him, and if he is good

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at a subject I would like to ask what he wants to be when he leaves school and I will point him in

the direction of what he wants to do.

When I was in the children’s home I was not driven or helped in any way in my education. My

845 education suffered. I was quite good at maths and quite a bright person at school, but when the paedophile in question came to the children’s home my education suffered. All I wanted to do was get away from the children’s home and the only way to get away from the children’s home was to get away from school. Okay? So my good education, which would have got me a decent job, which would have made me a better citizen, suffered because the Government, under the

850 care of the Government, employed this paedophile in this children’s home to ruin my life and others’, which ruined my education and my life.

So yes I went to school, and yes I did have to go to school. I skipped off school when I felt like it and I did not go to school when I wanted to, and on leaving school I got a leaver’s report which, out of about 200 children … I got a good leaver’s report: six As on my leaver’s report.

855 Teachers asked me why am I leaving – ‘You shouldn’t be leaving, you’ve got a good education,’ – but how could I say to them ‘I’m getting away’ from what I did? And then, when I left the children’s home, I decided when I left the children’s home. I got a bag into my room, packed my bag and left, and that was me leaving the children’s home. I was getting away from my education; my only escape from the children’s home was to leave my education. Okay?

860

Ms Edge: Thank you.

Mr Guest: Right.

865 Q45. The Chairman: Again, thank you very much for speaking to us privately previously, John, and for coming along today and being honest about such a difficult subject.

Mr Guest: I would like to say one more thing. I see that motion 35 was on the Knottfield Children’s Centre, but attached to the main motion was a secondary motion, which was present-

870 day care of children, which is understandable but I would just like to say that it should not have been included in the motion. The main motion was headed the Knottfield Children’s Centre and for this to be added and debated by Mrs Beecroft If you read the Hansard, the majority of her talk was based on modern-day practice. She did not really question or even look into … She acknowledged Knottfield but the majority of her talk was on modern-day practice, and really

875 that again is defamation against the main motion, which was for the Children’s Centre, which I feel should not have been … It should not be debated here today, modern-day practice. The children’s home, Knottfield, is the main reason we are here today and that is the only thing I am interested in talking about and listening to, and that should be a separate motion, not to be including anything else.

880

Q46. The Chairman: Okay. We are obviously required to comply with –

Mr Guest: Yes, but for what purpose? I do not know. Just to either dilute it down or make it seem less important, but it should not even be on the same statutory motion as the Knottfield

885 Children’s Centre, which was the heading on the motion anyway.

The Chairman: Okay. Thank you very much and we will now move on to our next –

Mr Guest: Well, I hope the politicians of the Isle of Man show respect to the people who

890 suffered and give us the justice we deserve.

The Chairman: I agree. (Mr Guest: Okay.) Thank you, John.

The next witness was called at 11.14 a.m.

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EVIDENCE OF

Mrs Kerry Sharpe MLC

  1. The Chairman: Our final witness this morning is Mrs Kerry Sharpe, Member of the Legislative Council.

895 For the record, please could you state your name and outline your professional background
as it relates to the subject we are talking about today.

Mrs Sharpe: My name is Kerry Sharpe. I am currently a Member of the Legislative Council, but prior to joining the Legislative Council on 12th March 2018 I was writing a book entitled

900 The History of the Children’s Centre, working title.

  1. The Chairman: Okay, thank you. Would you like to make any opening remarks?

Mrs Sharpe: Yes, I have prepared a short introduction.

905 In November 2013 I was asked by the then CEO of the Children’s Centre, John Knight, to write
the book
The History of the Children’s Centre. Over the next two years I met with John Knight and his development manager, Juana Warburton, approximately once a month to discuss the progress of my research and how the material would be presented in the book.

We did not sign a contract; we had a verbal contract. We did sign a letter of intent. We

910 decided that I would write the book for free, so long as my expenses incurred during the first
year of research for the book were covered by the Children’s Centre. We agreed that publishing costs would be covered by the Children’s Centre.

I drew up a document for the trustees outlining the structure, style and content of the book, plus an estimate of publishing costs. This was circulated to trustees and I attended a trustees’

915 meeting to answer any questions they had.

I gave a short talk to staff members about the history of the organisation. I interviewed staff

members in situ at the Children’s Centre. I was asked to interview the oldest former child, who is

96, in Cirencester. The organisation paid for my flight and hotel.

John Knight agreed with the trustees that the Children’s Centre would pay half the publishing

920 costs and the other half would be found via donations. In short, I was researching material for a
book about the 150-year history of the Children’s Centre. The book was to be published and ready to coincide with the anniversary celebrations. It was a collaborative effort.

In January 2015, following a controversial loss on behalf of the Children’s Centre of a raft of Government contracts, John Knight and Juana Warburton resigned. Fiona Dawson took over as

925 CEO. For the first 15 months, Ms Dawson actively supported the book. She arrange bi-monthly
meetings with me to discuss progress. She encouraged me to meet with staff members to help progress anniversary celebrations, for example. I was asked to attend a meeting with Katie King at the Manx Museum with staff members to discuss a potential exhibition at the Museum which would run in parallel to the launch of the book.

930 From March 2016, for reasons I will explain, it appeared that the Children’s Centre began to
distance themselves from the book, resulting in a meeting in April 2017 between myself, Fiona Dawson and Andrew Johnston, a former lawyer and trustee who was allegedly representing the will of the trustees, where Andrew Johnston informed me that, I quote, ‘The Children’s Centre has never wanted a book writing about its history,’ and, I quote, ‘We would

935 rather sweep under the carpet aspects of our history which we don’t like.’ Ms Dawson informed
me, ‘We just can’t afford the litigation.’ She said that in the UK there were instances where organisations had been successfully sued by descendants of looked after children who had been sent to the colonies, for example. She said that since I had been working on the book – quote – ‘people had come crawling out of the woodwork’. She used the example of 10 people who had

940 recently brought about a claim of historical abuse and said that this was all due to my writing the
book.

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In June 2017, I informed Ms Dawson that I would not be going ahead with publishing the book at the end of July after all. I informed her that I had not yet decided what to do with the material. I informed my interviewees, who were all adamant that I press on with the book. I

945 obtained legal advice. I approached this inquiry and gave written evidence.

I then approached Culture Vannin, who agreed that the book … I submitted a few sample chapters and what I did was I broadened the aspect of the book to look at the history of looked after children on the Island as a whole over the past 150 years so that the Children’s Centre would not feel that they were specifically under the spotlight only. Culture Vannin agreed that

950 the book was of historical value and they presented me with a grant towards publication costs. Chris Thomas MHK, Chair of Culture Vannin, said:

Culture Vannin is delighted to award a grant towards the publishing of Kerry’s new book The Herring Barrel Children because it represents an important contribution to Manx history, focusing on an area which had previously been under-researched and consequently little understood. The book promises many fascinating and compelling stories which are likely to be of interest to many of us.’

Thank you.

  1. The Chairman: Thank you.

955 You did get in touch with us last August but since then you have been elected Member of the Legislative Council and you have been appointed Member of the Department of Health and Social Care. Have you taken on any responsibilities in the Department of Health and Social Care to do with looked after children?

960 Mrs Sharpe: Not so far.

  1. The Chairman: And do you see any conflict between your role in the Department of Health and Social Care and your role as an impartial witness in this inquiry?

965 Mrs Sharpe: I do not, because my research was carried out before I joined the Legislative Council. I have yet to research the final chapter of the book because I want to see what happens in 2018 first and what the result of this inquiry is, but apart from material which I have gathered through interviewing people, all of my material has come from the public domain, so I see no reason why research on the modern period should not come from information which is in the

970 public domain.

  1. The Chairman: Okay. Were you shocked or surprised when the trustee, the lawyer you spoke about earlier, said what he said?

975 Mrs Sharpe: I was shocked because I thought, ‘Why are you lying to me? As an organisation you asked me to write this book about the history.’ Of course, since then the CEO changed and members of the trustees changed, but nevertheless the book was ongoing and on the day that John Knight left the Children’s Centre he confirmed to me, ‘The book will still go ahead.’ I felt that the lawyer was lying to me, yes, so I was shocked.

980 I was also shocked at the term that was used – ‘people have come crawling out of the woodwork’ – because this was exactly what 19th-century language was used when referring to orphans and looked after children. They were referred to as ‘street urchins’, for example, and ‘street Arabs’. They were referred to in dehumanising terms and I felt that this was the impression that I was getting that day from Fiona Dawson and Andrew Johnston.

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  1. Ms Edge: Can I just ask: you said that as yet you have not got anything to do with looked after children within your role. Can you state for the record what your role is within DHSC, what responsibilities you have?

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Mrs Sharpe: I have joined the Department of Health and Social Care with special

990 responsibility for children and families. As yet, the director has been on annual leave, so we have
not actually met to discuss what my role will be specifically. That is as far as we are at the moment.

  1. Ms Edge: And you do not feel there is any conflict with what you are aware of at the 995 moment?

Mrs Sharpe: No, I do not, because I have researched the book so far using information available at the Manx Museum, which is open to the public, and I would not ever use any confidential information, for example, as material for my book.

1000

  1. The Chairman: Okay. So we will go back to Knottfield in context.

Thank you for your paper, which we have, as you know, published on our website. Please could you briefly talk us through the origins of the place we know as Knottfield and the key stages in its evolution.

1005

Mrs Sharpe: The Home’, as it was commonly known for over a century, starts its life on Boxing Day 1868. On this day, Scottish Wesleyan David Russell went out onto the streets surrounding the North Quay in Douglas and took as many homeless children as he could find into his own house in James Street. David Russell had been employed as the agent of the

1010 Douglas Town Mission. The Town Mission had asked Russell to identify the key causes of
drunkenness and depravity allegedly so prevalent in the town. What Russell had reported was that there were vast numbers of homeless children wandering the streets and that what the town needed most was an industrial school for orphan and destitute children. Only if these children could be given a sound, moral education and training for work, he believed, could the

1015 town’s endless cycle of poverty and crime be broken. From this point, the main stages in the

evolution of the home are as follows.

In 1869, Russell’s home moved from James Street to Woodside Terrace, South Quay.

In 1870, overcrowding led to a move to Mountain View, Glencrutchery Road. The home’s

official title changed to the Douglas Industrial Home for Destitute Children, then the Manx

1020 Industrial Home for Destitute Children, then the Isle of Man Industrial Home for Orphan and

Destitute Children. However, it was always referred to commonly as ‘the Home’.

In 1881, a large donation from an aristocratic miser, Pierre Baume, led to the purchase of

Strathallan Hall, a former boarding school in Onchan, so the home moved to Strathallan Hall.

In 1906, money from Henry Bloom Noble’s will allowed for the construction of a purpose-

1025 built children’s home on Glencrutchery Road. Noble’s trustees also made a £20,000 donation to
the home’s endowment fund.

In 1939, the home moved to Lorne House, Castletown, returning to Glencrutchery Road in 1946. The home became referred to by the press as the Children’s Home; however, its official title was still the Isle of Man Industrial Home for Orphan and Destitute Children.

1030 In 1968, the home moved to Woodbourne Road and held its official opening ceremony on

1st January 1969. The manager requested that the home be known as Knottfield.

On 16th April 1971, the home expanded into the adjacent property, Frances Villas, at

numbers 90-92 Woodbourne Road, in order to start a day nursery.

In 1983, the residential arm of the home closed. However – and this is crucial – the charity

1035 still continued to run and the newspapers reported that Mrs Tonks, the nursery nurse, would
keep the nursery running and the chairman of the committee, Mr Bob Dowty, was quoted in the newspapers as saying, ‘The charity is still alive and kicking.’

In 1984, the home’s manager began developing before- and after-school clubs. So the residential arm closed and the nursery continued to run, along with a summer holiday club

1040 which was run by Mrs Peggy Pugh. In 1984, Mrs Peggy Pugh was asked to take over the running

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of Knottfield and she began developing before- and after-school clubs, a family centre, camping

weekends and a contact centre. The press referred to the home as the Knottfield Centre.

On 10th May 1985, the residential arm of the home reopened. Between 1985 and 2000, the home’s name was officially changed to the Isle of Man Children’s Centre. In 2000, children in

1045 residence moved into small, family-sized houses, although the day nursery and other services
continued.

In 2008, the Isle of Man Children’s Centre officially changed its name to the Children’s Centre. In 2008, both buildings on Woodbourne Road were knocked into one and a large glass front bearing the name ‘The Children’s Centre’ was erected at the front of the building.

1050 In November 2014, the Children’s Centre lost its Government contract for residential
services.

  1. The Chairman: Thank you very much for that.

The point I was hoping to get at was that for a long time, including the time we are looking at,

1055 the Isle of Man Children’s Centre was responsible for this accommodation on behalf of the
Government.

Mrs Sharpe: Yes, from the passing of the Children’s Act in 1953 the Isle of Man Government took on responsibility for all looked after children in the Isle of Man.

  1. The Chairman: So do you agree it might be helpful if we were to speak to the Children’s Centre so they can let us know their part of the story?

Mrs Sharpe: Yes.

The Chairman: Thank you.

  1. Ms Edge: In the evidence that you have submitted you also mention the Ramsey children’s home. How did this relate to the home in Douglas with regard to the evidence? And

1070 there had been lots of other children’s homes around the Island you have commented on.

Mrs Sharpe: Well, the Ramsey children’s home was always a separate home. I have some notes on the Ramsey children’s home. It was actually set up before the Douglas children’s home. It had its origins in a Ragged School which was set up in the winter of 1862 by Miss Susanna

1075 Gibson, who was daughter of the shipyard owner T C Gibson, and in 1963 a permanent home, Ballacloan, also known as the Ramsey Industrial School, was built by T C Gibson in north Ramsey and run by Miss Gibson.

  1. The Clerk: Sorry, did you say 1863 or 1963?
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Mrs Sharpe: 1863. Miss Gibson, in 1878, applied for affiliation to the Methodist Children’s Homes and Orphanages because by this point her father, who had been a main benefactor, had died and she could not afford to run it; she was relying on donations. She applied to the Methodist Children’s Homes and Orphanages and so the Ramsey children’s home then became

1085 part of Methodist Children’s Homes and Orphanages, which are now known as the National Children’s Homes.

So there was never any connection between the Douglas children’s home and the Ramsey children’s home.

1090 Q59. The Clerk: Were there a whole lot of Methodist homes in the Island, or was that her trying to make a link with an off-Island …?

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Mrs Sharpe: As far as I know. From my research I have not been able to find any other children’s homes on the Isle of Man. I know for a fact, through going through the registers since

1095 1868 for the Douglas children’s home, that children were routinely sent to the Douglas
children’s home from all over the Island. This was why they had to keep moving, because they kept running out of room; the more successful they were, the more children were sent to them.

  1. The Chairman: Can I ask you: you said in preparation of your work you had access to the

1100 Manx Museum, for example, in terms of … Were there any records actually available from the
Children’s Centre which were made available to you to assist in the preparation of the work when you were initially engaged by the previous director?

Mrs Sharpe: At the first meeting which I attended with Mr Knight and Mrs Warburton they

1105 gave me a folder and they said, ‘This is all the information that we’ve got.’ It consisted of a
research paper which had been written in 1986 by a Miss D Cringle, entitled ‘The Emigration of Manx Children to Canada 1884-1928’; one black and white photograph, which had been published in an Isle of Man newspaper around 1960, depicting children from the children’s home in Douglas receiving presents from Father Christmas; a recent public report on the

1110 Children’s Centre, detailing their ethos and the services that they offered; a business card
belonging to a former looked after child from the home, who was in his 70s but was happy to be involved in all the Children’s Centre’s projects; and a general outline, which Mrs Warburton gave me, which she had used when giving talks about the history of the Children’s Centre across the Island. That was all the information that I ever received from the Children’s Centre.

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  1. The Chairman: Would you have expected there to be more substantial records?

Mrs Sharpe: No, because Mr Knight informed me that he and Mrs Warburton had given all the records they could find to the Manx Museum. So I went to the Manx Museum and there are

1120 four boxes all clearly labelled ‘Children’s Centre Archives’ – and these are available to the public,
but you have to request them.

The Chairman: That is helpful, thank you.

1125 Q62. The Clerk: Does that include records involving individual names of people who are still

alive?

Mrs Sharpe: Well, at the time when I started my research the information was given to me by the curators at the Museum and this included the main register, which started in 1868 and

1130 which listed names, and then at the back there are some loose pieces of paper and the names
go up to … I have noted this, but I think it is round about 1980. But I do not know whether, since I started my research, the new management at the Children’s Centre have made any arrangements with the Museum. It might be that you have to apply for special permission to access that register; I am not sure.

1135

Q63. The Chairman: So, at the time you were able to go and look at these registers, which went up to … I think you say 1983 in your … In other words, it does include people who are still alive – and what you were able to read about them was what sort of information?

1140 Mrs Sharpe: The only information contained in the register is entry date, exit date, name and

date of birth, and then in the 19th century there were some little notes made about some children – for example, ‘emigrated to Canada’ or a child ‘has been placed as a servant’ in a certain house. But in later years – and I am trying to think off the top of my head … Well,

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definitely from the 1970s onwards, there is no detail about the children other than entry date,

1145 exit date and date of birth.

The Clerk: Right.

  1. The Chairman: One of the witnesses we have spoken to privately said that he wondered

1150 what had happened to personal effects – photographs, that kind of thing; whether they would be retained. There was nothing like that retained in what you saw?

Mrs Sharpe: No. All I obtained from the Children’s Centre was this one folder which I mentioned to you, and the files at the Museum contain register and book-keeping details; that is

1155 it.

  1. The Clerk: So when you talk about files – sorry, but can we just make it absolutely clear for people listening – did you see files on individuals?

1160 Mrs Sharpe: No. When I say ‘files’ – sorry – I mean there are four boxes of information, and I think I detailed in my written evidence what is contained in each box. So there is no detail about individuals, other than name, entry, exit and date of birth.

  1. Ms Edge: Can you just clarify: on the records that you received from the Children’s

1165 Centre – the one file that you received – is that information that was in the public domain at that time, or do you think you have received confidential information from them?

Mrs Sharpe: Let’s see what was in it. The research paper by Miss D Cringle is not the only copy that is available; I think the Family History Society has a copy, probably. And it was an

1170 academic piece of work. I certainly do not see that as a confidential piece of information.

The black and white photograph they gave me had been published in the Isle of Man

newspapers, so that was not confidential.

Their public report is available to the public.

The business card from the former looked after child – he had already expressed the fact that

1175 he would help the Children’s Centre in any way. He still does help them. There was no reason

why they should think they should not give me his details.

And the notes from Mrs Warburton’s talk – she had already given those talks in public.

  1. Ms Edge: Can I ask: has the file gone back to the Children’s Centre, or have you retained

1180 it?

Mrs Sharpe: I have retained that as part of my research material.

  1. Ms Edge: Okay, and that was the agreement at the outset? There was no agreement

1185 that you had to return any of their information?

Mrs Sharpe: No.

Ms Edge: Okay, thanks.

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  1. The Chairman: The Tynwald resolution states that Knottfield closed in 1983. Is that true, that it was in 1983 it closed?

Mrs Sharpe: The residential arm of Knottfield closed in 1983 but Knottfield did not close in

1195 1983. As far as I am concerned –

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Q70. The Chairman: Okay, so for residential.
Mrs Sharpe: – it did not ever close.

1200 Q71. Ms Edge: Did you find any reasons behind why they decided to close the residential arm?

Mrs Sharpe: Well, the official reason given – by Mr Bob Dowty, who was chairman of the committee at the time, and it was the committee who made the decision to close down the

1205 residential arm, and he is quoted in newspapers of the time – is that numbers of children had dwindled and there were only three children left, being looked after by Mr and Mrs Marshall.

I believe the reason why the numbers dwindled was that social workers suspected that sexual abuse was going on and they were purposely not placing children in the home. Yes, there was a move towards fostering during the 1970s as a preferred option. However, I still do believe

1210 that that is the case, having interviewed one of the main social workers from the 1970s, and this social worker was the social worker who the first original child reported child sexual abuse to. He reported it to her prior to going to the Police.

  1. The Chairman: I was called to ask you were any of the social workers still around now,

1215 because we have not spoken to any of them and it might be helpful, if that was what they suspected, to enquire as to why they did not go any further.

Mrs Sharpe: Well, it was not just that it was suspected; the social worker told me she and her colleagues believed the allegations that the children were making and she told me that meetings

1220 went on between the Police, between Social Services, between Knottfield and the social workers. There was a whole official line that they had to follow because there had been an official complaint made to the Police.

She told me that her managers were adamant that social workers had to just carry on as if nothing had happened because Mr Marshall had not been officially charged, but from what she

1225 told me also I do feel that social workers were purposely not placing children there.

  1. The Chairman: Perhaps it would be helpful for the community, I think, if separate to today you might ask this social worker if she will be prepared to talk to us, because I think it would be helpful if we could speak to her. She will have seen our call for evidence, I am sure –

1230

Mrs Sharpe: Yes, she has.

  1. The Chairman: Right, but it would be helpful to us if she does feel able to come and speak to us, I think.

1235 You have said why it closed at the time. What happened to the children who were there at the time?

Mrs Sharpe: The children were fostered by Mr Marshall, and I want to know how that could possibly have happened.

1240 The social worker that I mentioned kept a close eye on the children and she said that one of the children, who had a severe disability and was not able to speak, her behaviour deteriorated quite rapidly. Social workers visited and brought with them anatomical dolls, and the social worker said she was sure that the child was being sexually abused. The child became quite excited when they produced the anatomical dolls but was unable to say anything, and the social

1245 worker told me that she made the decision that that child had to be moved.

  1. Ms Edge: And do you know if that did happen?

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Mrs Sharpe: I do not know because I do not have any access to these records, but I presume that the child must have been moved. But obviously there were other children who had been

1250 fostered by the Marshalls.

Q76. The Chairman: Just for the record, some of the former residents have expressed concern that you may have been given access to their personal information when they have not. That is not the case?

1255

Mrs Sharpe: No.

  1. The Chairman: And I asked about the photographs.

The Children’s Centre told us when you discussed your manuscript with them in 2017 they

1260 did not wish to be associated with it in its current form because of the possible identification and adverse impact on individuals mentioned, their families and others who may suffer emotional distress from some of the content or personal views expressed. Is that how you saw it?

1265 Mrs Sharpe: No, I did not, because the reason I submitted the first draft of the book to them in 2017 was that they had already distanced themselves from me and suddenly there was no response coming back. I decided that I would submit the first draft to them as it was in order for them to see exactly what material we were talking about. It was only for the eyes of Fiona Dawson and Andrew Johnston.

1270 I explained to them clearly it was a first draft and, as such, it contained all possible information which could go into the book. Not all that information would be going into the final version at all; it was a first draft. I used initials appertaining to interviewees in the knowledge that Fiona Dawson and Andrew Johnston probably would know who those individuals were because they worked at the Children’s Centre, but it did not matter – it was for their eyes only;

1275 that was not what was going out to the public at all.

So I found the fact that they were supposedly worried that people were being identified when they did not want to be identified was just not a valid argument. Also, the interviewees I had spoken to – I was surprised, actually, but they all wanted to be named in the book. Every time I interviewed someone I said, ‘You know you don’t have to be identified; we can use initials,

1280 we can use false initials,’ but they all wanted to use their real names.

  1. The Chairman: In the paper you sent us you said you had a conversation with one staff member who told you about staff being told to withdraw their interviews for the book and staff being told to destroy data. Can you tell us more about that?

1285

Mrs Sharpe: Yes, I can. On 6th April 2017, one member of staff I had interviewed for the book e-mailed me saying:

It has recently been brought to my attention that you have requested information in connection to me to support your book The History of the Children’s Centre, working title. I cannot stress strongly enough that I do not and have never given you or anyone else permission to use my name or any information referring to the Children’s Centre. With this in mind, I insist any references are removed.

I was quite surprised to receive that because I knew that Mr Knight had e-mailed all staff at the Children’s Centre and asked them to comply with me if I wanted to interview them and I had

1290 interviewed a vast number of staff in situ at the Children’s Centre. And one of the purposes of
the book was to inform the public what the Children’s Centre did – that was the point. So I was surprised at that.

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Then I received a letter from Mrs Pugh, dated April 2017, saying that she had not realised that the book would include ‘thoughts of former residents and also of other staff’. So she

1295 informed me in the letter that she wanted her interview removed.

I met, by chance, a woman who had acted as a conduit between myself and a former looked after child who was now living in the UK and she asked me if the book was still going ahead. I said yes and she said, ‘Oh, well, I’m surprised because the former child has been phoned up by someone from the Children’s Centre asking them why they gave you an interview and why they

1300 were taking part in this book at all,’ and they had left the former child quite upset about it, but whoever it was who had called from the Children’s Centre had said, ‘It doesn’t matter because the book isn’t going ahead anyway.’ This came as a surprise to me.

I called all of my interviewees to inform them that the book was not going to be published in July 2017 and I spoke to one interviewee who said, ‘Well, we were all asked to withdraw our

1305 interviews from you, but I didn’t withdraw mine,’ he said, ‘because I sought legal advice and I was told that I did not have to do this.’ But he did say, ‘We were all called into a meeting and we were asked to withdraw our interviews.’

  1. Mrs Edge: I am trying to get it clear in my heard because I think I have heard a few

1310 conflicts there in that you have said you did not have individual names but you felt that the Children’s Centre did not want you to go ahead with things because you might have had names. When you have done your research and you have met with staff, no individual names of children who were in there have ever been discussed with you?

1315 Mrs Sharpe: You are talking about staff now that are dealing with children?

  1. Mrs Edge: No, when you have done your interviews with all these people with regard to your book and you have talked about them trying to send an e-mail round saying they do not have to speak to you. You had already spoken to a number of them. Were there ever any names 1320 mentioned?

Mrs Sharpe: Well, for example, when I was interviewing, say, the person who runs Thriving Families, which was a project the Children’s Centre was running – it was an early intervention project – I was talking to that person about how does Thriving Families work and I did ask her if I

1325 could interview someone from Thriving Families so that I would have a real-life example to use in the book to show what a fantastic intervention it is. So, together with the person that runs Thriving Families, I did meet a recipient of Thriving Families and I asked her how she would like to be referred to in the book, and she just said she would be quite happy being referred to by her first name.

1330 But in general I was dealing with the whole history of 150 years. I was not dealing necessarily with individuals, other than people I interviewed personally. So it is not as if I was interviewing staff members and they were reeling off lists of former looked after children or looked after children. That was not the point of the book. The book was about how the history of the Children’s Centre had evolved as an organisation.

1335

  1. Ms Edge: But you did speak to a social worker, who gave you, it sounds like, quite a lot of detail? But hopefully we will get the opportunity to hear that.

Mrs Sharpe: She did give me a lot of detail, yes, but you are in this situation whereby

1340 individuals may be referred to … For example, with this social worker, I am respectful of confidentiality, so anything which has been told to me by an interviewee … I have not spoken with anyone else and I certainly would not put it into a book without express permission of that person.

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All of my interviewees, I feel, trust me. They trusted me. I said to all of them, ‘When I finish

1345 my final draft of the book I will bring the chapter to you that you appear in and I will read you the chapter and then you can tell me whether you’re happy with that, and whether you want to be named or not named – it’s up to you.’

Q82. Ms Edge: When you talked about your first draft, which was solely for the purposes of

1350 the Children’s Centre, you did say there was a lot of extra data in there that would not have been used in your book.

Mrs Sharpe: That is right, yes.

1355 Q83. Ms Edge: So have you retracted that from the Children’s Centre now and you are the only person who holds that?

Mrs Sharpe: Yes. They certainly did not keep it, no; it is in my possession.

1360 Q84. The Chairman: The Children’s Centre said to us in their submission that you told them in June 2017 you had taken legal advice and decided not to go ahead with publishing the book. Do you see that as a correct statement of what you said to them in June 2017?

Mrs Sharpe: On 16th June 2017, I sent an e-mail to Ms Dawson saying:

I have decided not to go ahead with publishing the book at the end of July.

1365 She asked, on 16th June 2017:

Do you intend to publish an alternative version at a later date?

On 23rd June, I replied:

To answer your question, obviously I have researched and collated a lot of material which is of historical interest and I do not want to consign it to the waste bin. However, I have not yet made a decision on how best to present that material.

  1. The Clerk: While you are thinking about it, just another question about the process of commissioning the book. The conviction of the former head of the Knottfield Children’s Home in 1992 was reported in the Manx Independent on 22nd December 1992. Was it in 2013 or 2014

1370 you made contact with John Knight?

Mrs Sharpe: In 2013.

  1. The Clerk: In 2013, so that is some 21 years after the report appeared in the newspaper.

1375 Did John Knight know about the abuse?

Mrs Sharpe: He told me that after he had had his interview in the Isle of Man for the job of CEO and then returned to the UK to wait to hear whether he had got the job or been offered the job, he received an anonymous letter in the post – well, he said it was anonymous but he felt it

1380 was from one of the trustees that had interviewed him – saying, ‘Just so you know what you’re getting into,’ and contained in the envelope was a cutting from the newspaper outlining what had happened to Mr Marshall and how he had been imprisoned. Mr Knight never found out who sent him that.

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1385 Q87. The Clerk: Can you say a bit more about the genesis of the idea of a 150-year

celebration? Was there any particular reason why they felt like doing it that way, by means of having a history book?

Mrs Sharpe: Well, Mr Knight had read a book written by Anna Magnusson called

1390 The Quarriers Story, which is a history of the Quarriers children’s homes in Scotland, and when I
met Mr Knight he said that he had been looking for someone to write a book similar to that about the history of the Children’s Centre because in general people believed the Children’s Centre to just be a nursery on Woodbourne Road; they did not realise that it had this very rich history.

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  1. The Clerk: Does the Scottish book refer to historical abuse at all?

Mrs Sharpe: It does refer to abuse having taken place at the Scottish children’s homes; yes, it does refer to that.

1400

  1. The Clerk: So do you think John Knight knew that one of the possible consequences of commissioning the book was to lift the lid on historical abuse?

Mrs Sharpe: He absolutely knew that, because that was one of the main topics that I brought

1405 up at our monthly meetings. We discussed how would we approach the material from the 1970s
because it would be very sensitive, and we talked a lot about how would people want to be named, could people be identified, what would be the effect on the Children’s Centre of publishing the stories of what happened in the 1970s. John Knight said very clearly the Children’s Centre must be big enough and brave enough to hold up its hands and say, ‘We made

1410 mistakes. We are not the same people working now that we were in the 1970s, but as an
organisation we had responsibility to look after these children and we failed.’ He was always very open about that and very certain that the abuse that happened in the 1970s should definitely be part of the book.

1415 Q90. The Clerk: I think we have had John Knight before this Committee when he was in post,

and I guess we could ask him this question but can you remember anything about his professional background before he was in the Isle of Man?

Mrs Sharpe: Before he joined the Children’s Centre he was working in the north east of

1420 England for an organisation that dealt with children who I think may have been excluded from
school, but I cannot say off the top of my head right now exactly what his job was.

The Clerk: Okay, thanks.

1425 Q91. Ms Edge: Can I just follow up: you said you were not going to be publishing the book in

July 2017, but then afterwards you talked about … that you had broadened the title of the book and you had had a grant from Culture Vannin, from Minister Thomas. So you are still considering publishing something and you have had a grant from Culture Vannin to do that?

1430 Mrs Sharpe: Yes. Obviously the Children’s Centre had withdrawn themselves from the book

entitled The History of the Children’s Centre. It was clear that they no longer wanted to be involved with that book at all, so I had to ask myself do I just put this research aside and let down my interviewees, who were all very adamant that they wanted their stories to be heard, or do I press on and try to get it published in some other way, and the most obvious way seemed

1435 to be to broaden out the remit of the book and make it a general history of looked after children
in the Isle of Man. Although the history of the Children’s Centre would play a big role in that,

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because it was always the main children’s home, through broadening it out I could then go and seek funding for publication from various bodies – for example, Culture Vannin.

1440 Q92. Ms Edge: So can I ask what date you received that grant and do you think it is still appropriate if you have got the role of Children and Families within the Department of Health and Social Care?

Mrs Sharpe: I received the grant just before Christmas 2017 and I have two years to use that

1445 grant. I do not see a conflict because … Why would there be a conflict? The only reason I can see that there would be a conflict would be if I were to use confidential information which I was only party to through being the Member for Children and Families. But I would not do that. I would only continue in the same vein as I have done throughout the rest of the book, which is taking information which is in the public domain.

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Q93. Ms Edge: We will be hearing from the Chief Constable and the Attorney General later this month. Anything you think we should be asking them?

Mrs Sharpe: Yes! I think that the public deserves a better understanding of how the Police

1455 deal with documentation, for example, in relation to child sexual abuse. I know that the 1970s were a different time, but the records appertaining to the allegations which children made in the 1970s, as far as I know, are not in the possession of the Police. I know it was a different time but I think the public deserves an explanation for why those records are not available. The Chief Constable referred in his evidence to the fact that there were records from the 1992 inquiry on

1460 behalf of Isle of Man Constabulary but that the Constabulary routinely destroys material at set periods. I would just like confirmation on how documents are kept now and for how long they are kept.

I would like to know that there has been a thorough investigation into whether there was a paedophile ring in operation on the Isle of Man during the 1970s. Clearly the manager of the

1465 children’s home was sexually abusing the children. We now know that the vicar of St Ninian’s, who the children went to on a Sunday from the children’s home, has been convicted for child abuse. We saw in the Isle of Man newspapers recently that a headmaster at Murray’s Road School … I cannot remember the details, but the newspaper article I read connected the headmaster of Murray’s Road School with child sexual abuse and the children at the Children’s

1470 Centre were sent to Murray’s Road School. So you have got a vicar, you have got a manager of a children’s home and you have got a headmaster: how many other people were involved with abusing children during the 1970s?

We know – well, I know from having spoken to interviewees who were at the children’s home in the 1970s – that children were abused when they went on holiday to the UK under

1475 Mr Marshall, so did this extend out into a UK-wide ring?

I would like to know whether anyone has talked to members of the committee from the 1970s and 1980s and what their explanation was for closing down the residential unit at Knottfield, because for the first time in 114 years they decided not to have a residential unit and it was very soon obvious that there was a need for a residential unit, because that is why it

1480 reopened. But if you look at the newspapers at the time, one of the reasons given was that there was a need for a residential unit because at times parents liked to go on holiday without their children and that is the only reason why the Isle of Man might need a residential unit. It was so obvious – it is obvious now, looking back and reading that in the newspapers from the 1980s – that there was a reluctance to admit that there was a need even for looked after children at the

1485 time and there was a definite sweeping under the carpet of … well, of the whole thing, of the abuse, of … yes.

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  1. The Chairman: Sadly, we will not be able to interview Mr Dowty, but do you have the names of the other people who were on the committee at that time?

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Mrs Sharpe: Not in front of me, although they are available in the records.

The Chairman: Okay, if you have it in your files, if you could forward the other names, then we can obviously look at as well.

1495 What do you think the Committee should recommend to Tynwald?

Mrs Sharpe: I think the Committee should recommend that further investigations need to be made into child sexual abuse of looked after children in the Isle of Man prior to the 1970s and really that this inquiry should stay open further, because I know that there are more people out

1500 there who were abused during the 1970s, who for many reasons have not come forward. But perhaps now that these people have come forward there might be more.

Also, there was abuse occurring, according to my interviewees, after the 1970s in the Isle of Man, not necessarily at the Children’s Centre. But how do all these things connect up? We do not know yet and we do not know, the children who were being abused in the 1980s, whether

1505 their perpetrators were connected to those that were abusing during the 1970s. So I think that there has to be an opportunity for people to come forward pre-1970s as well as 1970s and post-1970s.

I think that there has to be a clear message coming through from Tynwald that Tynwald acknowledges that the Isle of Man Government was responsible for looked after children from

1510 1953 and that, even though we are talking about a different era, the children that were abused deserve at the very least an official apology on behalf of the Isle of Man Government.

I would like to see at statutory level something put in place whereby looked after children can always know that there is someone to talk to within Government, there is someone they can go to in order to access any services they might need, whether it is counselling or whether it is

1515 psychological services, because as adults looked after children continue to carry inside of them that looked after child forever.

My interviewees have told me about the day that they left the children’s home with a carrier bag. That is all they had – all their possessions in a carrier bag – and they went out into the world and they had no one. They knew there was nobody who was going to look out for them,

1520 there was no one who was going to support them in that role of parent for the rest of their lives. That has a huge effect on that person, on how that person develops relationships in the future and on how that person relates to their own children.

I have seen, through my research, that in the Isle of Man we are still looking after the same families that we have been looking after for generations because that cycle has not been

1525 broken, because those children, once they leave care, are not receiving the support that they need in order to go forward into their adult lives.

  1. Ms Edge: I am just interested … Obviously you have stated that you have been elected as an MLC since you have decided to continue with the book. Have you got a date you are

1530 planning to publish that?

Mrs Sharpe: I do not have a date as yet, because I have not been working on the book since I became an MLC, but I will have to find some time over the next two years to complete the book. But the main body of work is there already.

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  1. The Chairman: Anything else you would like to say?

Mrs Sharpe: Yes, there is one thing. In relation to the committee during the 1970s, as I said, I would like, if possible, for members of the committee who are still remaining to be talked to

1540 about whether they suspected that abuse was going on.

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One thing that has always bugged me is in the 1976 annual report Mr Marshall, when talking about how he had moved his sleeping quarters from one of the houses on Woodbourne Road into the other – the other being the house that the children slept in – does refer in the report to:

The unforeseen ban on the use of our attics in Knottfield after nine months has made our own personal accommodation rather less than satisfactory.

So for a while he was banned from using the attic, and the fact that he used the term ‘ban’

1545 and the fact that when you look back he was very open about what he was doing in front of the committee – it was almost like, when you look back, he was parading his behaviour in front of everyone. The fact that he uses the term ‘ban’ suggests to me that someone in authority had told him, ‘You’re not sleeping in the attic anymore,’ because possibly they knew what was going on: they knew that he was abusing children in the attic. I just feel that people knew what was

1550 going on but nothing was ever said and nothing was ever done.

  1. The Clerk: When you say he was parading what he was doing in front of people, what do you mean?

1555 Mrs Sharpe: Well, for example, he was always very profuse in meetings thanking everyone for their support, so whenever he did something which with hindsight was part of his grooming process … For example, he immediately increased wages, increased the children’s pocket money allowance, bought a television, a radio, all kinds of luxury items that managers of the home had never bought before, but he bought them all at once. And he would always say, ‘And thank you

1560 to the committee for supporting me and what I’m doing; thank you to the committee for supporting my decision to move our annual holidays from Butlin’s’ – which had been a very public way of having a holiday with children – ‘to self-catering accommodation.’ He would say, ‘We had a wonderful time in our self-catering accommodation this summer – we were the only people in the building.’ He was very open about –

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  1. The Clerk: So this was in the minutes of the committee meetings?

Mrs Sharpe: Yes, about thanking the committee for being behind the decisions that he was making, which with hindsight I think were part of a whole grooming process. He was always very

1570 public about thanking the committee for their support in allowing him to do these things. For example, when he moved into the attic he profusely thanked them and even when he says that he has had an unforeseen ban on the use of the attic, there were:

other difficulties of a more personal nature

which were caused by his not being able to use the attic –

but the overwhelming feeling I have is one of continued support and confidence, for which I wish to thank you, Mr Chairman and members of the committee.

So, yes, I just feel that he was open in displaying what he was doing, really.

The Chairman: Okay, I think you have come to the end of your contribution for today, anyway. Thank you very much for all the work that you have put into your presentation and for the research, which is obviously going to greatly assist the work of the Committee.

That will bring the public session of the Committee to a close for today. Thank you.

Mrs Sharpe: Thank you.

The Committee sat in private at 12.21 p.m.

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  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • Fresh Start Foundation Scottish not for profit group, helping child sexual abuse victims & survivors  [N]

Links

[1] 2018 May 15 IOM Today Betrayal of Knottfield’s children http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=40498&headline=Betrayal%20of%20Knottfield%E2%80%99s%20children&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2018

[2] 2016 Feb 16 Cathy Fox Blog  Isle of Man: Counselling for Victims / Survivors https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2016/02/16/isle-of-man-counselling-for-victims-survivors/

[3] 2015 May 25 Cathy Fox Blog Child Sexual Abuse in the Isle of Man https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/05/25/child-sexual-abuse-in-the-isle-of-man/

[4] 2016 Feb 15 Cathy Fox Blog IOM Child Sexual Abuse Update Feb 2016 https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2016/02/15/iom-child-sexual-abuse-update-feb-2016/

[5] 2015 May 25  Cathy Fox Blog 10 Steps on How to Research Child Sexual Abuse in your area – A Rough Guide https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/05/25/researching-child-sexual-abuse-in-your-area-a-rough-guide/ Uses IOM as an example

[6] 2017 Oct 13 cathy fox blog Submissions to the Investigation into Knottfield Childrens Home, Isle of Man https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/10/13/submissions-to-the-investigation-into-knottfield-childrens-home-isle-of-man/

[7] 2017 Aug 11 cathy fox blog Isle of Man – Paedophile Paradise for downloading child abuse pictures https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/isle-of-man-paedophile-paradise-for-downloading-child-abuse-pictures/

[8] 2017 Aug 3 Cathy Fox Blog Isle of Man Knottfield Child Sexual Abuse Investigation Aug 2017 https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/08/03/isle-of-man-knottfield-child-sexual-abuse-investigation-aug-2017/

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Let justice be done though the heavens fall – Fiat justitia ruat cælum

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