Operation Spanner -Michael Hames Dirty Squad

According to Michael Hames book Dirty Squad, Operation Spanner was mainly to do with consensual but extremely violent sado masochism. One such act was slicing the penis of another with a scalpel.

Some of those arrested in Operation Spanner had links and were charged with offences related to child sexual abuse.

Ian Donaldson appears to have been in charge of Operation Spanner, although it seems DPP coordinated the Inquiry.

82 potential defendants were interviewed and more contacts could have been followed up.

16 were charged

The average age was 50 and jobs varied from missile designer, lawyer, civil servant, forester, care assistant for mentally disabled, 2 restauranteurs, lay preacher, former fire officer, computer operator, retired finance officer, antiques restorer, tattooist, porter, and former pig breeder.

Acts of sadomasochism occurred in Whitchurch, Pontypridd,  Birmingham, Bolton, Evesham, Cambridge, London.

Men involved

  • Lucas
  • Johnny Atkinson had been violently raped at a childrens home as a boy
  • Colin Lasky previous conviction for buggery on a boy, 5 years sentence charged with indecent photographs of a child
  • Cadman – ice cream vendor access to boys aged 11/12 was his preference
  • Kelly
  • Wilkinson
  • Grindley
  • Lofthouse – Norfolk
  • Christopher Zimmerli – Hampstead, Lawyer for international company
  • Roland Jaggard – missile designer British Aerospace, sadist with blood interest, liked penile mutilations
  • James Phippen
  • Donald Anderson – charged with bestiality

Bulk of charges related to assault or bodily harm.

  • Colin Lasky 5 years
  • Forester and care worker 3 and half years
  • computer operator and ice cream vendor involved with children, 4 and half years
  • missile engineer and lay preacher 3 years
  • finance officer 33 months
  • pig breeder a year
  • 4 suspended sentences
  • one fine
  • one probation
  • one conditional discharge

See also Times Law Report on European Court of Human Rights Appeal Laskey, Jaggard and Brown v UK ECHR Times Law Report (Operation Spanner) [3]

See also Operation Greenlight Operation Spanner [4] Cadman, Lofthouse, Zimmerli and Lasky

Here is the Mike Hames Chapter on Operation Spanner  The Dirty Squad [1]

Index of Newspaper and Journal articles on this blog [1]

Index of Court Appeals on this blog [2]

1989 Oct 10 Glasgow Herald Fifteen charged after Operation Spanner [3]

1992 Feb 21 Times Law Reports  Brown, Laskey, Jaggard, Lucas, Carter, Cadman – Court of Appeal (Spanner) [6]

1993 Mar 12 Times Law Reports Brown, Lucas, Jaggard, Laskey, Carter – House of Lords (Spanner) [7]

1997 Feb 20 Times Law Report Laskey, Jaggard and Brown v UK ECHR (Operation Spanner) [4]

1997 Times Law Report Laskey, Jaggard and Brown v UK – EHCR (Spanner) [5]

all related to this post  2017 Mar 24 Cathy Fox Blog 2000 Apr 6  Michael Hames The Dirty Squad   [8]

Please note that victims of abuse may be triggered by reading this information. These links are generally UK based.

  • The Sanctuary for the Abused [A] has advice on how to prevent triggers.
  • National Association for People Abused in Childhood [B] has a freephone helpline and has links to local support groups.
  • One in Four [C]
  • Havoca [D].
  • Useful post on Triggers [E]  from SurvivorsJustice [F] blog.
  • Jim Hoppers pages on Mindfulness [G]  and Meditation [H] may be useful.
  • Hwaairfan blog An Indigenous Australian Approach to Healing Trauma  [J]
  • Survivors UK for victims and survivors of male rape or the sexual abuse of men [K]
  • Voicing CSA group [L] helps arrange survivors meetings in your area
  • A Prescription for me blog Various emotional support links [M]
  • ShatterBoys -“Male Survivors Of Childhood Sexual Abuse Inspiring change, Through Shared Experience Whilst Building Connections…Together We Can Heal” [N]

 

Links

[1] 2000 Apr 6  Michael Hames The Dirty Squad   https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/cka/Dirty-Squad-Michael-Hames/0316853216/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1490120494&sr=8-3&keywords=Michael+hames

[2] 2017 Mar 8 Cathy Fox Blog Heroes for Exposing Child Sexual Abuse – Part 1 – Peter McKelvie https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/heroes-for-exposing-child-sexual-abuse-part-1-peter-mckelvie/

[3] 2017 Mar 24 Cathy fox Blog Laskey, Jaggard and Brown v UK ECHR Times Law Report (Operation Spanner) https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/laskey-jaggard-and-brown-v-uk-echr-times-law-report-operation-spanner/

[4] Operation Greenlight Operation Spanner https://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/0FE31538-2121-8495-33A5-86073BE95DE1/thought/918#-10156

[3]  2017 Mar 25 Cathy Fox Blog 1989 Oct 10 Glasgow Herald Fifteen charged after Operation Spanner https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/03/25/glasgow-herald-10-oct-1989-fifteen-charged-after-operation-spanner/

[4] 2017 Mar 24 Cathy Fox Blog Laskey, Jaggard and Brown v UK ECHR Times Law Report 1997 Feb 20 (Operation Spanner) https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/laskey-jaggard-and-brown-v-uk-echr-times-law-report-operation-spanner/

[5] 2017 Mar 24 Cathy Fox Blog Laskey, Jaggard and Brown v UK – Times Law Report 1997 EHCR (Spanner) https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/03/25/laskey-jaggard-and-brown-v-uk-times-law-report-1997-ehcr-spanner/

[6] 2017 Mar 24 Cathy Fox Blog Brown, Laskey, Jaggard, Lucas, Carter, Cadman 21 February 1992 Times Law Reports Court of Appeal (Spanner) https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/03/25/brown-laskey-jaggard-lucas-carter-cadman-21-february-1992-times-law-reports-court-of-appeal-spanner/

[7] 2017 Mar 24 Cathy Fox Blog Brown, Lucas, Jaggard, Laskey, Carter 12 March 1993 Times Law Reports House of Lords (Spanner) https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2017/03/25/brown-lucas-jaggard-laskey-carter-12-march-1993-times-law-reports-house-of-lords/

[8] 2017 Mar 24 Cathy Fox Blog 2000 Apr 6  Michael Hames The Dirty Squad   https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/cka/Dirty-Squad-Michael-Hames/0316853216/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1490120494&sr=8-3&keywords=Michael+hames

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  2. grimstock says:

    The laws of God, the laws of man,
    He may keep that will and can;
    Not I: let God and man decree
    Laws for themselves and not for me;
    And if my ways are not as theirs
    Let them mind their own affairs.
    Their deeds I judge and much condemn,
    Yet when did I make laws for them?
    Please yourselves, say I, and they
    Need only look the other way.
    (A.E. Housman, Last Poems, XII)

    • grimstock says:

      Flagellation
      Peter J. Bräunlein
      Flagellation is the act of whipping the human body by using flexible instruments such as the whip, the scourge, or cat-o’-nine-tails. Flagellation can be located in the context of law, religion, medicine, or sexual excitation. In many cases the juridical and religious aspects are indivisible, whereas sexual arousal by (self-) flagellation is a distinguished phenomenon of Western modernity. In two monotheistic traditions—Roman Catholicism and Shia Islam—self-flagellation plays a role until today.
      Read more: (PDF download)
      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=26&ved=2ahUKEwiaws2R2PzfAhWJUhUIHbn8A98QFjAZegQIBxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-goettingen.de%2Fde%2Fdocument%2Fdownload%2F57e552455e46c4ba433de82fafaa18a6.pdf%2FABC-Clio-Flagellation.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2nxXMM4-olG6B8Y7HyK6Lp

    • grimstock says:

      The Connection between Pain and Pleasure.
      Pain and Pleasure
      Murat Aydede
      Department of Philosophy
      University of British Columbia

      If you look at anybody’s typical list of emotions, you won’t see pains and pleasures among
      them. Indeed, even among the atypical emotions that people working on emotions
      regularly cite, pains and pleasures show up only rarely. And yet, very few people will fail
      to acknowledge the critical, or perhaps the essential, role pains and pleasures play in our
      emotional lives. This chapter will explain the sense in which pains and pleasures are elementary forms of emotions.Let’s first distinguish pain and pleasure experiences, properly so-called, from their sources—typically, the physical objects, events, activities,etc., that cause such experiences. Smelling a rose is a pleasure, getting pricked by a rose bush thorn a pain —it is said. But it is primarily the experiences generated by these events that are said to be pleasant or painful. These experiences are mental events or episodes caused by various physical stimuli. It is harmless, in fact sometimes quite appropriate, to extend the terms to refer to such stimuli in most ordinary contexts as causes of such experiences. But here we will focus on pains and pleasures as experiences. As experiences, they are presumed to be conscious mental episodes.
      Read more: (PDF download)
      http://faculty.arts.ubc.ca/maydede/Pain%20and%20Pleasure.pdf

    • grimstock says:

      The Pleasure of Pain
      Find out why one in 10of us is into S&M.
      By Marianne Apostolides, published September 1, 1999

      Bind my ankles with your white cotton rope so I cannot walk. Bind my wrists so I cannot push you away. Place me on the bed and wrap your rope tighter around my skin so it grips my flesh. Now I know that struggle is useless, that I must lie here and submit to your mouth and tongue and teeth, your hands and words and whims. I exist only as your object. Exposed.
      Of every 10 people who reads these words, one or more has experimented with sadomasochism (S & M), which is most popular among educated, middle- and upper-middle-class men and women, according to psychologists and ethnographers who have studied the phenomenon. Charles Moser, Ph.D., M.D., of the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco, has researched S & M to learn the motivation behind it–to understand why in the world people would ask to be bound, whipped and flogged. The reasons are as surprising as they are varied.
      For James, the desire became apparent when he was a child playing war games–he always hoped to be captured. “I was frightened that I was sick,” he says. But now, he adds, as a well-seasoned player on the scene, “I thank the leather gods I found this community.”
      At first the scene found him. When he was at a party in college, a professor chose him. She brought him home and tied him up, told him how bad he was for having these desires, even as she fulfilled them. For the first time he felt what he had only imagined, what he had read about in every S & M book he could find.
      James, a father and manager, has a Type A personality–in-control, hard-working, intelligent, demanding. His intensity is evident on his face, in his posture, in his voice. But when he plays, his eyes drift and a peaceful energy flows through him as though he had injected heroin. With each addition of pain or restraint, he stiffens slightly, then falls into a deeper calm, a deeper peace, waiting to obey his mistress. “Some people have to be tied up to be free,” he says.
      As James’ experience illustrates, sadomasochism involves a highly unbalanced power relationship established through role-playing, bondage, and/or the infliction of pain. The essential component is not the pain or bondage itself, but rather the knowledge that one person has complete control over the other, deciding what that person will hear, do, taste, touch, smell and feel. We hear about men pretending to be little girls, women being bound in a leather corset, people screaming in pain with each strike of a flogger or drip of hot wax. We hear about it because it is happening in bedrooms and dungeons across the country.
      article continues after advertisement
      For over a century, people who engaged in bondage, beatings and humiliation for sexual pleasure were considered mentally ill. But in the 1980s, the American Psychiatric Association removed S & M as a category in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. This decision–like the decision to remove homosexuality as a category in 1973–was a big step toward the societal acceptance of people whose sexual desires aren’t traditional, or vanilla, as it’s called in S & M circles.
      What’s new is that such desires are increasingly being considered normal, even healthy, as experts begin to recognize their potential psychological value. S & M, they are beginning to understand, offers a release of sexual and emotional energy that some people cannot get from traditional sex. “The satisfaction gained from S & M is something far more than sex,” explains Roy Baumeister, Ph.D., a social psychologist at Case Western Reserve University. “It can be a total emotional release.”
      Although people report that they have better-than-usual sex immediately after a scene, the goal of S & M itself is not intercourse: “A good scene doesn’t end in orgasm, it ends in catharsis.”
      S & M: No Longer A Pathology
      “If children at [an] early age witness sexual intercourse between adults… they inevitably regard the sexual act as a sort of ill-treatment or act of subjugation: they view it, that is, in a sadistic sense.”
      –Sigmund Freud, 1905
      Freud was one of the first to discuss S & M on a psychological level. During the 20 years he explored the topic, his theories crossed each other to create a maze of contradictions. But he maintained one constant: S & M was pathological.
      People become masochistic, Freud said, as a way of regulating their desire to sexually dominate others. The desire to submit, on the other hand, he said, arises from guilt feelings over the desire to dominate. He also argued that the desire for S & M can arise on its own when a man wants to assume the passive female role, with bondage and beating signifying being “castrated or copulated with, or giving birth.”
      The view that S & M is pathological has been dismissed by the psychological community. Sexual sadism is a real problem, but it is a different phenomenon from S & M. Luc Granger, Ph.D., head of the department of psychology at the University of Montreal, created an intensive treatment program for sexual aggressors in La Macaza Prison in Quebec; he has also conducted research on the S & M community. “They are very separate populations,” he says. While S & M is the regulated exchange of power among consensual participants, sexual sadism is the derivation of pleasure from either inflicting pain or completely controlling an unwilling person.
      Read more:
      https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/articles/199909/the-pleasure-pain

    • grimstock says:

      Although most SMers are somewhat flexible in which role they play in any scene, it is not uncommon for those who are used to taking orders in real life to seek the dominant role; whilst those who have some form of power within their occupation or lifestyle often seek the submissive role during play.

    • grimstock says:

      Health, Safety and Enjoyment! – A Few Tips and Necessary Safety Measures for the BDSM beginner.
      https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1063056528&postcount=360

    • grimstock says:

      NEW TO BDSM AND WANT TO LEARN MORE?
      Find a suitable BDSM workshop that is near to you.
      https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=bdsm+worksops+for+beginners&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

      • grimstock says:

        However, these are really not ideal for the majority, who may be seeking a more private and intimate exploration into BDSM, and without all the bright lights and giggling strangers who may not be sure what they themselves are looking for. Personally, I always find “professional services” to be a turn-off, as it makes the whole thing commercialised.
        Heavy SM is not everyone’s cup of tea, and most SMers are more into the lighter side of play.

  3. grimstock says:

    Why Sado-Masochism Should Not Be Criminalised
    Chris R. Tame
    Libertarian Alliance (1994)
    http://www2.libertarian.co.uk/sites/default/lanotepdf/legan020.pdf

  4. grimstock says:

    “Lasting Marks”
    Rainbow Europe ranks the United Kingdom as the fourth best country in Europe for LGBTQ rights, but things haven’t always been this good. Over 50 years have passed since sex between two men was decriminalized in England and Wales, but systemic homophobia in British legislation didn’t vanish overnight.
    In his latest documentary short, Lasting Marks, director Charlie Lyne revisits an all-too-recent chapter in LGBTQ history, in which consensual BDSM lovers were humiliated and jailed in the final days of Thatcher’s Britain.
    https://www.intomore.com/culture/lasting-marks-revisits-operation-spanner-and-the-institutionalized-homophobia-of-thatchers-britain-in-the-late-80s

    • grimstock says:

      “The story of sixteen men put on trial for sadomasochism in the dying days of Thatcher’s Britain was told by the police, the prosecution and the tabloid press — but not by those in the dock” – Charlie Lyne
      http://charlielyne.com/.
      Control of the narrative is essential to deceit.

      • grimstock says:

        However, the Spanner case – regardless of whether told by the police or the incarcerated victims, was only the cover story/alibi for the whole operation.

      • grimstock says:

        Nevertheless, a good basic start on Operation Spanner. In order to assimilate the truth, it is absolutely necessary to begin by realising when you have been lied to.

    • grimstock says:

      I shall comment on this documentary here once it has been made available.

    • grimstock says:

      An admirable and long-overdue focus on the many extreme and unnecessary injustices, misrepresentations and living nightmares the spannermen had been subjected to as narrated by “Spannerman” and living legend Roland Jaggard.
      A very welcome departure from the usual “official” false explanatory narratives.

    • grimstock says:

      “LASTING MARKS” – A BFI award-winning and ingenious short documentary film by Charlie Lyne exposing the humiliation and prosecution of the Spannermen of the 1980’s as narrated by one of those men, Roland Jaggard.
      The official narrative of the Spanner case is deconstrued through inspection of original documents.

  5. grimstock says:

    Charlie Lyne on Lasting Marks winning Short Film Award at London Film Festival

  6. grimstock says:

    SPANNERMAN :
    One of the few remaining defendants of Operation Spanner.
    https://news.bme.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pubring/people/A10101/spanner/index.html

  7. grimstock says:

    Operation Spanner was a multifaceted embarkation on behalf of the Crown involving many crown agencies and numerous agendas and purposes, many of which will possibly never be known; and personally I can only hope to explore and expand a mere glimpse into those driving forces and the various directions the operation had both taken and led to.
    The whole truth regarding Operation Spanner may possibly never be known.
    However, since the beginning, we are now aware of many surprising aspects of the operation that were previously beyond both my knowledge and my expectations. In order to grasp the various aspects of the operation, it must be understood that the operation was a six year long satanic ritual.

  8. grimstock says:

    If anyone has any questions for me alone, then please use the reply button underneath my comment, or for general sharing please use the “leave a reply” box at bottom of page.

  9. grimstock says:

    “The Dirty Squad – Operation Spanner” is only a partly-fictional fabricated story about a fabricated case as a cover for the actual horrific operation that had been undertaken. Nothing more.

  10. grimstock says:

    “Everywhere I go I see evidence of people swirling around in the cesspool of their own making. Why do homosexuals freely engage in sodomy and other obnoxious sexual practices knowing the dangers involved?” – James Anderton, 1986 (Manchester Police Chief)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anderton#Views_on_morality
    The DIRTY? Squad
    “With prostate cancer rates continuing to climb, we are forced to face sexual taboos. Men and woman can learn prostrate health practices so the man does not end up on the surgeons table and have to face cruel radiation therapy and the even the worse chemotherapy. It is time to stop being squeamish about the prostate sexual gland and its access canal the anus.
    Why do you think there is a taboo around prostate massage?
    There are strong taboos around prostate massage because there are incredibly strong taboos against anal sex. It was just too much for our early religious leaders to see everything about the human body being God endowed and thus a source of pleasure and sexual health. Some part of the body had to be considered dirty when in fact nothing is dirty with God except sexual violence.
    Sex to the early Americans was in the domain of the Devil so you can imagine how that legacy carries on as a taboo against anything and everything anal. Even desire was considered impure and corrupting by many people in the past. The Puritans took God’s rules about sex to an extreme; including forbidding most sexual activities between husbands and wives. It was actually forbidden for sex to be enjoyable. They considered the enjoyment of sex to be a sinful expression of lust, even amongst married couples.
    Every part of the body enjoys therapeutic touch. Sexual touch is an intense extension of therapeutic touch meaning frequent sex is healthy. Because sex itself is a health promoting activity sexual aids that bring more pleasure, ease and intensity to the sexual act should be thought of as helpful. There are many frontiers for couples to explore with their sexualities. Going deep into the art of pleasure is evolutionary for our personalities and souls but with prostate massage, we are actually dealing with medicine and the health of the prostate and the avoidance of prostate cancer.
    https://drsircus.com/general/breaking-prostrate-taboos/

  11. grimstock says:

    The two murders mentioned on page 163 may well have been two of the “early deaths” statistics of the operation:
    https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1063052988&postcount=326

    • grimstock says:

      It would certainly require a special breed of detective in order to ascertain what a dying man had said or had not said with their final breath.

  12. grimstock says:

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

  13. grimstock says:

    Legislation guidance now overrules Spanner Case ruling, and all acts of BDSM are once more pefectly legal provided no serious injury is caused/ participants are over 18 and consenting.
    https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/obscene-publications
    However, although this may take the heat and the interest off the Spanner Case for the time being, it does not alter the facts of the Operation.

    • grimstock says:

      Except for the fact there is a “get out” clause that states that actual bodily harm as in the Spanner case is still outlawed. So nothing really has changed at all, since “actual bodily harm” is still a questionable factor.
      (Quote)
      “Where a person consents to an activity, as a matter of law such consent will not amount to a defence to assault occasioning actual bodily harm or worse: R v Brown and others [1994] 1 AC 212. Accordingly, publications which show or depict the infliction of serious harm may be considered to be obscene publications because they show criminal assault notwithstanding the consent of the victim. This includes dismemberment and graphic mutilation. It includes asphyxiation causing unconsciousness, which is more than transient and trifling, and given its danger is serious.
      Harm should be assessed applying contemporary social standards. It need not be permanent, long-lasting, dangerous or mean that the victim requires treatment. Regard must be had to the effect upon, and circumstances of, the victim.”
      So actually it does not overrule the case at all. My apologies!

  14. grimstock says:

    The Spanner Investigation had followed an “inquiry” into adverts in gay magazines.
    “It is understood the investigation, one of the largest by the obscene
    publications squad, was launched following an inquiry into advertisements
    in homosexual magazines.”
    https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/11924223.obscenity-inquiry-leads-to-16-arrests/

  15. grimstock says:

    If consent is no defence to a charge of assault, then neither may it constitute an offence for the same act(s). If consent is deemed to be invalid, then the victim of assault cannot be guilty of “aiding and abetting assault upon the self”.
    Without any valid consent, one may only endure an assault and cannot “aid and abet” in any way.
    Consent is either of relevance or not, in my opinion.
    _______________________________________________
    By careful police misrepresentaiton of a few hours of specially and carefully edited video tape, involving removal of all indications of consensual sexual acts, the police had presented a distorted image of the acts before the court, claiming that the acts were acts of violence, rather than consensual SM, and thus enabling criminal assault charges to be brought successfully, and completely out of context from what had originally been depicted in the videos.
    See under “Sex and Violence” section,
    Sadomasochism: Powerful Pleasures
    edited by Peggy J. Kleinplatz, Charles Mose
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AYvFBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT144&lpg=PT144&dq=operation+spanner&source=bl&ots=tOLMH7ZlBt&sig=ACfU3U1_H890OnHKjJWpeBZtjCRMf6ozrA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiZ7-qmxZHhAhWxRxUIHVejCNI4PBDoATABegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=operation%20spanner&f=false

  16. grimstock says:

    The “nationwide ring” of 82 potential defendants (Page 165) had included Alan Oversby (aka Mr. Sebastian) who was given a conditional discharge = 81 (9×9 = 3x3x3x3), 66 of whom were composed of the ID’s of deceased “suicide” victims, leaving 15 spannermen to be sentenced. None of the 66 were connected or knew any spannermen at all. The 16 raids (650+16=666 total raids), with 15 sentenced, and 9 incarcerations (of any arrested) totalling 369 months total had been decided prior to 1983. The court was merely fulfilling their obligations to the crown through the jailings (as part of a lock/seal/curse upon the gay men, in my opinion:
    https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1063061261&postcount=402
    https://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1063061259&postcount=401

    • grimstock says:

      Correction: – 1 of the 66 canonical “suicide” victims (who died within a few months of; and who had been present with his car at the address in Harford, Dyfed, during the covert intrusion by Bryn Alyn security in the early hours sometime in early December 1983;) knew Mr. Anderson, but not the other Spannermen.

  17. grimstock says:

    The Spannermen were mostly genuinely unaware their activities were illegal:

    “Incredible as it may seem to those who have grown up post-Spanner, there was a once-upon-a-time golden age when the prevailing assumption was that pain, inflicted consensually and in pursuit of mutually satisfying erotic outcomes was permissible. That was not an unreasonable point of view. After all, you could – you may still – beat an opponent senseless in a boxing ring and, providing all is done in accordance with the rules, and consensually, there is no problem.”

    “And that is exactly what 16 gay men did when, in December 1990, the courts handed down sentences ranging from fines to up to four and a half years in prison apiece. Some later had their sentences reduced on appeal: but this was a one-off discount, based on the fact that for the most part, participants were genuinely unaware that their actions were illegal. We have been warned, and should expect little leniency in future.”
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/12/government-finally-ready-legalise-bdsm
    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/im-not-a-sadistic-person-i-dont-do-serious-harm-1358133.html

    30. In Johnson v. Youden [1950] 1 K.B. 544, Lord Goddard C.J. said: “Before a person can be convicted of aiding and abetting the commission of an offence he must at least know the essential matters which constitute the principal offence.” This statement of principle was subsequently approved by the House of Lords in two cases: Churchill [1967] 2 A.C. 224 and Maxwell [1978] 1 WLR 1350.
    http://www.mondaq.com/uk/x/136506/Crime/Secondary+Liability+In+The+Criminal+Law

    • grimstock says:

      So leniency under acts of aiding and abetting should have perhaps been applied by the police or the courts PRIOR to conviction. I believe the courts may also have misunderstood the actions involved in these well-prepared acts of S/M; as they are uniquely different to “recognised” acts of violence due to the agreements and authorisations made by all parties in these “joint ventures” prior to enactment in my opinion – and to which I am therefore led to believe that both men participating were equally both victims and perpetrators, and perhaps may therefore have been eligible for such leniency as merely aiding and abetting each other during genuinely unrecognised offences.

  18. grimstock says:

    Consensual S/M sessions are merely re-enactments of previously imagined assaults, and in my opinion should therefore never be prosecuted as assaults – (they are no different to a filmmaker re-enacting a victimless crime on film).

    • grimstock says:

      They may be more or less lifelike according to personal choice, but the realness of the interaction is dependent upon the level of fantasy and imagination afforded it without actually becoming a reality in any sense; – and very much as with a recreation of a crime on film as it affects the viewer, but with the added sensuality of physical involvement to a pre-determined level.

    • grimstock says:

      Even on Crimewatch UK, scenes of breaking and entering, murder, and assaults have often been recreated to a greater or lesser degree of realness. So it is with S/M, where the agreed levels of reality have also been decided prior to the enactment. It is merely theatre that allows an otherwise unattainable experience to take place in safety.

  19. grimstock says:

    Goodness me! The book is not true. – “Operation Spanner was a police investigation into same-sex male sadomasochism across the United Kingdom in the late 1980s.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner
    I’ll give that 5/10
    Perhaps they have forgotten about the first part?

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